Re: [SC-L] Programming languages used for security

2004-07-10 Thread Crispin Cowan
Dana Epp wrote: My what a week of interesting discussions. Lets end this week on a good and light hearted note. Insert various analogies between programming languages and automobiles here :) * $MY_FAVORITE_LANGUAGE is like a $REALLY_COOL_CAR, while $YOUR_FAVORITE_LANGUAGE is like a

RE: [SC-L] Programming languages used for security

2004-07-10 Thread Wall, Kevin
David Crocker wrote... I think there are two other questions that should be asked before trying to answer this: 1. Is it appropriate to look for a single general purpose programming language? Consider the following application areas: a) Application packages b) Operating systems, device

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages used for security

2004-07-10 Thread Dana Epp
My what a week of interesting discussions. Lets end this week on a good and light hearted note. Admit it. We all know the most secure programming language is Logo anyways. HLNIt's hip to be 'rep 4 [ fwd 50 rt 90]'/HLN Laugh. Or the world laughs at you. Have a good weekend guys. Crispin Cowan

RE: [SC-L] Programming languages used for security

2004-07-10 Thread David Crocker
Crispin Cowan wrote: The above is the art of programming language design. Programs written in high-level languages are *precisely* specifications that result in the system generating the program, thereby saving time and eliminating coding error. You will find exactly those arguments in the

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages used for security

2004-07-10 Thread James Walden
Wall, Kevin wrote: My vary reason for posing these questions is to see if there is any type of consensus at all on what mechanisms / features a language should and should not support WITH RESPECT TO SECURE PROGRAMMING. For example, you mentioned garbage collection. To that I would add things like

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages used for security

2004-07-10 Thread der Mouse
Programs written in high-level languages are *precisely* specifications that result in the system generating the program, Whilst I agree that the distinction between specification and programming languages is not completely clear cut, there is nevertheless a fundamental difference between

RE: [SC-L] Programming languages used for security

2004-07-10 Thread Wall, Kevin
David Crocker wrote: Whilst I agree that the distinction between specification and programming languages is not completely clear cut, there is nevertheless a fundamental difference between specification and programming. In a programming language, you tell the computer what you want it to