Re: [SC-L] Blog skiiers versus snowboarders CISSPs vs programmers

2010-01-13 Thread Lindley James R
I am the designated certification hog (see sigblok) for my group, which does source code security analysis and pen testing. So I'm fairly familiar with what goes into getting and keeping these certs. And I don't think that a CISSP is nearly specific enough for software source code security Now,

Re: [SC-L] [Esapi-user] [Esapi-dev] Recommending ESAPI?

2010-01-13 Thread Benjamin Tomhave
I don't think I follow, Mike... how do you think Common Criteria or FIPS 140-2 have anything to do with this topic? Accreditation programs are useful, but only to the degree that they're underpinned by quality standards, quality technical testing, and competent development programs concerned with d

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2010-01-13 Thread Benjamin Tomhave
Thanks for that excellent and detailed response, Steve. A few follow-up questions: 1) What sort of charter and executive support was/is necessary to establish a group like SSG, and to continue building on it? In particular, I wonder about how the mandate was established, and then supported over the

Re: [SC-L] Blog skiiers versus snowboarders CISSPs vs programmers

2010-01-13 Thread Benjamin Tomhave
I'm not even sure why we're talking about CISSPs in this regard. Having a CISSP proves nothing; it's merely a blind HR/recruiter checklist item. I've personally met dozens of CISSPs who can't answer the most basic of security questions. The short-term comes down to what Gary talked about recently,

Re: [SC-L] Ramesh Nagappan Blog : Java EE 6: Web Application Security made simple ! | Core Security Patterns Weblog

2010-01-13 Thread Jim Manico
On 1/11/2010 3:42 PM, John Steven wrote: > As a last resort, might I suggest using inheritance and encapsulation to stitch together framework-provided cut points and ESAPI code. This is where ESAPI will evolve. For starters, we need to get our base controls right. :) This is the hallmark of compl

Re: [SC-L] Secure Web Application Framework Manifesto

2010-01-13 Thread Rohit Sethi
Paco, these are really great comments and will be really useful for us in improving the doc prior to release as an OWASP project. One aspect of the paper that I noticed you referenced a few times is the set of requirements for authentication. I agree this isn't normally the kind of thing a framewo

Re: [SC-L] [Esapi-user] [Esapi-dev] Recommending ESAPI?

2010-01-13 Thread Mike Boberski
> we start to create standards for how Security Controls should behave [and basically the rest of the post] I submit ASVS for your consideration. If one is further concerned about building blocks in the environment, check out Common Criteria and FIPS 140-2. Also, There have also been discussions

Re: [SC-L] [Esapi-dev] Recommending ESAPI?

2010-01-13 Thread Dinis Cruz
My view is that the key to make this work is to create the ESTAPI, which is the Enterprise Security *Testing* API This way we would have (for every language): - *ESAPI Interfaces* - which describe the functionality that each security control should have - *ESTAPI* - Unit Tests that check

Re: [SC-L] Secure Web Application Framework Manifesto

2010-01-13 Thread Paco Hope
On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Rohit Sethi wrote: > Many of us have argued that the features of underlying web > applications frameworks will make a major impact on the security of > the individual applications built on top of them. This is timely, relative to John Steven's recent discussion (re: E

Re: [SC-L] Blog skiiers versus snowboarders CISSPs vs programmers

2010-01-13 Thread Arian J. Evans
The software security problem is a huge problem. There are not enough CISSPs to even think about solving this problem. CISSPs probably should have a tactical role helping categorize, classify, and facilitate getting things done. Scanner jockeys and network security folk will lead the operational c

[SC-L] Special Issue of IJSSE: Software Safety & Dependability - the Art of Engineering Trustworthy Software

2010-01-13 Thread Goertzel, Karen [USA]
For those who might be interested. There are still a couple weeks until the submission deadline Karen Mercedes Goertzel, CISSP Associate Booz Allen Hamilton 703.698.7454 goertzel_ka...@bah.com --- Special Issue of IJSSE Theme: Software Safety & Dependability - the Art of Engineering Trust