[scifinoir2] Times-Picayune series on dangers to New Orleans
There have been lots of talk about who knew what about the dangers New Orleans faced from hurricanes. Were studies done, how reliable were the levees, etc? The following link takes you to the Times-Picayune site, which has reposted a series of reports the paper did three years ago on these topics. Makes for very interesting reading http://www.nola.com/hurricane/?/washingaway/ The Army Corps of Engineers says the chance of New Orleans-area levees being topped is remote, but admits the estimate is based on 40-year-old calculations. An independent analysis based on updated data and computer modeling done for The Times-Picayune suggests the risk to some areas, including St. Bernard and St. Charles parishes and eastern New Orleans, may be greater than the corps estimates. Corps officials say the agency is studying the problem with an updated model. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials
Sounds like an excuse to me. Your telling me it was only a ocncern when Bush came into power? Give me a break. What happen to the concern when Clinton was in office for 8 years? or when Carter was in office? So if someone cut your funding would you just stop and not do anything at all? If you got a cut in salary, would you stop feeding your family and complain to your boss, its your fault why I can't feed my family? excuses, excuses. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody took the time to upgrade the levees, in the State of Louisiana, that are over 100 years old. Who's fault is that, since that is the main reason why the flooding occured. Let me guess, that's Bush's fault as well. I can't stand Bush, but to blame the white house out of convenience or because you don't beleive in his policies is simply ridiculous. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509010170sep01,1,5853346.story?coll=chi-news-hedctrack=1cset=true http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/629/1/ I haven't followed much discussion on this but these two articles we're really informative. The Army Corp of Engineers who were in the process of retooling the levee and pump systems along the Mississippi Delta make no bones about the fact that their work was necessary and that it would help divert the impact of a disaster like Katrina when it struck. They also make no bones about the fact that the Bush administration has been actively involved in cutting their funding over the last few years to divert funds to the war in Iraq. it shoudl be noted they express on opinion on the lack of funding, just that it was a reality. The White House and the Congress have both been clearly aware of the possibilities of this kind of disaster and the need for the Army Corp Of Engineer's work. They decided the war in Iraq was more important. So to some degree the present administration and it's policies absolutely deserve some of the blame in regards to the present disaster that has struck New Orleans. Bosco __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=klLWJcP7Hct=1375197b=914257 --- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like an excuse to me. Your telling me it was only a ocncern when Bush came into power? Give me a break. What happen to the concern when Clinton was in office for 8 years? or when Carter was in office? So if someone cut your funding would you just stop and not do anything at all? If you got a cut in salary, would you stop feeding your family and complain to your boss, its your fault why I can't feed my family? excuses, excuses. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody took the time to upgrade the levees, in the State of Louisiana, that are over 100 years old. Who's fault is that, since that is the main reason why the flooding occured. Let me guess, that's Bush's fault as well. I can't stand Bush, but to blame the white house out of convenience or because you don't beleive in his policies is simply ridiculous. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509010170sep01,1,5853346.story?coll=chi-news-hedctrack=1cset=true http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/629/1/ I haven't followed much discussion on this but these two articles we're really informative. The Army Corp of Engineers who were in the process of retooling the levee and pump systems along the Mississippi Delta make no bones about the fact that their work was necessary and that it would help divert the impact of a disaster like Katrina when it struck. They also make no bones about the fact that the Bush administration has been actively involved in cutting their funding over the last few years to divert funds to the war in Iraq. it shoudl be noted they express on opinion on the lack of funding, just that it was a reality. The White House and the Congress have both been clearly aware of the possibilities of this kind of disaster and the need for the Army Corp Of Engineer's work. They decided the war in Iraq was more important. So to some degree the present administration and it's policies absolutely deserve some of the blame in regards to the present disaster that has struck New Orleans. Bosco __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials
Critics Say Bush Undercut New Orleans Flood Control By Jim VandeHei and Peter Baker Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, September 2, 2005; Page A16 ...Even with full funding in recent years, none of the flood-control projects would have been completed in time to prevent the swamping of the city, as Democrats yesterday acknowledged. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=klLWJcP7Hct=1375197b=914257 --- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like an excuse to me. Your telling me it was only a ocncern when Bush came into power? Give me a break. What happen to the concern when Clinton was in office for 8 years? or when Carter was in office? So if someone cut your funding would you just stop and not do anything at all? If you got a cut in salary, would you stop feeding your family and complain to your boss, its your fault why I can't feed my family? excuses, excuses. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody took the time to upgrade the levees, in the State of Louisiana, that are over 100 years old. Who's fault is that, since that is the main reason why the flooding occured. Let me guess, that's Bush's fault as well. I can't stand Bush, but to blame the white house out of convenience or because you don't beleive in his policies is simply ridiculous. