Re: [SC-L] Disclosure: vulnerability pimps? or super heroes?

2007-03-06 Thread Steven M. Christey
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Kenneth Van Wyk wrote: > While a simple strcpy-->strncpy (or similar) src edit takes just > moments, and shouldn't impact the functionality and reliability of any > software, patches are rarely that simple. Agreed, but this needs to change. The threat environment has provabl

Re: [SC-L] Disclosure: vulnerability pimps? or super heroes?

2007-03-06 Thread Blue Boar
Kenneth Van Wyk wrote: > So, I applaud the public disclosure model from the standpoint of > consumer advocacy. But, I'm convinced that we need to find a process > that better balances the needs of the consumer against the secure > software engineering needs. Some patches can't reasonably be produ

[SC-L] Economics of Software Vulnerabilities

2007-03-06 Thread Ed Reed
For a long time I thought that software product liability would eventually be forced onto developers in response to their long-term failure to take responsibility for their shoddy code. I was mistaken. The pool of producers (i.e., the software industry) is probably too small for such blunt econom

Re: [SC-L] Disclosure: vulnerability pimps? or super heroes?

2007-03-06 Thread Kenneth Van Wyk
On Mar 5, 2007, at 9:30 PM, Gary McGraw wrote: I think some vendors have come around to the economics argument. In every case, those vendors with extreme reputation exposure have attempted to move past penetrate and patch. Microsoft, for one, is trying hard, but (to use my broken leg analog

Re: [SC-L] Disclosure: vulnerability pimps? or super heroes?

2007-03-06 Thread Gary McGraw
Right. And while you're calculating costs, don't forget to factor in the costs of all of the opiates that the McGraw automaton is now faced with eating as he wiles away his "patching time" on the orange chair. The break was severe indeed. I think some vendors have come around to the economic