[scifinoir2] Re: September 11th National Firefighters Day?
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Amy Harlib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] After you read below and you wish to add your name, please click forward, add your name to the bottom of the list and send it on to others. This is a nice idea but here is a better one, according to snopes.com' For those still interested in establishing a National Firefighters Day, sponsoring a petition on the web rather than via e-mail is much more practical. Also, taking a few extra minutes to send letters to Congressional representatives rather than simply adding names to an e-petition would be a worthwhile effort. http://www.petitiononline.com/91101/petition.html Meta Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/S.QlOD/3MnJAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!
I bike just about everywhere. That's the advantage of living in a country that sees biking as a real form of transportation. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, it is hard when there is no mass transit or no reliable mass transit in your town. Something to talk with your local governmental reps about especially as gas approaches $4 a gallon by Thanksgiving. George --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Laileana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a vegetarian and my score was still 20. I think my gas guzzling SUV got me. That I drive everywhere alone. There is not really reliable public transportation where I live at. lois snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hp87smr/M=362335.6886444.7839734.2575449/D=groups/S=1705034827:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1124468161/A=2894362/R=0/SIG=138c78jl6/*http://www.networkforgood.org/topics/arts_culture/?source=YAHOOcmpgn=GRPRTP=http://groups.yahoo.com/;What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater?Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good/a./font ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?
Are any of them on sale anywhere. I could use a Hawk dose. I was telling my children about these shows and they really want to see them. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad that I taped those Hawk episodes on Spencer and A Man Called Hawk series...Wesley, Wendall Pirece, Angela Basset, Samuel Jackson, Eric LaSalle etc were i the cut on those series... I'm going to burn them to DVD...hey an I write that here? I don't want this site shut down too! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LMAO...I wasn't goiong to say that...but you have a point...On top of that, if anyone can get my mom to say Boy is he good lookin', He has got to be impressive...Mom has never uttered that about anyone on TV except Avery Brooks... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with that. He'd lost the fire after his wife's death. I'm just saying I wish he'd started out as Captain Sisko of whatever that starship was he was on. But hey, like you say, he grew like hell in what is probably my favorite Trek series. Oh course, ol' boy didn't really shine until he shaved that head and grew that beard, and became Hawk in the 24th Century! -- Original message -- Also remember that Sisko was Highly Pissed off at the world when he lost his wife...Realistically, I think that was the reason that, if he was passed over for the promotion, was...From what I gather, It seemed as if Sisko was on his way out of Starfleet as I read it...Hence, his posting at DS9...Very plausible...And I thought he did a helluva job turning himself around in one episode... Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I was going back to the premiere, where Sisko was First Officer of his ship. I felt his character should have been a captain of that starship, not the XO. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 19:20 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people? On one point, I have to say militarily was incorrect...Sisko was a commander, but of an outpost, not a ship, which I am assuming the captain's rank was reserved for ship's commanders...But I do see your point... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Your point is dead-on, which is what I meant. Star Trek was the beacon, starting slowly (a Black woman, no Black men in major roles), then grew with Geordi (whose disability definitely raised eyebrows among Blacks) and Worf, and reaching fruition in Sisko. The series matured in its treatment of people of color (though why Sisko was the only lead character in all the shows that started out as a commander instead of a captain was puzzling). That's what I meant about Enterprise going backwards. They literally regressed over three decades and relegated the Black and Asian characters to the same levels of background noise that unfortunately mostly defined Uhura and Sulu. And speaking of Sulu, MAJOR crime to my mind that George Takei, who has great screen presence, was never able to shine in Trek as he deserved. I'd have loved to have seen a movie based on his Excelsior. And you are so correct in saying that you hate the treatment of people of color on Galactica more now that you like it. I'm the same way. I hated the show when it started, wrote a scathing review in our group, then grew to love it. But then I look up and see the Asian girl being the love interest for two different white dudes, and ditto for the Black girl (Moore hints to a developing love triangle between the Sister, Billy, and Apollo). I see no Brothers playing anything but guards and muscle, as you say. And i just have to wonder, is it intentional or just more of the same white ignorance? Moore is a white man, and maybe bringing women of color on to be love interests for white men is diversity to him. Maybe he hasn't noticed that on several occassions he's used BBM (Big Black Men) as prisoners, and that they're even stereotypically dark-skinned and bald. Maybe he just doesn't get it, but I know it bothers me a great deal. Like I said, when the entire Pegasus command structure turns out white, and two bald brothers show up as the Admiral's personal guard, I was stunned. I'm hoping season three will somehow address this problem. tetsuwanatom1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know, we hold up Trek as the beacon, but it was really just the first. I don't think they really got it until TNG was deep into its run. Uhura was a hot swingin babe in a miniskirt. TOS did have black cast members playing doctors (!) and scientists (!!!) though. But really, a black dude with space shades? Burton really worked
[scifinoir2] High-Tech Door Better than Star Trek
The Tanaka Auto Door opens automatically when you stand in front of it. Even better, it only opens just enough to let the individual person come in. The Auto Door consists of individual slats that slide open and closed from the side of the door. Each slat is half the width of the door; each slat has a sensor. If you stand in front of the door, the sensors determine how much of the door needs to open to allow you to enter. more at link below, plus link to see demo of door. http://tinyurl.com/9vkp5 Meta Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: The Long History of a Bus Ride
Yes this was terrific. I do find it a shame the other two great women mentioned in this article wasn't give their proper respect news wise. These two ladies were on my 'great women'list growing up, especially Ms Tucker as she was in my part of the world at the time. Why is it still the case that we seem to only be allowed one icon at a time? Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Amy Harlib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Terrific! Rosa Parks in proper context. October 31, 2005 Op-Ed Contributor The Long History of a Bus Ride By JUAN WILLIAMS Washington ROSA PARKS led an inspiring life. Unfortunately, we rarely hear about it. That may sound surprising at a time when Rosa Parks is probably mentioned in every American history textbook and is the subject of dozens of biographies. The problem is that her story is usually presented as a simplistic morality tale. It is a paint-by-the numbers picture of virtue that goes like this: On Dec. 1, 1955, Mrs. Parks is an ordinary 42-year-old seamstress in downtown Montgomery, Ala. She leaves work and gets on the Cleveland Avenue bus to go home. When the whites-only section fills up, the bus driver yells at Mrs. Parks to give up her seat to a white man. She refuses and is arrested. Simply by sitting on a bus, Mrs. Parks sets off the year-long Montgomery bus boycott that galvanizes national attention, brings the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to the start of his journey as a civil rights leader and creates a model of nonviolent protest against racial segregation. There's no denying the appeal of this story - her body began lying in honor in the Capitol yesterday. But this telling of the tale does a disservice to Mrs. Parks and twists the history of the civil rights movement. Her story is about more than one bus ride. And the civil rights movement is more than one moment of defiance. The focus on Rosa Parks leads to the neglect of other civil rights pioneers who did far more to shape history. Take two other black women who died recently with much less attention to their life work. Constance Baker Motley, the first black woman to be a federal judge, was an N.A.A.C.P. lawyer who helped to write briefs used in arguing the Brown school desegregation