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509010170sep01,1,5853346.story?coll=chi-news-hedctrack=1cset=true http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/629/1/ I haven't followed much discussion on this but these two articles we're really informative. The Army Corp of Engineers who were in the process of retooling the levee and pump systems along the Mississippi Delta make no bones about the fact that their work was necessary and that it would help divert the impact of a disaster like Katrina when it struck. They also make no bones about the fact that the Bush administration has been actively involved in cutting their funding over the last few years to divert funds to the war in Iraq. it shoudl be noted they express on opinion on the lack of funding, just that it was a reality. The White House and the Congress have both been clearly aware of the possibilities of this kind of disaster and the need for the Army Corp Of Engineer's work. They decided the war in Iraq was more important. So to some degree the present administration and it's policies absolutely deserve some of the blame in regards to the present disaster that has struck New Orleans. Bosco __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials
--- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happen to the concern when Clinton was in office for 8 years? or when Carter was in office? I believe work has been going on for years before Bush came into to office. I note that you left out Reagan and Bush the Elder. I can't say what happened before Clinton but the Clinton adminstration saw adequate funding for this project, hence the cutting of funding during the Bush administration. So if someone cut your funding would you just stop and not do anything at all If you got a cut in salary, would you stop feeding your family and complain to your boss, its your fault why I can't feed my family? Comparing a multimillion dollar project to a family budget is simply not an accurate analogy. It's much simpler for me to come with alternative solutions to my small income problem than for anyone to replace 25-75 million dollars a year in funding. The way the two things work, me funding my family and various state, local and federal governments funding a huge project are completely different. Certainly the responsibility for inaction and lack of preparedness extends to many many people and groups. It's also certainly clear that the federal government acted in a willfully ignorant and reckless manner in this instance and they should be held accountable for that. Bosco __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials
I've know about new Orleans for a long time. My husband and I were thinking about going there because we thought it would be gone in a few years and we wanted one last visit before it was too late. I wish i could say that my politics had nothing to do with it, but my motivation is dehydrated little ones, frail old ladies dying from starvation, doctors and nurses sustaining themselves with glucose and pleading for someone to come save them, and public officials crying pleading for help. this stuff is eating me up. I dream about it. it makes my stomach hurt. while it was inevitable that their would be casualties of the hurricane, the survivors did not have to die of starvation, violence, dehydration, etc. I think a lot of people are responsible for this mess, but the fact is that bush slashed the budget to deal with the problem and address flood mitigation by almost 50%; he fired the person who tried to tell him what would happen if he did so; he hired the head of the Arabian horse Breeders to head of FEMA (real qualified); He took cabinet powers away from FEMA and rolled it into the office of Homeland Security; he sent 1/3 of Louisiana's troops to Iraq and 1/2 of the equipment needed for rescue and cleanup; other states offered their national guard troops last Saturday, but the federal government did not release them until thursday. Hastert refused to call an emergency session of congress so more monies could be made available. So, the session did not take place until the end of the week; Emergency teams came in with supplies for a terrorist disaster not a hurricane; while people were dying bush, condi, card, and Cheney continued to vacation; when he left his vacation, Bush continued his social security stomp as people died; FEMA's leader suggested that people were dying because they would not leave, not because of his incompetince or that many could not afford to leave;the feds (Bush) refused to activate the Civilian Reserve Air Fleet but did not hesitate to do so for Iraq; People who wanted to help those in need were barred from doing so by the Office of homeland security; FEMA refused to allow Diesel fuel in from the coast Guard; FEMA has intentionally cut off sprint and verizon in new Orleans; they also cut the lines that the police used to communicate; Wal-Mart sent water and FEMA refused it saying it was not needed.. but people have died of dehydration. FEMA cordoned off New Orleans not letting anyone in or out; Nine stockpiles of fire-and-rescue equipment strategically placed around the country to be used in the event of a catastrophe still have not been pressed into service in New Orleans. The feds say it is because LA, AL and MS did not ask for it. Would it be difficult to let them know it is available and instruct them on what is required to get it? so bush did not cause the problem, and he did not cause the flood, but did he and the feds do everything needed to make sure lives were not lost, no. I feel like they murdered thousands of people and everybody is defending him. I do not get it. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:32 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials --- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody took the time to upgrade the levees, in the State of Louisiana, that are over 100 years old. Who's fault is that, since that is the main reason why the flooding occured. Let me guess, that's Bush's fault as well. I can't stand Bush, but to blame the white house out of convenience or because you don't beleive in his policies is simply ridiculous. