Re: Rhel 8

2021-01-24 Thread Yasha Karant
Two items of possible interest on OpenRC, with a relevant excerpt therefrom:

Re: Rhel 8

2021-01-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 12:14 AM Benson Muite wrote: > > On 1/24/21 9:37 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:26 AM Serguei Mokhov wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:00 AM Mark Rousell > >> wrote: > >>> > >> > >>> BUT... the fact that SysVInit is seen as

Re: Rhel 8

2021-01-24 Thread Benson Muite
On 1/24/21 9:37 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:26 AM Serguei Mokhov wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:00 AM Mark Rousell wrote: BUT... the fact that SysVInit is seen as outdated is NOT a reason in and of itself to support SystemD. There may have been and, in

Re: Rhel 8

2021-01-24 Thread Mark Rousell
On 24/01/2021 18:07, Mark Rousell wrote: > As for why less bloated (as many would see it) or over-expanded (as > many would see it) init systems have not been more widely adopted s/or over-expanded/or not-over-expanded/

Re: Rhel 8

2021-01-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:26 AM Serguei Mokhov wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:00 AM Mark Rousell > wrote: > > > > > BUT... the fact that SysVInit is seen as outdated is NOT a reason in and of > > itself to support SystemD. > > There may have been and, in many people's opinion, there

Re: Rhel 8

2021-01-24 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 9:20 PM Yasha Karant wrote: > > I had not heard the history of SystemD in any detail. What, if any, > were the software engineering and design justifications for SystemD? I The unreliability of SysV init scripts, especially for dependent services, and the lack of

Re: Rhel 8

2021-01-24 Thread Yasha Karant
Mark Rousell's commentary is accurate and to the point. As for "better ones" and the lack of competitor systems being "widely adopted" is far more a for-profit business decision than a decision based upon the abstract software engineering and performance merits of the situation. Despite the

Re: Rhel 8

2021-01-24 Thread Mark Rousell
On 24/01/2021 16:26, Serguei Mokhov wrote: > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:00 AM Mark Rousell > wrote: >> BUT... the fact that SysVInit is seen as outdated is NOT a reason in and of >> itself to support SystemD. >> There may have been and, in many people's opinion, there were and are better >>

Re: Rhel 8

2021-01-24 Thread Serguei Mokhov
On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:00 AM Mark Rousell wrote: > > BUT... the fact that SysVInit is seen as outdated is NOT a reason in and of > itself to support SystemD. > There may have been and, in many people's opinion, there were and are better > init systems > to replace SysVInit than SystemD.

Re: Rhel 8

2021-01-24 Thread Mark Rousell
On 24/01/2021 02:52, Lamar Owen wrote: > Straight SysV init does not meet the needs of many server setups, > especially server setups that need to dynamically change the daemon > mix that is currently running.  Virtualization hosts, software-defined > networking setups, and what is typically