case. In the 50's, she went into hostile towns all over the South and won case after case to make sure that their school districts really integrated. She also directed the legal campaign that led to the admission of James Meredith to the University of Mississippi and stood by him as he faced down segregationist violence to enroll. And she stayed with Medgar Evers as he battled the racists who eventually killed him. Another woman who recently died, C. DeLores Tucker, didn't face that kind of drama. But she broke through political barriers to become Pennsylvania's commonwealth secretary, then blazed new paths by working to get other black people into elected office and challenging misogyny in rap music. The one-dimensional telling of one day in the life of Rosa Parks takes her away from the real story - and to my mind the really inspiring story - of extraordinary black women like Judge Motley and Ms. Tucker, who rose from working-class backgrounds to become dedicated to creating social change. The truth is that Mrs. Parks was not someone who one day, out of the blue, decided to defy the local custom of blacks sitting in the back of the bus. That story leads some people to the cynical conclusion, once voiced by a character in the movie Barbershop, that all Rosa Parks did was sit on her bottom. That's not only insulting but a distortion that takes away the powerful truth that Rosa Parks worked hard to develop her own political consciousness and then worked hard to build a politically aware black community in the heart of Dixie. Before that one moment of defiance on the bus she was a civil rights activist who had long fought to get voting rights for black people in Alabama. Apparently it is too confusing to mention that as far back as 1943 she had refused to follow the rules requiring black people to enter city buses through the back door. And it invites too much complexity to mention that in the late 40's, as an official of the local branch of the N.A.A.C.P., she was forming a coalition with a group of black and white women in Montgomery to fight segregated seating on city buses. Her education in rural Pine Level, Ala., came at Jim Crow schools that taught her only enough to work for white people as a washerwoman, maid or seamstress. In Montgomery, she worked mending dresses. One of her employers was Virginia Durr, the wife of a powerful white lawyer. Mrs. Durr, a member of the interracial Women's Political Council, became Mrs. Parks's ally in a long-term effort to use political pressure to end the daily indignity of riding segregated buses. Mrs. Durr introduced Mrs. Parks
[scifinoir2] Earthsea
I can buy this on DVD for about $12. Is it worth getting even at this low price? Meta Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Movie Reviews: 'The Golden Compass'
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Movie Reviews: 'The Golden Compass' I'm confused about the title. I have a copy of Pullman's book, (I haven't read it yet.:-)) but the first book of the three is called 'Northern Lights', so where does 'The Golden Compass' title comes from? I've had 'His Dark Materials' for years, but was a bit apprehensive to start fearing that it wouldn't be a good read. Is it? Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: Movie Reviews: 'The Golden Compass'
Right. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meta, I think that's the alternate title of it. I know that, sometimes, books are released on different continents under different titles and I *think* you're in Europe, right? Meta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Movie Reviews: 'The Golden Compass' I'm confused about the title. I have a copy of Pullman's book, (I haven't read it yet.:-)) but the first book of the three is called 'Northern Lights', so where does 'The Golden Compass' title comes from? I've had 'His Dark Materials' for years, but was a bit apprehensive to start fearing that it wouldn't be a good read. Is it? Meta There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Television Question
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i hope when you get old, you'll put your false teeth in backwards and bite yourself to death (returning snide laugh) Ha, ha. Mind if I steal this line? Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith
We certainly are, Tracey. Just ask my husband.:-) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Smart man. I think that trumps a Baltimore woman. Of course, you guys all know from experience with me that we Philly women are as meek as church mice...right, Right, RIGHT?!?!?!? :) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, James A. Landrith, Jr. james@ wrote: Bronx woman. (James sits in corner, quietly minding Ps and Qs for 14 years and counting) ___ Sent with SnapperMail www.snappermail.com .. Original Message ... On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:23:13 -0800 (PST) Astromancer cwbadie@ wrote: (whispering close to the screen after shutting study room doors) It aint just Baltimore women...
[scifinoir2] Re: National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of getting Kira set next year, maybe we will try Brio wooden tracks too. Are they easy to assemble. Brio tracks are very easy for young children. When my son was about three I bought them for him and he had no problem assembling them at all. They're not cheap cost wise, but as they last forever it averages out in the long run. Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: Vampire Diaries Coming to CW
I'm starting to miss the days when vampires actually had 'bite'. I just can't bring myself to care about 'Calipires'. Just too Hollywood for me. I prefer mine with a bit more depth. Have not read nor seen Twilight nor do I care to. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: Vampire Diaries Coming to CW Scream writer Kevin Williamson brings vamps back to network TV. The CW is getting into the vampire business. Nikki Finke reports on http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/primetime-pilot-panic-vampire-on-cw/ deadlinehollywoodnews.com that the network has ordered Vampire Diaries for the 2009-2010 season. Based on a series of books about a love triangle between a high school girl and two vampire brothers, the series comes from Scream and Dawson's Creek writer Kevin Williamson http://stars.ign.com/objects/914/914625.html . The CW targets a young female demographic that obviously has been quite passionate for recent vampire projects like True Blood http://tv.ign.com/objects/888/888633.html and Twilight http://movies.ign.com/objects/142/14208481.html , and even CBS's cancelled Moonlight http://tv.ign.com/objects/906/906438.html had a dedicated following (and about seven million viewers per episode that the CW would love to have for any of their shows). While it's probably safe to assume that Twilight's huge success helped get Vampire Diaries on the air and led to the book series being re-launched recently, it's worth noting that the Vampire Diaries books actually pre-date Twilight by many years, having begun in 1991. http://tv.ign.com/articles/983/983919p1.html
[scifinoir2] Re: Despite cast shakeup Dr Who still popular
Dr Who is one of the few shows that will make my children step away from their computers. I HAVE to check online each week to make sure of the time its on, or I'll be kicked out of the family.:-) I've loved this show for years and still do. I don't know how they seem to get it right every time. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it's even bigger this season. The third ep of the new series was postponed bya football game, and the protests from fans lit up the BBC3 switchboards all night long. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the 1980s ended, it seemed as if the world had somehow had enough of Doctor Who. Many believed that the stories had fallen out of luster, and that was just from the people who had yet to outgrow the series and noticed it was still even on. Revival attempts were bantied about in the nearly two decades that followed, but even then, no one believed that Doctor Who would return to the top of the ratings heap in the United Kingdom. The thing is, it has -- even after a major cast shakeup the past two seasons. The third season of Doctor Who featuring David Tennant and Freema Agyeman is surprising analysts across the island as it continues to bring in more than 8 million viewers each week, giving it an audience share of around 40 percent, Variety reports. While 8 million might be considered a good average audience in the United States, in Queen Elizabeth II country, that makes it one of the highest rated television programs, and probably makes BBC wish they could insert some commercials. There was a tremendous amount of excitement when the series returned in 2005 with Christopher Eccleston as The Doctor and Billie Piper as his companion, Rose Tyler. And fans quickly fell in love with both characters and their portrayers. But that lineup would only last one season. And in fact, by the time the third season began on BBC One a few weeks ago, both actors were long gone. But the viewers weren't. Only Coronation Street and EastEnders -- two very popular soap operas -- get better ratings in the United Kingdom, Variety reported. With the return of the Daleks and a season finale producers say will make previous finales look like walks in the park, it looks like Doctor Who will be around for a long time to come. Doctor Who airs Saturdays on BBC One, and is expected to begin airing in the United States on SciFi Channel in the fall. http://www.syfyportal.com/news423534.html Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Rick Berman to write book about Star Trek