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509010170sep01,1,5853346 .story?coll=chi-news-hedctrack=1cset=true http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/629/1/ I haven't followed much discussion on this but these two articles we're really informative. The Army Corp of Engineers who were in the process of retooling the levee and pump systems along the Mississippi Delta make no bones about the fact that their work was necessary and that it would help divert the impact of a disaster like Katrina when it struck. They also make no bones about the fact that the Bush administration has been actively involved in cutting their funding over the last few years to divert funds to the war in Iraq. it shoudl be noted they express on opinion on the lack of funding, just that it was a reality. The White House and the Congress have both been clearly aware of the possibilities of this kind of disaster and the need for the Army Corp Of Engineer's work. They decided the war in Iraq was more important. So to some degree the present administration and it's policies absolutely deserve some of the blame in regards to the present disaster that has struck New Orleans. Bosco __ Click here to donate to the
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials
So without funding you really think that they could repair the levees without equipment, supplies and additional manpower? I understand what you mean about productivity, but it seems to me that you would still need the millions$ worth of equipment and materials. do you really think cutting the budget required for the levees and for disaster mitigation had no negative impact? Tracey -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sancochojo Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 11:21 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials Sounds like an excuse to me. Your telling me it was only a ocncern when Bush came into power? Give me a break. What happen to the concern when Clinton was in office for 8 years? or when Carter was in office? So if someone cut your funding would you just stop and not do anything at all? If you got a cut in salary, would you stop feeding your family and complain to your boss, its your fault why I can't feed my family? excuses, excuses. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody took the time to upgrade the levees, in the State of Louisiana, that are over 100 years old. Who's fault is that, since that is the main reason why the flooding occured. Let me guess, that's Bush's fault as well. I can't stand Bush, but to blame the white house out of convenience or because you don't beleive in his policies is simply ridiculous. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509010170sep01,1,5853346 .story?coll=chi-news-hedctrack=1cset=true http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/629/1/ I haven't followed much discussion on this but these two articles we're really informative. The Army Corp of Engineers who were in the process of retooling the levee and pump systems along the Mississippi Delta make no bones about the fact that their work was necessary and that it would help divert the impact of a disaster like Katrina when it struck. They also make no bones about the fact that the Bush administration has been actively involved in cutting their funding over the last few years to divert funds to the war in Iraq. it shoudl be noted they express on opinion on the lack of funding, just that it was a reality. The White House and the Congress have both been clearly aware of the possibilities of this kind of disaster and the need for the Army Corp Of Engineer's work. They decided the war in Iraq was more important. So to some degree the present administration and it's policies absolutely deserve some of the blame in regards to the present disaster that has struck New Orleans. Bosco __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/90 - Release Date: 9/5/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/90 - Release Date: 9/5/2005 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials
Like I said, it was stated and Democrats agreed, even with the full funding, the projects did not go toward the reengineering of the levees which is the States decision where the full funding was specified for. Thats a blunder of the State which is typical when funded by the Fed. There is always mismanagement of money and priorities. Given the history of corruption in New Orleans, it does not surprise me. With all what you said about FEMA, there should be hearings, if it is true. If not, than it will go as hear-say. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella \(formerly Tracey L. Minor\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've know about new Orleans for a long time. My husband and I were thinking about going there because we thought it would be gone in a few years and we wanted one last visit before it was too late. I wish i could say that my politics had nothing to do with it, but my motivation is dehydrated little ones, frail old ladies dying from starvation, doctors and nurses sustaining themselves with glucose and pleading for someone to come save them, and public officials crying pleading for help. this stuff is eating me up. I dream about it. it makes my stomach hurt. while it was inevitable that their would be casualties of the hurricane, the survivors did not have to die of starvation, violence, dehydration, etc. I think a lot of people are responsible for this mess, but the fact is that bush slashed the budget to deal with the problem and address flood mitigation by almost 50%; he fired the person who tried to tell him what would happen if he did so; he hired the head of the Arabian horse Breeders to head of FEMA (real qualified); He took cabinet powers away from FEMA and rolled it into the office of Homeland Security; he sent 1/3 of Louisiana's troops to Iraq and 1/2 of the equipment needed for rescue and cleanup; other states offered their national guard troops last Saturday, but the federal government did not release them until thursday. Hastert refused to call an emergency session of congress so more monies could be made available. So, the session did not take place until the end of the week; Emergency teams came in with supplies for a terrorist disaster not a hurricane; while people were dying bush, condi, card, and Cheney continued to vacation; when he left his vacation, Bush continued his social security stomp as people died; FEMA's leader suggested that people were dying because they would not leave, not because of his incompetince or that many could not afford to leave;the feds (Bush) refused to activate the Civilian Reserve Air Fleet but