Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content)

2004-07-08 Thread der Mouse
I see both of you willing to mandate the teaching of C and yet not mandate the teaching of any of Ada, Pascal, PL/I etc. This seems like the teaching of making do. And is not making do an important skill? More seriously, as long as Unix variants maintain their position of importance

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content)

2004-07-08 Thread Julie JCH Ryan, D.Sc.
Another perspective on the education problem, keeping in mind that this is a global issue (as most are): How Professor Hawking computes Posted June 10, 2004 in ALS News http://www.rideforlife.com/archives/001014.html Copyright 2003: Indian Express Group (Mumbai, India). . extract

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content)

2004-07-08 Thread James Walden
ljknews wrote: What is wrong with this picture ? I see both of you willing to mandate the teaching of C and yet not mandate the teaching of any of Ada, Pascal, PL/I etc. This seems like the teaching of making do. You read more into my post than I wrote, as I did not mandate that the students

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content)

2004-07-08 Thread Dana Epp
What is wrong with this picture ? I see both of you willing to mandate the teaching of C and yet not mandate the teaching of any of Ada, Pascal, PL/I etc. This seems like the teaching of making do. Hmmm, interesting point. In a particular set of learning objectives required to complete a

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- plus safety, reliability and availability

2004-07-08 Thread Jim Mary Ronback
Dana Epp wrote: I think they should be taught the powers and failures of C. Your course sounds enticing. I'm tempted to sign up for it. Your course should also make a clear distinction between security, safety, reliability and availability. One can write secure code that is not safe and

RE: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content)

2004-07-08 Thread Peter Amey
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Crispin Cowan Sent: 07 July 2004 23:29 To: ljknews Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content) ljknews wrote: What is

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content)

2004-07-08 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
En un mensaje anterior, ljknews escribió: At 1:56 PM -0700 7/7/04, Dana Epp wrote: I don't pick C for C's sake. I choose C because ON AVERAGE, most students will be exposed to C more than the languages you suggest. Especially in the majority on industries hiring students out of university.

RE: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content)

2004-07-08 Thread Peter Amey
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of der Mouse Sent: 08 July 2004 03:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content) I see both of you willing to mandate the

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- plus safety, reliability and availability

2004-07-08 Thread Gary McGraw
Les's C subset is good to consider. Also look into cyclone (cornell) and cquel. gem -Original Message- From: Jim Mary Ronback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu Jul 08 08:30:30 2004 To: Dana Epp Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [SC-L] Education and security --

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content)

2004-07-08 Thread Blue Boar
Jose Nazario wrote: rather than talking in a vacuum, make sure you've read the latest ACM/IEEE-CS curriculum guidelines: http://www.acm.org/education/curricula.html http://sites.computer.org/ccse/ Hrm. I checked both pages, and searched for secur, and got nothing. I didn't click

Re: [SC-L] Education and security -- another perspective (was ACM Queue - Content)

2004-07-08 Thread Blue Boar
Fernando Schapachnik wrote: I smell a discusion going nowhere. What is the point of teaching a languague? Teach them to program in a paradigm (better, in all of them, and give them the tools to make educated choices about which is better for each context), and choose any language as an *example*