Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Gymfig
After The Hulk, Ang Lee needs to stay at home. mind you, I loved Crouching Tiger, but I really want to know what he was thinking when he formed his vision for that one. I don't think that Ang Lee should be define by The Hulk and CTHD. I am sure that he has done other films.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Gymfig
In a message dated 12/23/2007 7:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: M. Night Shyamalan wrote Stuart Little the same year he did the Six Sense Flop Too commmerical. Harry Potter was too commercial. I like LOTR films because it did not have that Hollywood commercial

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Daryle
Wha? Have you SEEN the LOTR films? Is it possible to BE more Hollywood than a multimillion dollar film starring Orlando Bloom, Liv Tyler, Sean Bean, Cate Blanchett, Hugo Weaving (POST Matrix), Elijah Wood, Sir Ian McKellen (who HAD done X Men at this point) this was as Hollywood as you could GET

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Daryle
The Lord Of The Rings movies bore me because they move entirely too slow. There are entire scenes dedicated to establishing shots. I know I'm Generation X and I'm used to MTV style editing and all that, but I just think the entire first movie could have been covered in 30 minutes and then we

[scifinoir2] Thanks for no memory

2007-12-24 Thread ravenadal
www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped1224memoriesdec24,0,357836.story?coll=chi_tab05_layout chicagotribune.com Commentary Thanks for no memory The Information Age has exceeded our brains' storage capacity By Barry Gottlieb December 24, 2007 We're not getting dumber, we're getting

Re: [scifinoir2] Comics to Film

2007-12-24 Thread Astromancer
If not the board, what? Justin Mohareb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I presume he means not the board. JJ Mohareb On Dec 23, 2007 7:13 PM, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry too...Um, what is the source of the Silver Surfer's power? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry! I think Astro

Re: [scifinoir2] Comics to Film

2007-12-24 Thread Astromancer
This is the result of having the script done by a non-fan...I'm necessarily a fan, but I am in a funk over the cloud thing... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: minor spoilers--but it doesn't matter The Surfer is *supposed* to be strengthened by the Power Cosmic, imparted to him by Galactus. The

Re: [scifinoir2] Thanks for no memory

2007-12-24 Thread Martin
I would stand up and thump my chest in a thoroughly manly fashion, proclaiming my intellect to be superior to one and all, but I realize that I can't remember what I had for lunch. And that was an hour and a half ago... ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Martin
You're right, Gymfig. It was unfair of me to toss that out. But I was really expecting something out of the movie, because the Hulk is my third-favorite Marvel property, after the FF and Cap. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After The Hulk, Ang Lee needs to stay at home. mind you, I loved

RE: [scifinoir2] somewhat related

2007-12-24 Thread Reece Jennings
I thought Will did an excellent job! I don't know about the 2/3, 1/3 thing. I guess by the time the good 2/3's of the movie were over, I didn't judge the last 1/3. I normally don't watch virus movies, but this was a good one! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with

Re: [scifinoir2] NT Times - Hoover Planned Mass Jailing in 1950

2007-12-24 Thread Martin
(standing ovation) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the media lost its backbone, integrity and courage a long time ago. It's been coming for a long while: the emphasis on ratings instead of good reporting...the proliferation of models reading the news (watched CNN lately? They have more

Re: [scifinoir2] NT Times - Hoover Planned Mass Jailing in 1950

2007-12-24 Thread Martin
Exactly, bosco. In a decidedly neocon group I used to post in, they lo ved to rant on for days on end about the liberal media and how they were destroying the American Way of life. I casually made the analogy that, if said liberal media had actually existed, then Dan Rather's botched attempt to

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith

2007-12-24 Thread Martin
She has favored me... (falling prostrate) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... However, I do appreciate your words of wisdom Martin wrote: ...though, thinking on that now, quietly is an option best removed. Wisdom predicates the notion of being

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith

2007-12-24 Thread Martin
Now, Tracey, I've lived in the Lil' Ole Souf for over forty years, and I have *never* met a gentle bunny rabbit... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c'mon guys. I'm as gentle as a bunny rabbit. I stopped using the cat o' nine tales weeks ago. Martin

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Martin
LMNAO!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i agree, i'd probably need therapy after seeing an Ang Lee rendition of The Hobbit. I was actually depressed after Hulk. it was such a brooding, downbeat movie. I'm all for well done angst in comic films. Indeed, it's those movies with

Re: [scifinoir2] Comics to Film

2007-12-24 Thread Martin
'Tis okay. I have minions I can torture on other sites to relieve the angst. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry! I think Astro stirred me up, bringing up the Galactus cloud and all! -- Original message -- From: Martin Keith, spot on with your analysis of Reed. And the

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith

2007-12-24 Thread Martin
LMNAO! Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hail Mary, Full of Grace... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com

RE: [scifinoir2] NT Times - Hoover Planned Mass Jailing in 1950

2007-12-24 Thread Martin
LMNAO Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Hoover was having his dresses altered and couldn't take the time... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I do not define any writer/director by one or two things they have done, but their body of work. That is why I was running the resumes of the artists that you said did not have IT or have range to cross over genres It seems to me that you see one or two thing done by a director and define