did not hesitate to do so for Iraq; People who wanted to help those in need were barred from doing so by the Office of homeland security; FEMA refused to allow Diesel fuel in from the coast Guard; FEMA has intentionally cut off sprint and verizon in new Orleans; they also cut the lines that the police used to communicate; Wal-Mart sent water and FEMA refused it saying it was not needed.. but people have died of dehydration. FEMA cordoned off New Orleans not letting anyone in or out; Nine stockpiles of fire-and-rescue equipment strategically placed around the country to be used in the event of a catastrophe still have not been pressed into service in New Orleans. The feds say it is because LA, AL and MS did not ask for it. Would it be difficult to let them know it is available and instruct them on what is required to get it? so bush did not cause the problem, and he did not cause the flood, but did he and the feds do everything needed to make sure lives were not lost, no. I feel like they murdered thousands of people and everybody is defending him. I do not get it. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:32 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials --- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody took the time to upgrade the levees, in the State of Louisiana, that are over 100 years old. Who's fault is that, since that is the main reason why the flooding occured. Let me guess, that's Bush's fault as well. I can't stand Bush, but to blame the white house out of convenience or because you don't beleive in his policies is simply ridiculous. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509010170sep01,1,5853346 .story?coll=chi-news-hedctrack=1cset=true http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/629/1/ I haven't followed much discussion on this but these two articles we're really informative. The Army Corp of Engineers who were in the process of retooling the levee and pump systems along the Mississippi Delta make no bones about the fact that their work was necessary and that it would help divert the impact of a disaster like Katrina when it struck. They also make no bones about
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials
that is true, but what about the thousands of people that died of violence, dehydration, injuries, illness, and starvation, because the Feds took five days to rescue the survivors and block those trying to help from doing so. Why not let Walmart deliver the water on tuesday as they tried to do or the coast guard deliver deisel fuel to the police. Why not let the salvation army in to lend assistance; why not let the victims get on the buses and boats provided by ordinary citizens? Why not drop some food and water all along? While allowing the repairs to continue would not have prevented the damge from Katrina, it speaks volumnes about wht is important to bush and where the administration's priorities are. Tracey -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sancochojo Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:09 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials Critics Say Bush Undercut New Orleans Flood Control By Jim VandeHei and Peter Baker Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, September 2, 2005; Page A16 ...Even with full funding in recent years, none of the flood-control projects would have been completed in time to prevent the swamping of the city, as Democrats yesterday acknowledged. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H; ct=1375197b=914257 --- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like an excuse to me. Your telling me it was only a ocncern when Bush came into power? Give me a break. What happen to the concern when Clinton was in office for 8 years? or when Carter was in office? So if someone cut your funding would you just stop and not do anything at all? If you got a cut in salary, would you stop feeding your family and complain to your boss, its your fault why I can't feed my family? excuses, excuses. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody took the time to upgrade the levees, in the State of Louisiana, that are over 100 years old. Who's fault is that, since that is the main reason why the flooding occured. Let me guess, that's Bush's fault as well. I can't stand Bush, but to blame the white house out of convenience or because you don't beleive in his policies is simply ridiculous. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509010170sep01,1,5853346 .story?coll=chi-news-hedctrack=1cset=true http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/629/1/ I haven't followed much discussion on this but these two articles we're really informative. The Army Corp of Engineers who were in the process of retooling the levee and pump systems along the Mississippi Delta make no bones about the fact that their work was necessary and that it would help divert the impact of a disaster like Katrina when it struck. They also make no bones about the fact that the Bush administration has been actively involved in cutting their funding over the last few years to divert funds to the war in Iraq. it shoudl be noted they express on opinion on the lack of funding, just that it was a reality. The White House and the Congress have both been clearly aware of the possibilities of this kind of disaster and the need for the Army Corp Of Engineer's work. They decided the war in Iraq was more important. So to some degree the present administration and it's policies absolutely deserve some of the blame in regards to the present disaster that has struck New Orleans. Bosco __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/90 - Release Date: 9/5/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/90 - Release Date: 9/5/2005 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups
[scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials
