Re: [SC-L] IBM Acquires Ounce Labs, Inc.

2009-08-05 Thread Matt Fisher
>I think anyone who has experience with deep dynamic testing knows they >need automation tools with custom configuration ability, the ability to >record workflow, a framework to create custom tests, etc. Absolutely. But Arian there are differing deployment models. You don't just touch an appl

Re: [SC-L] IBM Acquires Ounce Labs, Inc.

2009-08-05 Thread Romain Gaucher
Steve, I definitely agree that not using the tools were a big limitation -- especially because the web interface wasn't as interactive and powerful as tool GUIs. But for me, we had a hard time with using a consistent and actually, meaningful scoring: - What is a false-positive? - How importa

Re: [SC-L] IBM Acquires Ounce Labs, Inc.

2009-08-05 Thread Steven M. Christey
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Romain Gaucher wrote: > But for me, we had a hard time with using a consistent and actually, > meaningful scoring: > - What is a false-positive? > - How important is this particular finding? For those on this list, I cover these in some detail in my paper within the NIST do

Re: [SC-L] IBM Acquires Ounce Labs, Inc.

2009-08-05 Thread Steven M. Christey
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Chris Wysopal wrote: > As a group of security practitioners it is amazing to me that we don't > have more quantifiable testing and tools/services are just dismissed > with anecdotal data. I am glad NIST SATE '09 will soon be underway and, > at least for static analysis tools,

Re: [SC-L] IBM Acquires Ounce Labs, Inc.

2009-08-05 Thread Arian J. Evans
Kevin -- excellent points. Starting on top: + this is happening... (really!) + "dynamic scanning" vendors are getting together to add/share more data-points and lessons with: ++ WAF vendors ++ static-analysis automation vendors ++ consultants doing Pen-Testing, static analysis, threat modeling,

Re: [SC-L] IBM Acquires Ounce Labs, Inc.

2009-08-05 Thread Wall, Kevin
Arian J. Evans wrote... > The problem I had in the past with benchmarks was the huge degree of > customization in each application I would test. While patterns emerge > that are almost always automatable to some degree, the technologies > almost always require hand care-and-feeding to get them to