RE: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the third rail of secure coding

2004-08-02 Thread ljknews
At 2:25 PM +0930 8/2/04, Nick Lothian wrote: What features make Ada safer than Java/C#? (I only have limited experience with Ada but from memory there was nothing that jumps out at me as something that Java lacks) Quoting from Tucker Taft in

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the third rail of secure coding

2004-08-01 Thread Glenn and Mary Everhart
Jeremy Epstein wrote: Kevin Wall pointed to http://www2.latech.edu/~acm/HelloWorld.shtml as a good source point; several of the languages I programmed in aren't listed (e.g., PL/360, which in many respects was to the IBM 360 as C was to the PDP/11). Throughout the 1970s (and maybe even 1980s) a

RE: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the third rail of secure coding

2004-08-01 Thread ljknews
At 1:03 PM +0930 8/1/04, Nick Lothian wrote: IMHO, though, any such effort is pointless. The reality is that we're going to be stuck with C/C++, Java, C#, FORTRAN, COBOL, and various interpreted/scripting languages for a very long time. What are peoples opinions of the languages listed

RE: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the third rail of secure coding

2004-07-21 Thread Nick Lothian
I'd also point out that if it's languages you're trying to list, JavaScript arguably should not have a separate entry from Java Yes it should - they are substantially different languages, even if we look at them only syntactically. You could argue that Javascript should be listed as

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the third rail of secure coding

2004-07-21 Thread Mark Rockman
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:05 Subject: Re: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the third rail of secure coding Michael S Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been compiling a list of programming languages.. You missed FORTRAN, ICON, REXX, SNOBOL, and the assorted OS-based shell

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the third rail of secure coding

2004-07-21 Thread Erik van Konijnenburg
At 8:17 AM -0500 7/20/04, Michael S Hines wrote: I've been compiling a list of programming languages.. Some of which were developed to 'solve' the insecure programming problem. I don't think we've made it yet. My list -- (feel free to add to it). And then there are languages such as

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the third rail of secure coding

2004-07-21 Thread Crispin Cowan
I don't understand the purpose of this list. If it is to list all programming languages, that is hopeless, as there are thousands of programming languages. If it is to list all programming languages with security ambitions, then I'm confused, as clearly not all of the languages listed were

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the third rail of secure coding

2004-07-20 Thread Dave Aronson
Michael S Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been compiling a list of programming languages.. You missed FORTRAN, ICON, REXX, SNOBOL, and the assorted OS-based shell scripting languages (bash/csh/ksh/etc., VMS DCL, DOS .bat, etc.). I've heard of JOVIAL, which I *think* is a programming

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the third rail of secure coding

2004-07-20 Thread der Mouse
I've been compiling a list of programming languages.. [...] My list -- (feel free to add to it). 42. BCPL 43. sh 43. awk 44. FORTRAN 45. TeX 46. Metafont 47. PostScript 48. MUF 49. BLISS 50. Machine code I'd also point out that if it's languages you're trying to list, JavaScript arguably