Well it looks like that Black 3 star general is putting fire in the asses of the rescue. He is in control of security and the airlifts there and when someone challenged him on the lack of security and airlift on CNN, he went off and shut the reporters up claiming they were basing their reporting on hearsay. If it is 5 days too late, you have nothing but hearings to deal with it. Its unfortunate, but we have to move forward. It would be nice to see Bush's head role, but I doubt it. Mayor just announced on CNN that he refused to hand out water to those who refuse to leave the city. What kind of mess is that. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella \(formerly Tracey L. Minor\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that is true, but what about the thousands of people that died of violence, dehydration, injuries, illness, and starvation, because the Feds took five days to rescue the survivors and block those trying to help from doing so. Why not let Walmart deliver the water on tuesday as they tried to do or the coast guard deliver deisel fuel to the police. Why not let the salvation army in to lend assistance; why not let the victims get on the buses and boats provided by ordinary citizens? Why not drop some food and water all along? While allowing the repairs to continue would not have prevented the damge from Katrina, it speaks volumnes about wht is important to bush and where the administration's priorities are. Tracey -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sancochojo Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:09 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials Critics Say Bush Undercut New Orleans Flood Control By Jim VandeHei and Peter Baker Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, September 2, 2005; Page A16 ...Even with full funding in recent years, none of the flood-control projects would have been completed in time to prevent the swamping of the city, as Democrats yesterday acknowledged. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H; ct=1375197b=914257 --- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like an excuse to me. Your telling me it was only a ocncern when Bush came into power? Give me a break. What happen to the concern when Clinton was in office for 8 years? or when Carter was in office? So if someone cut your funding would you just stop and not do anything at all? If you got a cut in salary, would you stop feeding your family and complain to your boss, its your fault why I can't feed my family? excuses, excuses. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sancochojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody took the time to upgrade the levees, in the State of Louisiana, that are over 100 years old. Who's fault is that, since that is the main reason why the flooding occured. Let me guess, that's Bush's fault as well. I can't stand Bush, but to blame the white house out of convenience or because you don't beleive in his policies is simply ridiculous. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509010170sep01,1,5853346 .story?coll=chi-news-hedctrack=1cset=true http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/629/1/ I haven't followed much discussion on this but these two articles we're really informative. The Army Corp of Engineers who were in the process of retooling the levee and pump systems along the Mississippi Delta make no bones about the fact that their work was necessary and that it would help divert the impact of a disaster like Katrina when it struck. They also make no bones about the fact that the Bush administration has been actively involved in cutting their funding over the last few years to divert funds to the war in Iraq. it shoudl be noted they express on opinion on the lack of funding, just that it was a reality. The White House and the Congress have both been clearly aware of the possibilities of this kind of disaster and the need for the Army Corp Of Engineer's work. They decided the war in Iraq was more important. So to some degree the present administration and it's policies absolutely deserve some of the blame in regards to the present disaster that has struck New Orleans. Bosco __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's
[scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials
So what percentage of the problem was on the shoulder of the Federal Governement??? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella \(formerly Tracey L. Minor\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny how because of that fact that it would not be finished before Katrina hit, you think it was not his responsibility not to gut that budget or that he gutted the disaster mitigation budget designed to save lives, or any of the other stuff he and the white house are directly responsible for. I guess the pass the buck president has pass the buck supporters who distort some facts and ignore others to absolve him of his responsibilities. Gone are the days when our leaders - Republican and democrat took responsibility for their decisions, their actions, and those acting on their behalf. the president said help would arrive on Tuesday, but it did not come until Friday, but its not his responsibility right. With all what you said about FEMA, there should be hearings, if it is true. If not, than it will go as hear-say. Hearings start this week. I doubt republicans would be willing to do that for hear-say. see below some of the claims. All that i posted were obtained from mainstream media. Sometimes videotaped. It is on almost every news station in America (even FOX), so if it is hearsay, these guys do not seem to mind reprisals **below are links to a few online references, but all media outlet are reporting the same thing** 2004, the Corps essentially stopped major work on the now-breached levee system that had protected New Orleans from flooding. It was the first such stoppage in 37 years, the Times-Picayune reported. http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12528233.htm -we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my parish. The Coast Guard said, Come get the fuel right away. When we got there with our trucks, they got a word. FEMA says don't give you the fuel. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790/ Rescue flights suspended for presidential visit http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/politics/12548040.htm Federal flood control spending for southeastern Louisiana has been chopped from $69 million in 2001 to $36.5 million in 2005, according to budget documents. Federal hurricane protection for the Lake Pontchartrain vicinity in the Army Corps of Engineers' budget dropped from $14.25 million in 2002 to $5.7 million this year. Louisiana Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu requested $27 million this year. http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12528233.htm According to Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard, Walmart delivered 3 trucks of water, FEMA turned them back, said we didn't need them. He said, Bureaucracy has committed murder here in the greater New Orleans area, and bureaucracy has to stand trial before Congress now. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790/ Feds Refused to activate Civilian Reserve Air Fleet. In addition to Guard help, the federal government could have activated, but did not, a major air support plan under a pre-existing contract with airlines. The program, called Civilian Reserve Air Fleet, lets the government quickly put private cargo and passenger planes into service. The CRAF provision has been activated twice, once for the Persian Gulf War and again for the Iraq war. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina_national_guard Feds Prevent States From Sending Troops to New Orlean http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5253757,00.html Shortly after Bush came into office, key federal disaster mitigation programs, developed over many years, [were] slashed and tossed aside. FEMA's Project Impact, a model mitigation program created by the Clinton administration, was canceled outright by the Bush administration on February 28, 2001 -- ironically, the very same day of the 6.8 magnitude Nisqually earthquake in Washington state, which provided one of the best examples of the impact the program had in protecting people. Indeed, FEMA employees were officially directed not to become involved in disaster preparedness functions, since a new directorate (yet to be established) will have that mission. http://www.indyweek.com/durham/2004-09-22/cover.html levee repairs faked http://www.fromtheroots.org/story/2005/9/3/19542/97952 in the 1990s, in planning for a New Orleans nightmare scenario, the federal government figured it would pre-deploy nearby ships with pumps to remove water from the below-sea-level city and have hospital ships nearby, said James Lee Witt, former FEMA director. Now federal officials say a hospital ship did not leave its port in Baltimore until yesterdy, and isn't expected to arrive for seven days. http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-health1sep01,0,932523.story?coll= la-home-headlines FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes
[scifinoir2] NYTimes.com: Falluja Floods the Superdome
This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AMEN!! OPINION | September 4, 2005 Op-Ed Columnist: Falluja Floods the Superdome By FRANK RICH The failures of 9/11 come home to roost. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04rich.html?ex=1126497600en=f82bd551a873fefeei=5070emc=eta1 -- ABOUT THIS E-MAIL This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail This Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NYTimes.com 500 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10018 Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Fw: Nanotube sheets come of age
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Another exciting development. http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050815/full/050815-8.html News Published online: 18 August 2005 Nanotube sheets come of age Clear, conductive sheets produced at high speed. Mark Peplow They're soft, strong, and very, very long. Large, transparent sheets of carbon nanotubes can now be produced at lightning speed. The new technique should allow the nanotubes to be used in commercial devices from heated car windows to flexible television screens. Rarely is a processing advance so elegantly simple that rapid commercialization seems possible, says Ray Baughman, a chemist from the University of Texas at Dallas, whose team unveils the ribbon in this week's Science1. Nanotubes are tiny cylinders of carbon atoms measuring just billionths of a metre across. They are light, strong, and conductive. But for years their promise has outweighed their utility, because the complicated processes involved in making devices from nanotubes were too slow and expensive to be used in large-scale manufacturing. But now, nanotubes have gone into warp drive. Baughman's team can churn out up to ten metres of nanoribbon every minute, as easily as pulling a strip of sticky tape from a reel (see video - http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050815/multimedia/050815-8-m1.html ). This ribbon can be up to five centimetres wide, and after a simple wash in ethanol compacts to just 50 nanometres thick, making it 2,000 times thinner than a piece of paper. The ribbons are transparent, flexible, and conduct electricity. Weight for weight, they are stronger than steel sheets, yet a square kilometre of the material would weigh only 30 kilograms. This is basically a new material, says Baughman. Nanoforest Scientists have been weaving carbon nanotubes into fibres and sheets for several years (see 'Yarn spun from nanotubes' - http://www.nature.com/news/2004/040308/full/040308-10.html ). But until now, the most common way of making large sheets of nanotubes relied on a labour-intensive technique much the same as that used by the ancient Egyptians to make papyrus. Nanotubes suspended in a solvent were slowly filtered to create a mat, which was then dried and peeled off the filter. Baughman's team instead start with a 'forest' of half-millimetre-long nanotubes sticking upright on an iron-based platform. Pulling gently from the edge of the forest with an adhesive strip, such as a Post-It note, uproots a row containing millions of nanotubes. As these nanotubes pull out, they tangle with the next row, and so on. The nanotubes tangle together just enough to keep a ribbon growing, without jumbling up into a huge ball. They've found the magic spot, says Ian Kinloch, a materials scientist at the University of Cambridge. A lot of people will now try this out with a Post-It in their own labs. The team says a one-centimetre-long forest of nanotubes can produce three metres of nanoribbon. The researchers had previously used a similar method to draw strings of nanotubes from a forest2. Getting them to knit into a wider fabric is a bit trickier, but Baughman says that scaling the work up to produce large sheets will now be easily do-able. Patent bonanza Nanotubes are already replacing graphite in certain commercial devices such as batteries. But this technique could now propel many more nanotube products into the marketplace, agrees Kinloch. The team has already proved the sheets' usefulness in several applications, filing patents as they go. They have sandwiched a nanoribbon between two Plexiglass plates, for example, using the heat of a domestic microwave oven to weld the layers. This forms a transparent, conductive sheet ideal for a heated car window, they say. And since bending does not change the electrical properties of the nanotubes they could be used to carry current in a 'rollable TV screen', something that has long been promised by nanotechnologists. Things move quickly if you can prove that the supply of the material is good, says Baughman. References 1. Zhang M., et al. Science, 309. 1215 - 1219 (2005). | Article - http://dx.doi.org/10.1126%2Fscience.1115311 | 2. Zhang M., Atkinson K. R. Baughman R. H. Science, 306. 1358 - 1361 (2004). | Article - http://dx.doi.org/10.1126%2Fscience.1104276| PubMed | ChemPort | [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] NYTimes.com: Redemption in the Bayou
