RE: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-14 Thread Arian J. Evans
derstanding of architecture, dev/design goals, etc. Hmmm. That's what I'm guessing Gary means, and surely that sun is slowly setting. -ae p.s. - Nash, when I first read your post, I thought p2 started with "Pen tests are highly addictive". Then I re-read. > -----Origina

Re: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-14 Thread Gadi Evron
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Daniele Muscetta wrote: > On 7/13/06, Gary McGraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 3) never use the results of a pen test as a "punch list" to attain > > security > > > > > You are right, but very sadly, that's how it gets used by a lot of > companies > "hey, the pen te

Re: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-14 Thread Daniele Muscetta
On 7/13/06, Gary McGraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 3) never use the results of a pen test as a "punch list" to attainsecurityYou are right, but very sadly, that's how it gets used by a lot of companies"hey, the pen testers found problem 1, 2, 3 - we fix those, we are fine". No way. But still...

RE: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-13 Thread Dana Epp
tools in the arsenal to help. Regards, Dana Epp [Microsoft Security MVP] http://silverstr.ufies.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary McGraw Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:05 AM To: Nash Cc: Secure Coding Mailing List Subj

RE: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-13 Thread Gary McGraw
Excellent post nash. Thanks! I agree with you for the most part. You have a view of pen testing that is quite sophisticated (especially compared to the usual drivel). I agree with you so much that I included pen testing as the third most important touchpoint in my new book "Software Security" w

Re: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-13 Thread Nash
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 07:56:16AM -0400, Gary McGraw wrote: > > Is penetration testing good or bad? > http://ddj.com/dept/security/18951 Test coverage is an issue that penetration testers have to deal with, without a doubt. Pen-tests can never test every possible attack vector, which means

Re: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-13 Thread Gadi Evron
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Gary McGraw wrote: > Hi all, > > Is penetration testing good or bad? > > http://ddj.com/dept/security/18951 It's great, but "penetration testing" of the network assesment types is useless as it takes a picture of what the network look slike TODAY, while tomorrow it's a d

[SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-13 Thread Gary McGraw
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