Re: [SC-L] Some Interesting Topics arising from the SANS/CWE Top 25

2009-01-15 Thread Ivan Ristic
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Brian Chess br...@fortify.com wrote: ... There's a lot to say about input validation. Jacob West and I wrote devoted a full chapter to it in Secure Programming with Static Analysis (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0321424778), but we found that the material refused

Re: [SC-L] SANS Institute - CWE/SANS TOP 25 Most Dangerous Programming Errors

2009-01-15 Thread Stephen de Vries
On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:26 AM, Gary McGraw wrote: Brian Chess, Sammy Migues and I continue to pound out the software assurance maturity model. Expect more on that soon. Working with a large real-world data set has really been amazing. For those of you just getting wind of this, see:

[SC-L] SANS List etc..

2009-01-15 Thread Shouvik Bardhan
Guys, I am new to the App Security area so Stupid Comments Alert firstly. Many thanks for the insights that I get from the discussions on this board. I have been doing design/development for nearly 25 years now and it is interesting and frightening, how I hardly ever actively think (thought)

Re: [SC-L] SANS List etc..

2009-01-15 Thread Gary McGraw
Welcome Shouvik, I'll address your third point. I am ALL FOR teaching software security at the university level (and have been actively working with universities for over a decade). I just don't think it is realistic to try to push the problem off on universities and hope that they will

Re: [SC-L] Some Interesting Topics arising from the SANS/CWE Top 25

2009-01-15 Thread Joe Teff
We are still struggling on simple definitions. I frequently hear names like lack of input filtering and csrf referred to as vulnerabilities when in reality one is an attack vector and the other an attack. You (correctly in my opinion) refer to input validation and encoding as countermeasures.

Re: [SC-L] SANS List etc..

2009-01-15 Thread Gary McGraw
Dr. Bishop, I bow to you. sc-l cohorts, don't forget that Matt was a Silver Bullet victim pretty recently. Listen here: http://www.cigital.com/silverbullet/show-031/ gem company www.cigital.com podcast www.cigital.com/silverbullet blog www.cigital.com/justiceleague book www.swsec.com On

Re: [SC-L] Contents of SC-L digest..

2009-01-15 Thread Jason Grembi
I just wanted to chime in with my two cents on the top N list. I have witnessed (and developed) secure programs that were built to defend attacks identified in secure requirements (i.e. data validation and data transformation) But the one vulnerability that keeps popping up is weak

Re: [SC-L] SANS List etc..

2009-01-15 Thread Matt Bishop
As an academic who does teach this stuff whenever they let me in a classroom ... I'll address your third point. I am ALL FOR teaching software security at the university level (and have been actively working with universities for over a decade). I just don't think it is realistic to

Re: [SC-L] SANS Institute - CWE/SANS TOP 25 Most Dangerous Programming Errors

2009-01-15 Thread Pravir Chandra
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Stephen de Vries step...@twisteddelight.org wrote: Interesting articles, and they really whet the appetite for more of your maturity model. Can we expect a public/open release? Since you made mention of the maturity model, I'll toss in my shameless plug for

Re: [SC-L] SANS Institute - CWE/SANS TOP 25 Most Dangerous Programming Errors

2009-01-15 Thread Gary McGraw
Hi all, I do want to clarify that these models are not the same thing. gem http://www.cigital.com/~gem - Original Message - From: sc-l-boun...@securecoding.org sc-l-boun...@securecoding.org To: Stephen de Vries step...@twisteddelight.org Cc: Secure Code Mailing List