Well, something I can stock up on to feed the fireplace during those long winter nigths... Don't, they'll probably give off toxic fumes... Oyabun of Beats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [source: http://trekmovie.com/2007/04/20/berman-to-write-book-on-trek- experience/] Berman To Write Book On Trek Experience April 20, 2007 by Anthony Pascale
[scifinoir2] Re: Freema Agyeman Axed From â Doctor Whoâ
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo Doctor Who fan group, Martin, What Who group is it? I'd love to join in. My entire family is mad for the show. We nearly had a family break down last time the show was preempted. It the only show, outside of The Simpsons that my children will stop everything to watch. Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor Who fan
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Father's Day was on my local PBS station last night. This was one of the best episodes featuring the Ninth Doctor I've ever seen. I hate commercials. I will only watch Doctor Who without commercials from now on, because I HAD to have seen this episode on Skiffy, but there was probably a commercial on, so I turned the channel and never came back to the show. There's no way I've been paying attention to this show. It's been on too long for me to feel like this is a brand new series. This means I'm getting a bunch of the older episodes on DVD. So, here's a question we haven't had here in a long while: Who was the best Doctor? Where should I start my collection? Daryle You can watch Who and Torchwood with this link, plus behind the scenes, etc. from both shows. http://tv-links.co.uk Mac
[scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor Who fan
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Father's Day was on my local PBS station last night. This was one of the best episodes featuring the Ninth Doctor I've ever seen. I hate commercials. I will only watch Doctor Who without commercials from now on, because I HAD to have seen this episode on Skiffy, but there was probably a commercial on, so I turned the channel and never came back to the show. There's no way I've been paying attention to this show. It's been on too long for me to feel like this is a brand new series. This means I'm getting a bunch of the older episodes on DVD. So, here's a question we haven't had here in a long while: Who was the best Doctor? Where should I start my collection? Daryle Having seen all The Doctors I really can't say the word 'best' is applicable here. They all seem to be able to take the show in the direction that works best for them. At the moment I'm all into the current Doctor, but if I look at past Doctors I still can't/won't say one is better/worse. I like them all for what they bring to the myth. Start your collection any where, imo. you're in a win-win situation. Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: I was on BET's S.O.B
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Said Kakese Dibinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay folks, stop cringing.. The episode that I shot on BET's SOB aired last night, but I didn't see it. I went to what I thought was a job interview... We'll I found a link to the segment on youtube. Since none of you have ever seen me, I'm the African man wearing a green suit. http://youtube.com/watch?v=UEvcMK0JOKs Enjoy, Said Wow! I thought at first the other 'applicants' were part of the show. Nice to see that you wasn't going for it right from the start and you did let the $$ change your mind. I will be showing this to my children. Thanks, Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: Twins separated at birth met and married
I have to thank you as well, Tracy. When I joined this list it really was for the sci/fi and while I still like that aspect of the list, I stay because even though I've never met any of you good people face to face, I feel a kindred with most of you. Sometimes I feel left out because of the talk of shows, etc that haven't as yet made it this side of the pond, but with all the other things that get discussed,debated, etc. I find myself here nearly every day. I've learned so much of what is going on in this world and especially America from you guys and I thank you all for teaching me about so many things I didn't know or understand. I may not join in many discussions but know that I'm absorbing all the good 'mind food' I can here. Thanks, Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks guys. I was just thinking scifinoir was no longer a scifi list, but a life sharing list. I can not take credit for nurturing it, but I am glad it happened. I think you should be applauding yourselves. Martin wrote: Three cheers for Tracey! Hip-hip HOORAY! Hip-hip HOORAY! Hip-hip HOORAY! Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God bless you, Martin. I think we do that for each other. You know, I played football on a team in Newark, NJ after I got out of the Air Force. I was primarily a defensive safety, and we were one tough team! And you know where our strength came from? Each other. See, when we huddled before each play, we held hands. So much strength and support flowed between us... That's what I feel here, with all of us. I think it's pretty cool that we started with a shared passion, and that has grown into what we have, with the passion still our glue, of course. And kudos to Mama Tracey for nurturing our deviations from the main subject, and allowing us to become so close... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:55 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married Reece, your words give me joy every day, and I'm in sore need of it these days. I'm beginning to look at you as a role model. Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com yahoo.com wrote: Sigh...I know. I tend to attempt to lighten up potentially painful/heavy subjects with sick humor...a gift I developed during my cop days...LOL! And Martin, I know I don't have to say this to you, but I'm sure you know my twisted humor is in NO way meant to take anything away from the very human and touching parts of your life. In fact, they hit home for me... I have a son who was born April 15, 1968. I was preparing to head to the Philippines. He was born David William Jennings. At 8 months, he was adopted, and his name was changed. I won't put it here. You never know...well, until 1998, I had no idea what his adopted name was, or anything about him. Then I stumbled across his mother. We had a brief connection in 1967 (what a choice of word!) that lead to her pregnancy. I did a search of his name on the fledgling internet, and 2 names popped up. A VERY unique first and last name helped, so I called the Junior name. My son answered, and I gently probed until I found out he had no idea that I existed. So...I dropped the 'F'-bomb (FATHER) on him. I am your biological father. I gave him information about me. He, of course, was blown out. He said he couldn't talk right then. About 5 hours later I received a phone call from a very blunt, intense woman. She grilled me about his mother, our meeting, where the mom was from...during the conversation...I mean interrogation...I figured that she was his wife. It wasn't like she didn't give me clues... What are you to my husband? was a big one! After about 30 minutes, I guess she saw that I wasn't the least bit defensive, I answered every painful question she had. So she handed the phone to my son. We talked, shared information, laughed, and marveled at how parallel our lives were. That is the ONLY conversation we have ever had. It was summer 1998. I have sent him letters and pictures, and he has responded with the same. It turns out that the lady was his wife, and she is from Spain. He sent me a wonderful picture of him in his 1st Calvary army officer dress blues with her. I also saw his helicopter on the internet
[scifinoir2] A follow-up book -Re: OT: African American Lives 2 on PBS
