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2021-02-04 Thread Alex Serebryanskiy
===Aleksander Serebryanskiy, PhDFesenkov Astrophysical Institute,Observatory 23, 050020 Almaty, Kazakhstan  tel: 8(747)9393892e-mail: a...@aphi.kz, aserebryans...@yahoo.com

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-04 Thread Yasha Karant
From below: If you like the RH user interface, just get the gnome-session-flashback package. It's a slightly updated gnome-2 environment. End excerpt. Ubuntu has many window management user interfaces. If one likes Gnome 2, also consider MATE that is available and works under LTS (the

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-04 Thread Ching Him Leung
Consider I am having trouble getting my collaborator to start testing our software on EL8. I don't know how well switching to Debian based distro will go. Ching Him

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-04 Thread Arthur H. Edwards
I don't know how welcome this point of view is, but, here goes. I started on RH 4.1, back before kernel modules, before ppp was part of the kernel, etc (1997). After a brief detour to suse, I changed to Debian and stayed there for ten years. The package management system is way cleaner than

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-04 Thread Fait, James F.
I am planning to move to Ubuntu LTS rather than even touch EL8. If I need a package that Ubuntu doesn't have but Debian does, I can just grab it and install, and it will work. The only reason that I used EL for as long as I did was the SystemV/Upstart management of startup. Now taht

Re: converting to RHEL8...

2021-02-04 Thread Konstantin Olchanski
On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 01:59:08PM -0800, Yasha Karant wrote: > > Thus, it appears only an install from the web is available, not the > ability to create local images (e.g., on bootable optical media or > bootable USB flash drive). For reasons of both throughput > limitations as well as network

Re: converting to RHEL8...

2021-02-04 Thread Konstantin Olchanski
These instructions are insecure, set you up for a supply-chain attack: a) RPMs are loaded over plain "http" (no "https") b) RPM signature is not checked A more secure sequence would: - wget

Re: converting to RHEL8...

2021-02-04 Thread Yasha Karant
From: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__springdale.math.ias.edu_=DwICaQ=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A=pOM6wQMzgedRsg4HzlewGm9N_84-75QBg_hgYJfrr1w=NcdRyRcfQFX1_79q-H0uCKsdNlYen2foB1NlJWJ0IZo= DVD i386x86_64

Re: converting to RHEL8...

2021-02-04 Thread Ching Him Leung
I have not tried RHEL yet, but I have some success converting from CentOS 8 to Springdale 8 on a VM. Here are some instruction I found on rocky linux forum dnf update -y rpm -e --nodeps centos-backgrounds centos-indexhtml centos-gpg-keys centos-linux-release centos-linux-repos centos-logos rpm

Re: converting to RHEL8...

2021-02-04 Thread RL
If in doubt, i always did a fresh install, so never had a messup. Conversion? Never ever. Dot. I am running SL7.9 of FermiLab  now. Im sure RH will continue to share updates. There is no spilt milk, why cry? If needed, i will have a follower OS prepared in good time ready to switch to.

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-04 Thread Konstantin Olchanski
On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 10:56:39AM -0800, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:58 PM Keith Lofstrom wrote: > > > > So - who else is contemplating a move to Debian? > > We will be following CERN and Fermilab's lead, whatever that is. > Same here. We build experiments that are

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-04 Thread Yasha Karant
Several comments as a long term RedHat production (pre-Fedora) and then EL user -- on laptops, on workstations (including workstations for scientific visualisation), and on compute and storage server "farms". 1. Ubuntu LTS serves essentially the same sector as EL, including SL with some

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-04 Thread Patrick J. LoPresti
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:58 PM Keith Lofstrom wrote: > > So - who else is contemplating a move to Debian? We will be following CERN and Fermilab's lead, whatever that is. But the longer we go without knowing, the more uncomfortable we get. Anybody have any inside information on their thinking?

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-04 Thread Konstantin Olchanski
On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 09:45:03AM -0500, Lamar Owen wrote: > On 2/3/21 7:52 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > >... I'm thinking about > >abandoning 25 years of Redhat experience and switching to > >Debian, while my aging brain can still handle change. > >... > >So - who else is contemplating a move to

Re: converting to RHEL8...

2021-02-04 Thread Konstantin Olchanski
On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 12:26:00PM -0800, Konstantin Olchanski wrote: > > Here we go. Conversion from CentOS-8 to RHEL-8 in 5 easy steps. > > Instructions for converting CentOS to RHEL are posted here: >

Re: converting to RHEL8...

2021-02-04 Thread Konstantin Olchanski
On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 02:24:57AM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > > Here we go. Conversion from CentOS-8 to RHEL-8 in 5 easy steps. > > Identically named RPM's do not necessarily have identical contents. To > do a really *thorough* switch, you need to reinstall *everything*. > So you

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2021-02-04 Thread Tim Even

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-04 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/3/21 7:52 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: ... I'm thinking about abandoning 25 years of Redhat experience and switching to Debian, while my aging brain can still handle change. ... So - who else is contemplating a move to Debian? I am.  Why Debian and not a downstream version like Ubuntu,

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-04 Thread Brett Viren
Keith Lofstrom writes: > I very much hope to stay connected to the "scientific" > aspect of our community. Making big changes together > with other science computationalists would be easier. I note that Debian has a science group which, unlike "Scientific" Linux, actually provides packaging of