This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The last sentence of this piece is particularly damning. OPINION | September 5, 2005 Redemption in the Bayou Before Congress is a plan that could help restore Louisiana's vanishing wetlands and could provide some redemption for years of environmental carelessness. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/opinion/05mon3.html?ex=1126584000en=54fbb050438a1abcei=5070emc=eta1 -- ABOUT THIS E-MAIL This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail This Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NYTimes.com 500 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10018 Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] NYTimes.com: Bush Faces Rising Complaints About Handling of Disaster
This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Expletives deleted. 'Nuff said! NATIONAL / NATIONAL SPECIAL | September 4, 2005 Bush Faces Rising Complaints About Handling of Disaster By BRIAN KNOWLTON International Herald Tribune President Bush faced increasingly bitter complaints local and state officials along the battered Gulf Coast as he struggled to exert control over the disaster. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/national/nationalspecial/05cndbush.html?ex=1126497600en=2983c86cfd985dadei=5070emc=eta1 - Advertisement -- The Academy loved these movies enough to name each one Best Picture. What did the original New York Times movie reviews have to say about these Oscar winning films? Go to the Best Pictures review archive: http://ads.nyt.com/th.ad/nytnyt-textEmailThisdefault-Center1A/academyawards_text/?_RM_REDIR_=http://www.nytimes.com/ref/movies/oscars/bestpictures.html - Advertisement -- 0 -- ABOUT THIS E-MAIL This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail This Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NYTimes.com 500 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10018 Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Fw: Light that travels. faster than light!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] An exciting development. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-08/epfd-ltt081905.php Public release date: 19-Aug-2005 Contact: Luc Thevenaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 41-21-693-4774 Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne Light that travels. faster than light! A team of researchers from the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne (EPFL) has successfully demonstrated, for the first time, that it is possible to control the speed of light - both slowing it down and speeding it up - in an optical fiber, using off-the-shelf instrumentation in normal environmental conditions. Their results, to be published in the August 22 issue of Applied Physics Letters, could have implications that range from optical computing to the fiber-optic telecommunications industry. On the screen, a small pulse shifts back and forth - just a little bit. But this seemingly unremarkable phenomenon could have profound technological consequences. It represents the success of Luc Thévenaz and his fellow researchers in the Nanophotonics and Metrology laboratory at EPFL in controlling the speed of light in a simple optical fiber. They were able not only to slow light down by a factor of three from its well - established speed c of 300 million meters per second in a vacuum, but they've also accomplished the considerable feat of speeding it up - making light go faster than the speed of light. This is not the first time that scientists have tweaked the speed of a light signal. Even light passing through a window or water is slowed down a fraction as it travels through the medium. In fact, in the right conditions, scientists have been able to slow light down to the speed of a bicycle, or even stop it altogether. In 2003, a group from the University of Rochester made an important advance by slowing down a light signal in a room-temperature solid. But all these methods depend on special media such as cold gases or crystalline solids, and they only work at certain well-defined wavelengths. With the publication of their new method, the EPFL team, made up of Luc Thévenaz, Miguel Gonzaléz Herraez and Kwang-Yong Song, has raised the bar higher still. Their all-optical technique to slow light works in off-the-shelf optical fibers, without requiring costly experimental set-ups or special media. They can easily tune the speed of the light signal, thus achieving a wide range of delays. This has the enormous advantage of being a simple, inexpensive procedure that works at any wavelength, notably at wavelengths used in telecommunications, explains Thévenaz. The telecommunications industry transmits vast quantities of data via fiber optics. Light signals race down the information superhighway at about 186,000 miles per second. But information cannot be processed at this speed, because with current technology light signals cannot be stored, routed or processed without first being transformed into electrical signals, which work much more slowly. If the light signal could be controlled by light, it would be possible to route and process optical data without the costly electrical conversion, opening up the possibility of processing information at the speed of light. This is exactly what the EPFL team has demonstrated. Using their Stimulated Brillouin Scattering (SBS) method, the group was able to slow a light signal down by a factor of 3.6, creating a sort of temporary optical memory. They were also able to create extreme conditions in which the light signal travelled faster than 300 million meters a second. And