Here is a link to the site of William Loren Katz. He is the author of a book called, 'Black Indians: A Hidden Heritage'. I read this book about twenty years ago. http://www.williamlkatz.com/ The book is still available at Amazon. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how many Natives owned slaves? I used to think they there was this--brotherhood--between Blacks and Natives, as we fought against a common enemy. So many of us have Native blood, after all. And there's so many stories of mixed blood people who became great explorers, lawmen, or soldiers. But i hear more about them enslaving us, and read bout things like the recent push for some tribes to deny people with African heritige membership in the tribe. Makes me wonder... What's the deal with Gates' website? -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Don Cheadle story was really interesting. I live in a county just outside of Charlotte that was Indian Land for a very very long time after slavery. I am now curious as to whether or not the tribes that lived here owned slaves. This series is great family viewing, and even though it's on in February, it's refreshing. I also think it could be a great way to drive traffic to Dr. Gates' new website, but I didn't see a mention of it during the show. On 2/6/08 10:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonight I watched âAfrican American Lives 2â°, the PBS special in which Henry âSkipâ° Gates does genealogical history for several stars. Gotta admit, I was a little doubtful about the show this time around. Not the concept, which is cool. I was thinking that watching the lives of the rich and famous would leave me a bit cold. Give this chance to more of us regular folk, I thought. The rich folk have enough money to get this done on their own. But I have to say it moved me. Putting aside their celebrity and just seeing them as Black people like meËwith hopes and dreams and sad and glorious stories in their pastsËI was really able to get into it. Skip Gates digs up some amazing history on the ancestry of these stars (and one âregularâ° person chosen for the show). The people are often moved to tears as they find out about ancestors who were state senators, donated land for schools to be built, were owned by Natives, fought in the Civil War, etc. The biggest shock of all is Tom Joyne r, who discovers that two of his uncles were electrocuted in South Carolina for a crime they didnât commit, along with three other Blacks--all in the same day. Great show, I highly recommend you check PBS schedule to see when it airs again. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/?campaign=pbshomefeatures_2_africanamericanliv es2_2008-02-06 http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/about.html ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICAN LIVES 2 Series Overview Building on the widespread acclaim of African American Lives (2006) and Oprah's Roots (2007), AFRICAN AMERICAN LIVES 2 again journeys deep into ancestry of an all-new group of remarkable individuals, offering an in-depth look at the African-American experience and race relations throughout U.S. history. Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. returns as series host, guiding genealogical investigations down through the 20th century, Reconstruction, slavery and early U.S. history, and presenting cutting-edge genetic analysis that locates participants' ancestors in Africa, Europe and America. Joining Professor Gates in the new broadcast are poet Maya Angelou, author Bliss Broyard, actor Don Cheadle, actor Morgan Freeman, theologian Peter Gomes, publisher Linda Johnson Rice, athlete Jackie Joyner-Kersee, radio personality Tom Joyner, comedian Chris Rock, music legend Tina Turner, and college administrator Kathleen Henderson, who was selected from more than 2,000 applicants to have her family history researched and DNA tested alongside the series' well-known guests. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Newspaper front pages from around the world covering the Inauguration
Hi, Click on this link to see the front pages of newspapers from around the world, covering President Barack Obama's inauguration. You should be able to click on a paper to enlarge it. http://c6.going.com/obama/inauguration_headlines.html Meta
[scifinoir2] OT Super Bowl
BBC One is airing the entire game. I'm so happy!!! Meta
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] OT Super Bowl
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Hope that you enjoyed it! Yes I did. Thanks. This was the first time in 23yrs. that I got to watch the game as it was happening. I even got the chance to call home to do some game talk with my Sister and Niece. Fantastic!!! Especially since The Steelers won!! Meta BBC One is airing the entire game. I'm so happy!!! Meta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Leverage Renewed
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, keithbjohn...@... wrote: How do you like Leverage compared to the British series Hustle? I enjoyed that show, it had a black man in the lead-and a very good actor to boot. Doesn't seem to have ever really caught on in America during its run... Hustle's back and so is Adrian Lester as the lead. Meta
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Leverage Renewed
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Really? They're making new eps? And Lester is back? When did that happen? And why did he leave the show in the first place? The sixth ep. of this new season is on tomorrow. He left to try his craft in 'Hollywoe' but he found he wasn't interested in the tripe they were trying to sell him. He's to good for them anyway. Meta
[RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
I have seen the movie and I loved it. My feelings about this non-issue is the same as yours. I just will not be drawn into a convoluted argument about Trek loyalties. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb justinmoha...@... wrote: Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 sincere1...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon-- right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but what the frack!?! Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the verge of destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes of the old world they built a new one--eliminating povert! y
[RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
I was a near instance Picard fan, mainly because he was the total opposite of Kirk. If Kirk had been killed at anytime during TOS, I'd have leaped for joy.:) I really didn't like him until the movies appeared. Watching the movie today I found myself really liking this Kirk, much to my surprise.:) Quinto was outstanding,IMO. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: One more thing, Do any of you remember when people torn down TNG during its premier. How about Picard. He is now among some more beloved than Kirk, yet many were prepared to start a rebellion when the series premiered. I think some of the traditionalists will eventually adapt and learn to separate enjoy and gripe. Griping can be fun From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Mohareb Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 sincere1...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon--right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost
[scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
For me it indeed 'felt' like Trek. I guess its a case of YMMV. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 sincere1...@... wrote: GW, You've hit the proverbial nail on the head. It was a good movie, I enjoyed much of it, but it didn't *feel* like Trek. And when some people hear my complaints they think I'm trying to be a purist or that I don't like the timeline/alternate reality change. And that's not it at all. I'm not one of those folks who was griping because there was a woman in charge on Voyager or because Picard didn't go around fighting everyone like Kirk did. I like those kinds of changes. I think the timeline/alternate reality thing is bold--even if I'll miss the old guys. No, my issues lay on whether this new Trek will still continue in the vision that (imho) gave the stories such a massive fanbase and following. Sin/Black Galactus --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, GWashin891@ wrote: In a message dated 5/10/09 11:45:06 AM, adrianne.brennan@ writes: I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences. At least in the Doctor Who reboots they made a great effort to at least keep with the spirit of the show and it's cannonal history. Even if they did change it. And inspite of those changes it, In short still 'felt' like Doctor Who. -GTW ** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376999x1201454299/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=62amp; bcd=May51009AvgfooterNO62)
[scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Martin, I'll take it if you don't want it, especially wrapped in those C-notes. You can, of course keep Gabrielle, my flow don't go THAT way.:) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Not even if you were to buy me the Special Edition DVD when it came out, wrapped that in C-notes and had it hand-delivered to me by Gabrielle Union in an old-school Uhura uniform. (Let 'em doubt my sincerity NOW.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:14:32 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Câmon, not even on DVD, the Internet or cable? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Fate, I'm on the record. Best I can do is to give it a lot of thought. In recent months, I've resisted seeing a lot of movies I was told I *had* to see, almost all of which turned out to be crap. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 12:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Martin, Tracey and Bosco are correct. Just go and see it and enjoy it for what it's worth. my wife and i saw it last night, and we both liked it, and trust me. when i saw she liked a sci-fi movie, that is a feat! Fate. --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Tracey de Morsella wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 2:48 PM Martin: Why canât you see it absorb it, enjoy it if possible and then come home and complain about the inconsistencies, Like Galactigus did From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:01 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Dude This movie is GREAT. Miss it if you must but it's GREAT. Did I mention it's frakin GREAT. I really think you're cheating yourself by taking a stand against without having seen it. Seriously. God that movie was GREAT. Bosco --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 12:45 PM Adrianne, I've never thought of Doctor Who as a reboot, merely a restart. The nature of the show itself allows for far more flexibility in storytelling. The same can be said for Trek, but there are established events that formed the show's collective mythos. IMO, those events are being juggled, solely to make money. Yes, it's the Way of All Things. I don't have to accept it. I won't. I'll NEVER see this movie, not on cable, not on free TV, not even if someone were to send it to me, wrapped in C-notes. I'd send it right back. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 11:43:31 -0400 From : Adrianne Brennan To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, wrote: In a message dated 5/10/09 4:24:35 AM, sincere1906@ gmail.com writes: My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see... MHO Sin/Black Galactus I was about to stay silent on this but the paragraph above prompted me to put my .02 cents in. What Sin/Black Galactus stated is something I call The Galactica Syndrome. That is you got a show based on a earlier project that while forming it's own
