Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Prasad N Shenoy
Very well said Chris. Can you explain what you mean by ". I think SaaS based software is more easily consumed and this isn't any different for software security" Sent from my iPhone On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Chris Wysopal wrote: > . I think SaaS based software is more easily consumed and th

[SC-L] free and open online secure coding in C course module

2011-02-04 Thread Robert Seacord
CERT has completed the development of an integer module for our "Secure Coding in C" course. A demo course set up at http://oli.web.cmu.edu Enter the course key: seccode The course is open and free. If you want to use the course at your University, College, Corporation, or other organization yo

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Gary McGraw
hi arian, Glad you liked the article. I guess my brush was a bit too wide when it comes to dynamic testing. I was really only referring to the Web application testing tools which in my mind "hit the wall" for two reasons. Reason one is that they only work over port80 and are designed to take ad

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Steven M. Christey
Jim, Maybe you would have had more success if you explicitly said "in the cloud" ;-) - Steve On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Jim Manico wrote: Chris, I've tried to leverage Veracode in recent engagements. Here is how the conversation went: Jim: "Boss, can I upload all of your code to this cool Sa

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Ben Laurie
On 3 February 2011 16:02, Jim Manico wrote: > Chris, > > I've tried to leverage Veracode in recent engagements. Here is how the > conversation went: > > Jim: > "Boss, can I upload all of your code to this cool SaaS service for > analysis?" > > Client: > "Uh no, and next time you ask, I'm having y

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Chris Wysopal
Uploading code isn't an issue with software vendors because we are analyzing the artifact that they ship to their customer anyway; the executable version of their software, not source code. Unless of course the executable is source code which is the case for JSP or PHP, and other scripting lan

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Chris Wysopal
Many of traditional benefits of SaaS: no software to install, scaling from group to enterprise, and ease of central management, make it easier to roll out and manage software security programs enterprise wide. The bigger and more diverse an organization is the more these “consumption” benefit

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Chris Wysopal
"Breaking news. Google says not to use the cloud. Improving on-premise tools is the future." Sorry, I couldn't help myself. J -Chris From: Ben Laurie [mailto:b...@google.com] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 11:34 AM To: Jim Manico Cc: Chris Wysopal; Secure Code Mailing List Subject: Re: [SC-

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Ben Laurie
On 4 February 2011 09:22, Chris Wysopal wrote: > > > “Breaking news. Google says not to use the cloud. Improving on-premise > tools is the future.” > My view is personal. However, in general, whether the cloud is a good place for your data depends on your data and the relationship you have wit

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Chris Eng
I'm not the Chris you posed the question to but I'll answer anyway. :) Usually the type of response you described is a knee-jerk reaction. It's a different model than people are used to, and sometimes people are averse to change, whether that's warranted or not. It's important to get past the

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Jeremiah Grossman
Hi Gary, No offense taken. :) Securing Web software is a plenty big enough challenge for me. 270+ million websites accessible to 2 billion people. And let's not even go into the hundreds of thousands of mobile apps, which are basically all mini webapps. After I'm done solving that problem I'll

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Prasad N Shenoy
Yeah, clear the "cloud" of confusion before talking about the cloud so to speak. Not all SaaS offerings available today qualify to be cloud based. Well, this thread got morphed into a cloudy discussion. Attempting to get back on track, I would say IMHO, it's subjective whether the static analysi

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Arian J. Evans
That is a great question. According to Gartner, HA has the stench of inevitability. And in general, I agree. There are cases where dynamic and static each have clear strengths. Pragmatic combination of of the two has promise is solving a broad spectrum of test-cases. Additionally -HA can help impr

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

2011-02-04 Thread Jim Manico
Hello Chris, Thanks for replying! I think the reaction from "my boss" was not so much knee-jerk, but a reasonable concern. The risk of persisting intellectual property on a cloud service is real. And that risk differs depending on your business (as well as many other factors). I'm eager to see ve