even though this seems to violate all sorts of cherished physical assumptions, Einstein needn't move over - relativity isn't called into question, because only a portion of the signal is affected. Slowing down light is considered to be a critical step in our ability to process information optically. The US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) considers it so important that it has been funnelling millions of dollars into projects such as Applications of Slow Light in Optical Fibers and research on all-optical routers. To succeed commercially, a device that slows down light must be able to work across a range of wavelengths, be capable of working at high bit-rates and be reasonably compact and inexpensive. The EPFL team has brought applications of slow light an important step closer to this reality. And Thévenaz points out that this technology could take us far beyond just improving on current telecom applications. He suggests that their method could be used to generate high-performance microwave signals that could be used in next-generation wireless communication networks, or used to improve transmissions between satellites. We may just be seeing the tip of the optical iceberg. ### YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials
So what percentage of the problem was on the shoulder of the Federal Government?? I do not know. I would say that all levels of government are at fault. I seriously doubt whether the governor of New Orleans will be re-elected and her political career may be over. The same fate is likely to befall the Mayor as well. Since the Feds normally have a huge portion of the responsibility for the aftermath of natural disasters, I would think that they should accept the blame for the aspects of the rescue under their control. Crazy as it may sound, I don't think it is good leadership to hold others accountable for things that are your responsibility. But I realize we are dealing with Pass The Buck Bush, so I guess I should not expect that kind of leadership. Let not event include his act of taking almost half of the budget away for the levee repair. While it speaks volumes on what his priorities were, the levy breech could not be avoided. However, there is a laundry list of federal issues dealing with the aftermath of Katrina which lead to thousands of people being murdered, dying of dehydration, contracting deadly bacterial infections, starving, etc. These people did not die in the hurricane and should not have died after the hurricane. The federal government is responsible for FEMA, the Army Core of Engineers, Navy hospital ships, equipment from the Marines, processing for out of state National guard to assist, Coast guard assistance, Civilian Reserve Air Fleet, and many other aspects of disaster recovery. As far as I can see, there is no getting around that. Most of these are resources are only just now starting to be made available. Some of them took the initiative to be available and help only to be refused by the feds in charge refused to allow them to provide food, water, gas, equipment, etc. The city and state have nothing to do with this. I would say dismantling a federal rescue program for floods and hurricanes when we get them every year is pretty bad and not the responsibility of local or stated. Striping the powers of FEMA and merging it with Homeland Security was Bush's decision. Firing those in charge who warn you of the hazards of the actions you are taking replacing them with someone who was fired from being the head of the Arabian Horse Breeders association is questionable as well. The state and city did not do that. The Federal government intentionally prevented state and local government, as well as outside governments, outside charities, regular citizens, outside agencies, and major corporations from providing assistance when they themselves wouldn't or couldn't. I do not understand how you could watch the horror of what happened and point fingers only at local and state government. The state and city are not responsible for getting a hospital ship to the area almost 2 weeks after the disaster. under the original plan, it was supposed to be there within 24 hours. hospitals were not evacuated for almost 6 days. Medical staff was dying of thirst and the feds refused shipments of water. You think that the Army core of engineers is at fault for not coming up with a way to complete a multi-million$ project after the budget is stripped in half; you think that the army core should not have been swayed when bush cancelled an entire project and should have completed it with no funds or needed staff, so I'm sure you will seek out scapegoats to blame for the other decisions and actions taken by the White house in the aftermath of Katrina that in my opinion caused thousands of preventable deaths. The is your prerogative and I guess Bush is lucky to have such an unwavering supporter. I've have never felt that way about any politician from any party. I think they all deserve our scrutiny. At the end of the day, your boy Bush will be able to pass the buck again. I think the head of homeland security, the head of FEMA, the mayor and the governor will share not other the blame for their actions, but Bush's as well. Tracey. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sancochojo Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 4:16 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials So what percentage of the problem was on the shoulder of the Federal Governement??? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella \(formerly Tracey L. Minor\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny how because of that fact that it would not be finished before Katrina hit, you think it was not his responsibility not to gut that budget or that he gutted the disaster mitigation budget designed to save lives, or any of the other stuff he and the white house are directly responsible for. I guess the pass the buck president has pass the buck supporters who distort some facts and ignore others to absolve him of his responsibilities. Gone are the days when our leaders - Republican and democrat took
[scifinoir2] Whats up with the term Refugee????
No matter how many times some of the evacuees and political leaders say they are not Refugee's the media continues to use the term. From the liberal channels to the conservative channels. Why is the media so attached to that term? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