[scifinoir2] Re: `Star Wars' kid Abrams aims to reinvent `Trek' world
In early Trekdom the term Trekkie was well used by the media whenever they did a usually not flattering story about Trek fans, so many older fans preferred to be called Trekker over the other name. Having been a Trek fan from day one I still prefer Trekker That said I really don't care what name is used. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It changed back, Keith? A few years ago, I used Trekkie and got my head bitten off by someone who *insisted* on Trekker. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i hear Nimoy was pleased, so I'll keep an open mind. By the way, Mr. Abrams, it's Trekkie, not Trekker. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080501/ap_en_mo/film_star_trek By DAVID GERMAIN, AP Movie WriterThu May 1, 7:28 AM ET J.J. Abrams grew up more a fan of Luke Skywalker and Han Solo than of James Kirk and his Vulcan buddy Spock. So why is a self-professed Star Wars kid directing Star Trek? It was an opportunity to take what I think has been a maligned world to sound crass, a franchise and treat it in a way that made it something that I wanted to see, said Abrams, who recently finished shooting on Star Trek, due in theaters May 8, 2009. To take the characters, the thoughtfulness, the personalities, the sense of adventure, the idea of humanity working together, the sense of social commentary and innovation, all that stuff. To take it and apply it in a way that felt genuinely thrilling. Abrams, creator of TV's Lost and Alias whose big-screen credits include Mission: Impossible III, shared some Trek thoughts with The Associated Press in an interview to promote the DVD release of his monster movie Cloverfield. While he enjoyed the TV show about Capt. Kirk, First Officer Spock and their Enterprise crew mates, Abrams said he was not a rabid fan. In this age of make-or-break opening weekends, the revival of the franchise seven years after the last movie (Star Trek: Nemesis) flopped may depend on introducing a new generation to the exploits of the 23rd century explorers rather than just hooking old fans. The whole point was to try to make this movie for fans of movies, not fans of `Star Trek,' necessarily,' Abrams said. If you're a fan, we've got one of the writers who's a devout Trekker, so we were able to make sure we were serving the people who are completely enamored with `Star Trek.' But we are not making the movie for that contingent alone. You can't really make a movie for them. As soon as you start to guess what you think they are going to want to see, you're in trouble. You have to make the movie in many ways for what you want to see yourself, make a movie you believe in. Then you're not second-guessing an audience you don't really have an understanding of. After the 1960s TV show went off the air, it remained alive in syndication, and the original cast led by William Shatner as Kirk and Leonard Nimoy as Spock was reunited for six big-screen movies. Four more movies followed starring Patrick Stewart and the cast of the 1980s and '90s update Star Trek: The Next Generation, while the Trek universe expanded to include three other TV series. Abrams' Star Trek takes the franchise back to its beginning, with a young cast re-creating the Enterprise crew: Chris Pine as Kirk, Zachary Quinto as Spock, Karl Urban as Dr. McCoy, Simon Pegg as engineer Scott, John Cho as helmsman Sulu, Zoe Saldana as communications officer Uhura and Anton Yelchin as navigator Chekov. It's a chance to see what Kirk and Spock would look like done now, Abrams said. What's thrilling about it is how great the cast is, how remarkably talented and funny and just spot-on they all are. Nimoy also reprises his role as the older Spock, though Shatner whose Kirk was killed at the end of the seventh movie, Star Trek: Generations does not appear. Abrams would not share plot details, saying only that the movie would remain faithful to the original while breaking new ground in action, drama and visual effects, which are being crafted by Star Wars creator George Lucas' Industrial Light and Magic outfit. I feel like this is so unlike what you expect, so unlike the `Star Trek' you've seen. At the same time, it's being true to what's come before, honoring it, Abrams said. I can say the effects for `Star Trek' have never, ever been done like this. ... I can only tell you the idea of the universe of `Star Trek' has never been given this kind of treatment. Copyright © 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over
[scifinoir2] Re: `Star Wars' kid Abrams aims to reinvent `Trek' world
I feel your pain.:-) I always found it rather crazy that the most devout fans of IDIC, could go all postal with anyone who dared to use Trekkie. I figure there is worst things to be called.:-) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know of just as many older fans who prefer Trekkie myself included (been watching faithfully for 36 years) but as you so, it's not the most important thing around. it's only when I say Trekkie and get attacked that I take umbrage. -- Original message -- From: Meta [EMAIL PROTECTED] In early Trekdom the term Trekkie was well used by the media whenever they did a usually not flattering story about Trek fans, so many older fans preferred to be called Trekker over the other name. Having been a Trek fan from day one I still prefer Trekker That said I really don't care what name is used. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin truthseeker_013@ wrote: It changed back, Keith? A few years ago, I used Trekkie and got my head bitten off by someone who *insisted* on Trekker. KeithBJohnson@ wrote: i hear Nimoy was pleased, so I'll keep an open mind. By the way, Mr. Abrams, it's Trekkie, not Trekker. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080501/ap_en_mo/film_star_trek By DAVID GERMAIN, AP Movie WriterThu May 1, 7:28 AM ET J.J. Abrams grew up more a fan of Luke Skywalker and Han Solo than of James Kirk and his Vulcan buddy Spock. So why is a self-professed Star Wars kid directing Star Trek? It was an opportunity to take what I think has been a maligned world to sound crass, a franchise and treat it in a way that made it something that I wanted to see, said Abrams, who recently finished shooting on Star Trek, due in theaters May 8, 2009. To take the characters, the thoughtfulness, the personalities, the sense of adventure, the idea of humanity working together, the sense of social commentary and innovation, all that stuff. To take it and apply it in a way that felt genuinely thrilling. Abrams, creator of TV's Lost and Alias whose big-screen credits include Mission: Impossible III, shared some Trek thoughts with The Associated Press in an interview to promote the DVD release of his monster movie Cloverfield. While he enjoyed the TV show about Capt. Kirk, First Officer Spock and their Enterprise crew mates, Abrams said he was not a rabid fan. In this age of make-or-break opening weekends, the revival of the franchise seven years after the last movie (Star Trek: Nemesis) flopped may depend on introducing a new generation to the exploits of the 23rd century explorers rather than just hooking old fans. The whole point was to try to make this movie for fans of movies, not fans of `Star Trek,' necessarily,' Abrams said. If you're a fan, we've got one of the writers who's a devout Trekker, so we were able to make sure we were serving the people who are completely enamored with `Star Trek.' But we are not making the movie for that contingent alone. You can't really make a movie for them. As soon as you start to guess what you think they are going to want to see, you're in trouble. You have to make the movie in many ways for what you want to see yourself, make a movie you believe in. Then you're not second-guessing an audience you don't really have an understanding of. After the 1960s TV show went off the air, it remained alive in syndication, and the original cast led by William Shatner as Kirk and Leonard Nimoy as Spock was reunited for six big-screen movies. Four more movies followed starring Patrick Stewart and the cast of the 1980s and '90s update Star Trek: The Next Generation, while the Trek universe expanded to include three other TV series. Abrams' Star Trek takes the franchise back to its beginning, with a young cast re-creating the Enterprise crew: Chris Pine as Kirk, Zachary Quinto as Spock, Karl Urban as Dr. McCoy, Simon Pegg as engineer Scott, John Cho as helmsman Sulu, Zoe Saldana as communications officer Uhura and Anton Yelchin as navigator Chekov. It's a chance to see what Kirk and Spock would look like done now, Abrams said. What's thrilling about it is how great the cast is, how remarkably talented and funny and just spot-on they all are. Nimoy also reprises his role as the older Spock, though Shatner whose Kirk was killed at the end of the seventh movie, Star Trek: Generations does not appear. Abrams would not share plot details, saying only that the movie would remain faithful to the original while breaking new ground in action, drama and visual effects, which are being crafted by Star Wars creator George Lucas' Industrial Light and Magic outfit. I feel like this is so unlike what you expect, so unlike the `Star Trek' you've seen. At the same time, it's being
[scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surf The Channel has last nights ep. 'The Doctor's Daughter' uploaded. http://www.surfthechannel.com/ Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who: Planet of the Ood
I'm with you on this. I've always liked that we are used in a matter of fact way in this show, which is one reason why I like watching them with my children. They get to see that we're not super bad nor super good, just regular folk. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought about the fact the black man was the principal slave driver and the Indian woman was both a collaborator and an apologist for a clearly corrupt business enterprise. And it occurred to me that it didn't bother me because of the matter-of-fact way minorities are integrated into these stories. I think of another of my favorite Who episodes - the one where the Dyleks are using depression era humans to build the Empire State Building - where the leader of the Central Park squatter's camp and the most heroic and moral person in the episode is a black man. It is this even-handedness that makes me a fan of the latest incarnation of the good doctor. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb justinmohareb@ wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:37 AM, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Diana: Being with you I can't tell what's right or wrong anymore. Doctor: It's better that way. Psst. Donna. I am not a fan of Catherine Tate, a big horsey woman who sort of clumps around eating scenery. That said, I found The Planet of the Ood to be both a great episode and a trenchant meditation on the nature of slavery - a pretty amazing accomplishment in a 50 minute teleplay. There were several elements about this episode that I found appealing. As usual, I like the multicultural cast which included both a black man and an Indian woman in prominent roles. I liked the Ood, a race of peace loving octopi-heads who have been enslaved in a particularly diabolical way. Were there any thoughts on the fact the black character in this was the slave driver of the piece? JJ Mohareb -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
[scifinoir2] Re: *Still* Confident in My Manhood - My SATC Experience
I loved your review. I have to admit that I'm more eager to see Iron Man then SATC. I have watched the show some, but after a bit, all of them made me just want to scream. I'm just not that crazy about superficial suffering, plus they get on my nerves with all that fashion stuff.:-) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MY SATC Experience This past weekend, as payback for our seeing Iron Man (twice) and Narnia, and after countless successful attempts at avoiding going to see Made of Honor, I finally had to give in to my wife, and go see a movie of *her* choosing. The movie we went to see? Well, let me give you a hint: it didn't have fedora-sporting action heroes or psycho murderers. It had nothing to do with space aliens or superheroes. After all, it was her turn to pick the movie, and I knew what would be on the bill. Indeed, as we drove around Atlanta on Saturday, enjoying the sunny day, I didn't even bother *asking* Do you want to see a movie? let alone, What movie do you want to see? We both knew what was on the agenda: the inevitable, inescapable call of the quartet of saucy\crazy\messed up\dysfunctional\emotionally stunted women who make up Sex and the City. She knew, I knew it, so rather than waste words I just drove for the theatre, going to meet my fate like a man trudging from the death house to the gas chamber. So to the death house I went, dropping my wife off, watching her bound eagerly from the car like a gazelle, while I tried to find a parking spotno easy feat given that the whole city of Atlanta seemed to be there. Walking longingly past the posters of Downey in his high tech armor (hey good that movie's good enough to see a third time!) I entered a theatre packed with hordes of excited women. And I mean hordes. They were everywhere: young women, old women, women in small groups, women in large groups, all chattering excitedly. White women, Latin women, and surprisingly to me for a show with no Black star outside of Blair Underwood's brief stintlots and lots of black women, also chattering excitedly. And yes, there were men too, though they were outnumbered a good four or five to one, from what I saw. But they were there, some dudes like me, with looks of resignation or desperation on their faces, some with looks of profound boredom, hanging on to the arm of their excitedly chattering mate. There were a fair number of older dudes who seemed pretty much okay with their fates. (Guess when you've been married since the Cold War, compromise is a way of life). About the only guys I saw who really seemed to *want* to be there were those who'd come in groups with othermen, and they were chattering excitedly amongst themselves every bit as much as the women. The oddest thing to me, a non-fan, was the way some women were dressed: there were women dressed up in near formal wear, as if going out to a fancy dinner. There were lots of young girls (many of the black ones), in serious party clothes: short skirts, exposed midriffs, bright colors, lots of makeup. At first I honestly thought that some kind of photo shoot or marketing event was going on. But no, looking around I realized this was all about Sex and the City and its dedication to fashion. I watched enough of the series to know that the main star was known for her love of fashion, especially shoes, and that the clothes the women wore were often as much a part of the show as the characters themselves. So no, no model photo shoot, no radio station sponsored clothing contest, just a bunch of excited women paying homage to a show they love. Kinda like dress up at a midnight showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show, just with better fashion, and no burnt toast. Inside, the movie experience itself was a trip. The first half hour, as Carrie and the love of her life Big (the big nosed dude from Law and Order's early days) talked about getting married, was really slow to me. Lots of bad one-liners, characters making *sure* they portrayed their clichéd selves to the hilt: the nympho, the uptight lawyer, the Pollyanna, the I-can't-live-without-Big. Nothing super clever or earth-shattering taking place, just more of the same old-same old from the series, from what I could tell. And yet, while bored out of my gourd, I noticed that everyone around me was really enjoying it. The smallest joke would bring guffaws of laughter, the most predictable plot devices elicited oohs and he ain't worth it! from all over the theatre. At one point in the early going, when I was already wondering if I could take another two hours of recycled jokes and predictable plotting, I took at look the people around me. Everywhere, everyone was sitting transfixed, eyes straight ahead and twinkling with merriment, faces to a man and woman frozen with the goofiest grins. There could be just a shot of a building onscreen, and people would be grinning. Two characters hugging, and people are grinning
[scifinoir2] Re: *Still* Confident in My Manhood - My SATC Experience
Ha Ha, good one. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, this is hilarious. Your reportage is so spot on, I felt like I was there! I will not be spending first run money to see Sex because I don't believe you should have to pay for Sex. I will wait until Sex is free (or, at the very least, inexpensive). ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: MY SATC Experience This past weekend, as payback for our seeing Iron Man (twice) and Narnia, and after countless successful attempts at avoiding going to see Made of Honor, I finally had to give in to my wife, and go see a movie of *her* choosing. The movie we went to see? Well, let me give you a hint: it didn't have fedora-sporting action heroes or psycho murderers. It had nothing to do with space aliens or superheroes. After all, it was her turn to pick the movie, and I knew what would be on the bill. Indeed, as we drove around Atlanta on Saturday, enjoying the sunny day, I didn't even bother *asking* Do you want to see a movie? let alone, What movie do you want to see? We both knew what was on the agenda: the inevitable, inescapable call of the quartet of saucy\crazy\messed up\dysfunctional\emotionally stunted women who make up Sex and the City. She knew, I knew it, so rather than waste words I just drove for the theatre, going to meet my fate like a man trudging from the death house to the gas chamber. So to the death house I went, dropping my wife off, watching her bound eagerly from the car like a gazelle, while I tried to find a parking spotno easy feat given that the whole city of Atlanta seemed to be there. Walking longingly past the posters of Downey in his high tech armor (hey good that movie's good enough to see a third time!) I entered a theatre packed with hordes of excited women. And I mean hordes. They were everywhere: young women, old women, women in small groups, women in large groups, all chattering excitedly. White women, Latin women, and surprisingly to me for a show with no Black star outside of Blair Underwood's brief stintlots and lots of black women, also chattering excitedly. And yes, there were men too, though they were outnumbered a good four or five to one, from what I saw. But they were there, some dudes like me, with looks of resignation or desperation on their faces, some with looks of profound boredom, hanging on to the arm of their excitedly chattering mate. There were a fair number of older dudes who seemed pretty much okay with their fates. (Guess when you've been married since the Cold War, compromise is a way of life). About the only guys I saw who really seemed to *want* to be there were those who'd come in groups with othermen, and they were chattering excitedly amongst themselves every bit as much as the women. The oddest thing to me, a non-fan, was the way some women were dressed: there were women dressed up in near formal wear, as if going out to a fancy dinner. There were lots of young girls (many of the black ones), in serious party clothes: short skirts, exposed midriffs, bright colors, lots of makeup. At first I honestly thought that some kind of photo shoot or marketing event was going on. But no, looking around I realized this was all about Sex and the City and its dedication to fashion. I watched enough of the series to know that the main star was known for her love of fashion, especially shoes, and that the clothes the women wore were often as much a part of the show as the characters themselves. So no, no model photo shoot, no radio station sponsored clothing contest, just a bunch of excited women paying homage to a show they love. Kinda like dress up at a midnight showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show, just with better fashion, and no burnt toast. Inside, the movie experience itself was a trip. The first half hour, as Carrie and the love of her life Big (the big nosed dude from Law and Order's early days) talked about getting married, was really slow to me. Lots of bad one-liners, characters making *sure* they portrayed their clichéd selves to the hilt: the nympho, the uptight lawyer, the Pollyanna, the I-can't-live-without-Big. Nothing super clever or earth-shattering taking place, just more of the same old- same old from the series, from what I could tell. And yet, while bored out of my gourd, I noticed that everyone around me was really enjoying it. The smallest joke would bring guffaws of laughter, the most predictable plot devices elicited oohs and he ain't worth it! from all over the theatre. At one point in the early going, when I was already wondering if I could take another two hours of recycled jokes and predictable plotting, I took at look the people around me. Everywhere, everyone was sitting transfixed, eyes straight ahead
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--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the couple of shows I saw were a bit...disturbing. A lot of aductions, desmemberings, kidnappings and torturing and rapes. It seemed to deal with the sickest of the sick, and women were often the victims. Made me a bit queasy I know what you mean. Being a Mandy fan, I decided to check this show out, I think I managed to watch about 10 mins. and couldn't take it anymore. Way to dark for me. Meta -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. I knew the name, I just couldn't think of it. I liked it ok when I saw it. --- On Tue, 6/10/08, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dead Like Me on HDNET To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 7:47 PM Bosco, that show was Criminal Minds. The ladies here must be asleep, not to know a Shemar show... Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] comgt; wrote: He was out of the Dead Like Me Movie because of other commitments, a network crime show who's name escapes me. If the series gets a green light for rebirth, he is rumored to be returning. he's off the network crime show so it's seems at least plausible that they may bring it back B --- On Tue, 6/10/08, Tracey de Morsella amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] aladvantage. comamp;gt; wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] aladvantage. comamp;gt; Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dead Like Me on HDNET To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 10:09 AM What is up with him and his imploding or disappearing on shows and plays. He is a great talent, but he struggles to stick with stuff. I can think of 3 or 4 shows that happened with and I remember reading that it happened with a few plays as well -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dead Like Me on HDNET I believe Mandy Patikin will be absent but other than that, we get everyone back. B --- On Tue, 6/10/08, ravenadal amp;amp;lt;ravenadal@ yahoo. comamp;amp;gt; wrote: From: ravenadal amp;amp;lt;ravenadal@ yahoo. comamp;amp;gt; Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dead Like Me on HDNET To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 6:26 AM Will the entire cast be in the movie? I am particularly fond of Jasmine Guy's performance as the perpetually sour meter maid. ~rave! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Bosco Bosco amp;amp;lt;ironpigs3@ . ..amp;amp;gt; wrote: amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; It's a direct to DVD release due next month I think. I heard Ellen Muth was saying there is a possibility of a series return. amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; I loved this and Wonder Falls. amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; B amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; --- On Mon, 6/9/08, Tracey de Morsella amp;amp;lt;tdlists@ ... amp;amp;gt; wrote: amp;amp;gt; From: Tracey de Morsella amp;amp;lt;tdlists@ ... amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Dead Like Me on HDNET amp;amp;gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com amp;amp;gt; Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 11:27 PM amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; I think a movie is coming out soon amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; -Original Message- amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com] On amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; Behalf Of ravenadal amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:47 PM amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; Subject: [scifinoir2] Dead Like Me on HDNET amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; I just finished watching an episode of Dead Like Me on HDNET. Man, amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; I love this show! amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; ~rave! amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; - - -- amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; amp;amp;gt; Yahoo! Groups Links amp;amp;gt; [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - - -- Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: frivilous doctor who gossip
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, marian_changling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gossip from a DW list I finally got a chance to see this episode of SciFi Friday night. Is Doctor Who in danger of becoming the Law and Order of Great Britain? Will Jenny get her own series? Doctor Who already has 2 descendent series.(Not that I am complaining, given the state of SF television over here in the States.) If I were a bookmaker I'd offer even odds on Jenny Who going to series. Returning in a later episode of DW? I wouldn't be taking bets! Showbiz gossip: Georgia Moffett, who played Jenny, is the real-life daughter of Peter Davison who played the Fifth Doctor. Furthermore while filming The Doctor's Daughter she and David Tennant became quite close, to the point that they are dating seriously now. So in a sense the Doctor is dating his daughter, a few regenerations removed. :) E, now did you REALLY have to go there.:-) Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: Fwd: Fw: CORN STARCH
Neat, but did you know that if you mix cornstarch and white glue you end up with cold porcelain clay? Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is from the Ellen show and is very interesting: CORN STARCH I knew corn starch had a weird consistency but never in my wildest dreams did I think one could do this. Watch, even if you don't like Ellen http://Ellen.warnerbros.com/2008/02/steve_spangler_do_not_try_this.php
[scifinoir2] Re: Dead Like Me on HDNET
