Re: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional?

2007-03-09 Thread SC-L Subscriber Dave Aronson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > certifications such as CISSP whereby the exams that > prove you are a security professional talk all about > physical security and network security but really don't > address software development in any meaningful way. Perhaps what is needed is a separate certification

Re: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional?

2007-03-09 Thread Benjamin Tomhave
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you, there, Michael. You're looking at things far too narrowly. And here's a very simple example: Small business. Single DMZ. Hosts DB and Web App on separate platforms. Web app needs to make back-end calls to DB. There's no reason whatsoever why

Re: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional?

2007-03-09 Thread Michael S Hines
I respectfully disagree. The need for a firewall or IDS is due to the poor coding of the receptor of network traffic - so you have to prevent bad things from reaching the receptor (which is the TCP/IP stack and then the host operating system - and then the middleware and then the application). Th

Re: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional?

2007-03-08 Thread Steven M. Christey
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Greg Beeley wrote: > Perhaps one of the issues here is that if you are in operations work > (network security, etc.), there are more aspects of the CISSP that are > relevant to your daily work. In software development, there is usually > just the one - app development sec - t

Re: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional?

2007-03-08 Thread Greg Beeley
> [...] I do suspect that some of it is tied to the romance of > certifications such as CISSP whereby the exams that prove you are a > security professional talk all about physical security and network > security but really don't address software development in any meaningful > way. [...] Tha

Re: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional?

2007-03-08 Thread Gunnar Peterson
-Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gunnar Peterson > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:13 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: SC-L@securecoding.org > Subject: Re: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional? > > actually

Re: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional?

2007-03-08 Thread Michael Silk
MAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:07 PM To: Gunnar Peterson; McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) Cc: SC-L@securecoding.org Subject: RE: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional? The right answer is both IMO. You need the thinkers, integrators, and operators to do it right. The term S

Re: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional?

2007-03-08 Thread McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
a, Brian A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:07 PM To: Gunnar Peterson; McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) Cc: SC-L@securecoding.org Subject: RE: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional? The right answer is both IMO. You need the thinkers, integrators, and operators to d

Re: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional?

2007-03-08 Thread Shea, Brian A
erson Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: SC-L@securecoding.org Subject: Re: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional? actually just the former. Robert Garigue characterized firewalls, nids, et al as good network hygiene. The equivalent of a dentist telling you to

Re: [SC-L] What defines an InfoSec Professional?

2007-03-08 Thread Gunnar Peterson
actually just the former. Robert Garigue characterized firewalls, nids, et al as good network hygiene. The equivalent of a dentist telling you to brush your teeth. An infosec pro needs much more depth than that. The model is charlemagne http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2007/02/thinking_ab