Re: [SC-L] Economics of Software Vulnerabilities

2007-03-13 Thread Gary McGraw
In my opinion, though fuzz testing is certainly a useful technique (we've used it in hardware verification for years), any certification based solely on fuzz testing for security would be ludicrous. Fuzz testing is not a silver bullet. The biggest stumbling block for software certification is

Re: [SC-L] Economics of Software Vulnerabilities

2007-03-13 Thread Gary McGraw
Hi crispy, I'm not sure vista is bombing because of good quality. That certainly would be ironic. Word on the way down in the guts street is that vista is too many things cobbled together into one big kinda functioning mess. My bet is that Vista SP2 will be a completely different beast.

Re: [SC-L] Economics of Software Vulnerabilities

2007-03-13 Thread Gadi Evron
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Gary McGraw wrote: In my opinion, though fuzz testing is certainly a useful technique (we've used it in hardware verification for years), any certification based solely on fuzz testing for security would be ludicrous. Fuzz testing is not a silver bullet. Fuzzing is

Re: [SC-L] Darkreading: compliance

2007-03-13 Thread Bruce Ediger
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, somebody wrote (attribution isn't clear to me): no. my feeling is that it focuses management on unimportant things like meeting checkpoints rather then actually doing useful things. I heartily agree. Compliance almost always becomes (in the worst sense of the word) a

Re: [SC-L] Information Protection Policies

2007-03-13 Thread Kenneth Van Wyk
On Mar 9, 2007, at 5:27 PM, McGovern, James F ((HTSC, IT)) wrote: Ken, in terms of a previous response to your posting in terms of getting customers to ask for secure coding practices from vendors, wouldn't it start with figuring out how they could simply cut-and- paste InfoSec policies into

Re: [SC-L] Darkreading: compliance

2007-03-13 Thread Gary McGraw
Once again i'll ask. Which vertical is the kind of company where you're seeing this awful behavior in? BTW, sammy migues agrees with you in a thread we're having on the justice league blog www.cigital.com/justiceleague (look under SOX). gem company www.cigital.com podcast

Re: [SC-L] Information Protection Policies

2007-03-13 Thread Gary McGraw
There is a text box in Software Security about this with some language I copied (with permission) from jack danahy of ounce labs. www.swsec.com gem company www.cigital.com podcast www.cigital.com/silverbullet blog www.cigital.com/justiceleague book www.swsec.com -Original Message-

Re: [SC-L] Darkreading: compliance

2007-03-13 Thread Michael Silk
On 3/14/07, Gary McGraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again i'll ask. Which vertical is the kind of company where you're seeing this awful behavior in? well, fwiw, i've noticed it in finance/investment, and the entertainment industries. but i honestly don't think the industry type makes a