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread KeithBJohnson
yeah, see, that's one of my problems with younger filmmakers: no establishing shots. Just like a good story (which it is) a good movie should slowly build to action and adventure. If you just get on with it, you end up focusing more on action and less on things like plot, acting, and the

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread KeithBJohnson
definitely a generational thing. I won't watch a movie on DVD at home unless i can be assured of watching it in one sitting with minimal interruptions. Don't take phone calls, prepare my food ahead of time. I get that stopping and examining the film is cool (do it myself). But they're meant to

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread KeithBJohnson
although we're diammetrically opposed (see my two responses), and I really lament the decline in filmmaking quality among some--those damn fast cameras!--i was impressed with how you stated your feelings. You always have insightful things to say about movies and pop culture. Obviously you think

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Gymfig
In a message dated 12/24/2007 2:46:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In addition to Crouching Tiger, he won critical acclaim and awards for The Ice Storm, Sense and Sensibility, Eat Drink Man Woman and Brokeback Mountain. There are a few other films that he is known

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Gymfig
In a message dated 12/24/2007 9:27:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wha? Have you SEEN the LOTR films? Is it possible to BE more Hollywood than a multimillion dollar film starring Orlando Bloom, Never really heard of him before this. Liv Tyler, Never really

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Bosco Bosco
Badda Bing Badda Boom he nails it. LOTR was as big and as a commercial as Hollywood gets. The marketing and advertising budgets alone were enough to feed most thirdworld countries for a decade. Bosco --- Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wha? Have you SEEN the LOTR films? Is it possible to BE

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Bosco Bosco
Raimi has done several projects that were not Action films including a Simple Plan which features a really fabulous performance from Billy Bob Thorton. He also directed the Gift and For the Love of The Game. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/24/2007 2:46:58 PM Eastern

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Daryle
Wow, what a wonderful compliment! Thank you! I talk a lot about popcorn movies, but I really love the art of filmmaking. When done right, it's a beautiful art form. Many cinematographers and sound mixers I admire got started on some really crappy films. And a lot of times in those movies they do

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Whether you like it or not is irrelevant in determining a success of a movie. Try as you might and you do, you can not change facts. Good try thought/ Stuart Little was such a flop it had a sequel. Im not even going to go there with The Sixth Sense.Which Harry Potter. How do you

Re: [scifinoir2] Comics to Film

2007-12-24 Thread KeithBJohnson
According to Wikipedia (insert grain of NaCl here), this is the rationale for the Galactus Cloud: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus 20th Century Fox's rationale for having the character as a cloud was to keep him discreet.[65] Visual effects studio Weta Digital convinced Fox to add

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Daryle
I was gonna leave this alone with the Raimi discussion, but hey, it's Christmas. I think these kinds of conversations are like sports conversations, and so it's fitting that we're having it around the holiday. It isn't crucial that you've seen every game ever played, but it helps for one to have

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
The Angst that you described is the Angst I always felt when watching the Bill Bixby Series, so while I too needed a stiff drink, it felt more of the same for me. However, the CGI was absolutely horrible-- especially when the Hulk turned into a bouncing green ball. Martin wrote:

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I forgot he do those. I love him too. Hopefully, Spidey 3 is an aberration Bosco Bosco wrote: Raimi has done several projects that were not Action films including a Simple Plan which features a really fabulous performance from Billy Bob Thorton. He also directed the Gift and For the Love of

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I agree. I do not think you have to have seen every move done by an artist to assess there abilities, I do think one or two out of 20 or 30 movies is not enough to judge their range. Daryle wrote: I was gonna leave this alone with the Raimi discussion, but hey, it's Christmas. I think these

[scifinoir2] Re: somewhat related/I am Legend response

2007-12-24 Thread maidmarian_thepoet
You asked what I thought of I am Legend. It's a fine adventure movie. I took my glasses off at various times, less I see what I didn't want to see. (And I was annoyed to hear that some people bought young and impressionable kids to the picture. Lots of nightmares tonight, I would imagine.)

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: somewhat related/I am Legend response

2007-12-24 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Great Review. Almost everyone who has read the book or even seem Omega man was shocked at the saccharin ending. maidmarian_thepoet wrote: You asked what I thought of I am Legend. It's a fine adventure movie. I took my glasses off at various times, less I see what I didn't want to see.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread KeithBJohnson
so true, and thanks to you too! -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow, what a wonderful compliment! Thank you! I talk a lot about popcorn movies, but I really love the art of filmmaking. When done right, it's a beautiful art form. Many

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread KeithBJohnson
the series was sombre at times, but the movie felt more so to me. It was actually downright depressing. Good series that, even though the Hulk was drastically depowered. Good series, that is, until the horrible TV movie when they brought that idiotic version of Thor onto the scene. Ever see

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-24 Thread KeithBJohnson
my living room is rather narrow and long, and we watch TV across the narrow width, so I don't quite get the theatre experience. Even if i did, and even when i get that much-desired 50 plasma TV, i still don't see the theatre being replaced for me. I love the movie going experience: the crowds,