On 11/5/06, David Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> mikeiscool wrote:
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> >>
> Don't go there, sister. Come up with some reasonable tests before making a
> statement like that. "Assembly code can be as much as a million times faster
> then the run time of a C++ version of the same algorithm." Bi
On 10/28/06, David Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Crispin Cowan wrote:
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> >>
> For me, the enemy in the room is C++. It gives you the safety of C with the
> performance of SmallTalk. There is no excuse at all to be writing anything in
> C++ yet vastly too many applications are written in C++
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On 10/28/06, David Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Crispin Cowan wrote:
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David Crocker wrote:
> Unfortunately, there are at least two situations in which C++ is a
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David Crocker wrote:
> Unfortunately, there are at least two situations in which C++ is a more
> suitable
> alternative to Java and C#:
>
> - Where performance is critical. Run time of C# code (using the faster .NET
> 2.0
> runtime) can be as much as double the run time of a C++ version of the sa
Crispin Cowan wrote:
>>
For me, the enemy in the room is C++. It gives you the safety of C with the
performance of SmallTalk. There is no excuse at all to be writing anything in
C++ yet vastly too many applications are written in C++ anyway. Instead of
trying to coax developers to switch from C++
Gergely Buday wrote:
> Larry Kilgallen wrote:
>
>> Is there participation on this list from the (hopefully larger number of)
>> CMU instructors who are teaching people to use safer languages in the first
>> place ?
>>
> May anybody not from CMU enter the discussion about safer languages? ;-
Larry Kilgallen wrote:
> Is there participation on this list from the (hopefully larger number of)
> CMU instructors who are teaching people to use safer languages in the first
> place ?
May anybody not from CMU enter the discussion about safer languages? ;-)
I'm in favor of SML, as it has a num
At 12:11 PM -0400 10/13/06, James Walden wrote:
> you really have to use C because it's the only thing that will do,
That seems extremely improbable.
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At 9:02 PM +1000 10/13/06, mikeiscool wrote:
>On 10/13/06, Craig E. Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>At 10:03 AM -0400 10/12/06, ljknews wrote:
>>>At 9:20 AM -0400 10/12/06, Robert C. Seacord wrote:
>>>
I'm also teaching a course at CMU in the spring on Secure Coding in C
and C++.
>>
On 10/12/06, Craig E. Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't think saying "use safer languages" is a good way to say it.It would help conditions significantly if greater care were taken tomatch the choice of programming language to the problem to be solved
or application to be created. If a langua
On 10/13/06, Craig E. Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 10:03 AM -0400 10/12/06, ljknews wrote:
> >At 9:20 AM -0400 10/12/06, Robert C. Seacord wrote:
> >
> >> I'm also teaching a course at CMU in the spring on Secure Coding in C
> >> and C++.
> >
> >Is there participation on this list from th
At 10:03 AM -0400 10/12/06, ljknews wrote:
>At 9:20 AM -0400 10/12/06, Robert C. Seacord wrote:
>
>> I'm also teaching a course at CMU in the spring on Secure Coding in C
>> and C++.
>
>Is there participation on this list from the (hopefully larger number of)
>CMU instructors who are teaching peo
At 9:20 AM -0400 10/12/06, Robert C. Seacord wrote:
> I'm also teaching a course at CMU in the spring on Secure Coding in C
> and C++.
Is there participation on this list from the (hopefully larger number of)
CMU instructors who are teaching people to use safer languages in the first
place ?
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Gadi,
I sort of agree with mic that the problem is poor programming. My last
manager liked to pick up C text books at random and point out all the
vulnerabilities in the code examples that are being used to teach the
next generation of programmers (how to write vulnerabilities).
> This communit
On 10/12/06, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, how can we edit current basic programming college books to present
> secure code, a couple of words of the correct way of doing things, and a
> whole new chapter on secure coding (which may be redudndent?)
>
> How do we start?
>
> Some Whiley
We're working on it! The problem is not simply a book.
gem
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To: Kenneth Van Wyk
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This community is perfect for this job.
Gadi.
>
> gem
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gadi Evron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wed Oct 11 20:58:12 2006
> To: Kenneth Van Wyk
> Cc: Secure Coding
> Subject: [SC-L] re-writing colleg
So, how can we edit current basic programming college books to present
secure code, a couple of words of the correct way of doing things, and a
whole new chapter on secure coding (which may be redudndent?)
How do we start?
Some Whiley book for introduction to CS?
Any volunteers to get this on th
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