Re: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-14 Thread Gadi Evron
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Daniele Muscetta wrote: On 7/13/06, Gary McGraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) never use the results of a pen test as a punch list to attain security You are right, but very sadly, that's how it gets used by a lot of companies hey, the pen testers found

RE: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-14 Thread Arian J. Evans
tests are highly addictive. Then I re-read. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nash Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:18 AM To: Gary McGraw Cc: Secure Coding Mailing List Subject: Re: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer On Thu, Jul 13

Re: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-13 Thread Gadi Evron
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Gary McGraw wrote: Hi all, Is penetration testing good or bad? http://ddj.com/dept/security/18951 It's great, but penetration testing of the network assesment types is useless as it takes a picture of what the network look slike TODAY, while tomorrow it's a

Re: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-13 Thread Nash
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 07:56:16AM -0400, Gary McGraw wrote: Is penetration testing good or bad? http://ddj.com/dept/security/18951 Test coverage is an issue that penetration testers have to deal with, without a doubt. Pen-tests can never test every possible attack vector, which means

RE: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-13 Thread Gary McGraw
Excellent post nash. Thanks! I agree with you for the most part. You have a view of pen testing that is quite sophisticated (especially compared to the usual drivel). I agree with you so much that I included pen testing as the third most important touchpoint in my new book Software Security

RE: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer

2006-07-13 Thread Dana Epp
[Microsoft Security MVP] http://silverstr.ufies.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary McGraw Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:05 AM To: Nash Cc: Secure Coding Mailing List Subject: RE: [SC-L] ddj: beyond the badnessometer