Re: [SC-L] Genotypes and Phenotypes

2009-10-18 Thread Andy Steingruebl
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Gunnar Peterson gun...@arctecgroup.net wrote: Its been awhile since there was a bugs vs flaws debate, so here is a snippet from Jaron Lanier A: No, no, they're not. What's the difference between a bug and a variation or an imperfection? If you think about it,

Re: [SC-L] Genotypes and Phenotypes (Gunnar Peterson)

2009-10-17 Thread SC-L Reader Dave Aronson
Chris Wysopal cwyso...@veracode.com wrote: In certain cases like aircraft where the economic pain of failure is high you get DO-178B, Software Considerations in Airborne Systems and Equipment Certification. For that type of software you might see the purchase of highly reliable libraries

Re: [SC-L] Genotypes and Phenotypes (Gunnar Peterson)

2009-10-15 Thread Chris Wysopal
. -Chris From: sc-l-boun...@securecoding.org [mailto:sc-l-boun...@securecoding.org] On Behalf Of Andreas Saurwein Franci Gonçalves Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:49 AM To: Secure Coding List Subject: Re: [SC-L] Genotypes and Phenotypes (Gunnar Peterson) 2009/10/14 SC-L Reader Dave Aronson

Re: [SC-L] Genotypes and Phenotypes (Gunnar Peterson)

2009-10-14 Thread SC-L Reader Dave Aronson
Andreas Saurwein Franci Gonçalves saurw...@gmail.com wrote (rearranged into correct order): 2009/10/13 Bobby Miller b.g.mil...@gmail.com The obvious difference is parts. In manufacturing, things are assembled from well-known, well-specified, tested parts. Hmmm Thats the idea of

Re: [SC-L] Genotypes and Phenotypes (Gunnar Peterson)

2009-10-14 Thread Andreas Saurwein Franci Gonçalves
2009/10/14 SC-L Reader Dave Aronson securecoding2d...@davearonson.com Andreas Saurwein Franci Gonçalves saurw...@gmail.com wrote (rearranged into correct order): 2009/10/13 Bobby Miller b.g.mil...@gmail.com The obvious difference is parts. In manufacturing, things are assembled from

Re: [SC-L] Genotypes and Phenotypes (Gunnar Peterson)

2009-10-13 Thread Bobby Miller
The obvious difference is parts. In manufacturing, things are assembled from well-known, well-specified, tested parts. Hmmm ... If you look at other things that people build, like oil refineries, or commercial aircraft, we can deal with complexity much more effectively than we can with

Re: [SC-L] Genotypes and Phenotypes (Gunnar Peterson)

2009-10-13 Thread Andreas Saurwein Franci Gonçalves
Thats the idea of libraries. Well known, well specified, well tested parts. Well, whatever. 2009/10/13 Bobby Miller b.g.mil...@gmail.com The obvious difference is parts. In manufacturing, things are assembled from well-known, well-specified, tested parts. Hmmm ... If you look at other