Yes, I know he was referring to Criminal Minds. I liked Dead Like Me. I hope they do bring it back. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Keith was commenting on another Mandy Patikin show, Criminal Minds, not Dead Like Me. Perhaps Keith can clear that up. I don't remember any rapes, abductions, torture or dismembering on Dead Like Me. It was dark but it wasn't that dark. B --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Meta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Meta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dead Like Me on HDNET To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 10:27 AM --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: gt; gt; the couple of shows I saw were a bit...disturbing. A lot of aductions, desmemberings, kidnappings and torturing and rapes. It seemed to deal with the sickest of the sick, and women were often the victims. Made me a bit queasy gt; gt; I know what you mean. Being a Mandy fan, I decided to check this show out, I think I managed to watch about 10 mins. and couldn't take it anymore. Way to dark for me. Meta -- Original message -- gt; From: Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ ..gt; gt; Thanks. I knew the name, I just couldn't think of it. I liked it ok when I saw it. gt; gt; --- On Tue, 6/10/08, Martin truthseeker_ 013@ wrote: gt; From: Martin truthseeker_ 013@ gt; Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dead Like Me on HDNET gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com gt; Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 7:47 PM gt; gt; Bosco, that show was Criminal Minds. The ladies here must be asleep, not to know a Shemar show... gt; gt; Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] comamp;gt; wrote: He was out of the Dead Like Me Movie because of other commitments, a network crime show who's name escapes me. If the series gets a green light for rebirth, he is rumored to be returning. he's off the network crime show so it's seems at least plausible that they may bring it back gt; gt; B gt; gt; --- On Tue, 6/10/08, Tracey de Morsella amp;amp;lt;tdlists@ multicultur aladvantage. comamp;amp;gt; wrote: gt; gt; From: Tracey de Morsella amp;amp;lt;tdlists@ multicultur aladvantage. comamp;amp;gt; gt; gt; Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dead Like Me on HDNET gt; gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com gt; gt; Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 10:09 AM gt; gt; What is up with him and his imploding or disappearing on shows and plays. gt; gt; He is a great talent, but he struggles to stick with stuff. I can think of gt; gt; 3 or 4 shows that happened with and I remember reading that it happened with gt; gt; a few plays as well gt; gt; -Original Message- gt; gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com] On gt; gt; Behalf Of Bosco Bosco gt; gt; Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:31 AM gt; gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com gt; gt; Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dead Like Me on HDNET gt; gt; I believe Mandy Patikin will be absent but other than that, we get everyone gt; gt; back. gt; gt; B gt; gt; --- On Tue, 6/10/08, ravenadal amp;amp;amp;lt; ravenadal@ yahoo. comamp;amp;amp; gt; wrote: gt; gt; From: ravenadal amp;amp;amp;lt; ravenadal@ yahoo. comamp;amp;amp; gt; gt; gt; Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dead Like Me on HDNET gt; gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com gt; gt; Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 6:26 AM gt; gt; Will the entire cast be in the movie? I am particularly fond of gt; gt; Jasmine Guy's performance as the perpetually sour meter maid. gt; gt; ~rave! gt; gt; --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Bosco Bosco amp;amp;amp;lt; ironpigs3@ . ..amp;amp;amp;gt; gt; gt; wrote: gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; It's a direct to DVD release due next month I think. I heard Ellen gt; gt; Muth was saying there is a possibility of a series return. gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; I loved this and Wonder Falls. gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; B gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; --- On Mon, 6/9/08, Tracey de Morsella amp;amp;amp;lt; tdlists@ ... amp;amp;amp;gt; wrote: gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; From: Tracey de Morsella amp;amp;amp;lt; tdlists@ ... amp;amp;amp;gt; gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Dead Like Me on HDNET gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 11:27 PM gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt; gt; gt; amp;amp;amp;gt
[scifinoir2] Re: Is Watchmen in Trouble?
I'll second this, and usually I don't do self pain at all.:-) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I beg you to go right now at this moment, no matter what else is going on, and rent or buy V for Vendetta. If you are disappointed, I will hit myself in the head with a rock. Bosco --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is Watchmen in Trouble? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 6:57 AM Keith, I ahven't seen V for Vendetta yet. From Hell ranks as one of my favorites.
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What exactly does the term 'cougar' mean? I just saw this on a story on Yahoo about older women/younger men couples and. I've never heard the term before. Is there a older men/younger women equivalent? Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the next Catwoman will be a cougar. Sorry, couldn't resist. i guess Madonna was too busy for the role. Ok, I'll stop now. I guess Nolan will have a different take than the traditional Catwoman. The sexual tension between the two will definitely have very different overtones than other portrayals. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, moondancerdrake moondancerdrake@ wrote: Cher's 63 and last I saw of her on one of those great stage outfits she's looks 30 so to many she still counts as hot. Considering the effort made by the entertainment industry and the media to paint older woman as used up and undesirable, I'd love to see her get a chance to do this role. I'd also love to have a body like hers now, much less in my 60s. Moondancer --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: Dude, Catwoman is supposed to be hot...Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry...Hello! And Cher is like, what, 100 years old? I know Estelle Getty just passed away but weren't any of the other Golden Girls were available? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I was wondering why there was such a strong reaction against Cher by some folks on the list? B --- On Mon, 8/25/08, StreetForce1 streetforce1@ wrote: From: StreetForce1 streetforce1@ Subject: [scifinoir2] Cher's the Next Catwoman? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:50 PM Sent to you by StreetForce1 via Google Reader: Cher's the Next Catwoman? via Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton by Perez Hilton on 8/25/08 We thought this was a joke, but The Telegraph is a respected newspaper. According to the UK's Telegraph, Academy Award-winner and music icon Cher is in talks to play Catwoman opposite Christian Bale in the third installment of the revamped Batman film franchise. A studio executive reportedly said, Cher is Nolan's (director) first choice to play Catwoman. He wants to her to portray her like a vamp in her twilight years. The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations. Crazy! What do U think about Cher as Catwoman? [Image via WENN.] Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
[scifinoir2] Re: Hustle
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rerun Fridays at 7 pm Eastern. What intrigues me about the show is that the lead star is a young Black man. It's actor Adrian Lester, who was seen in Primary Colors. Somehow I doubt an American show like this would give the cool lead role to a Brother. I've enjoyed all the Hustle series. Adrian Lester is exceptional in it and he carries the show very well. One of the things I like about living outside the U.S.is you get to see images of Blackness in all its variations. Especially from the BBC. They don't seem to be afraid to let the lead be colors other than White and the type factor isn't always on show or used so heavyhanded. Meta Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Taking Black Family Trees Out of Slavery's Shadow
If I'm not mistaken what byou propose was done by the BBC a year or so ago. I understand what you are saying, because that was sort of what I felt when I visited the website of the show. Once again American TV gives us entertainment instead of info. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started watching it, but for some reason the fact that it was mostly celebrities--rich ones at that--irritated me. I turned to my wife and said Of all the people who can afford to pay for a team to get this done, these people can. I know, they're no less real than me, and their stories are compelling and of immense interest to them. I just think, that in this time of media saturation and celebrity overexposure, I'd have found the show more interesting if everyday people like me had been chronicled. Those are the people who'd benefit from a magical and empowering journey of self-discovery like this. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 18:34 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Taking Black Family Trees Out of Slavery's Shadow http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/ http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/01/arts/television/01heff.html?_r=1 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/01/arts/television/01heff.html?_r=1inca mp=articl\ incamp=articl\ e_popularpagewanted=printoref=slogin This DNA technology is fascinating to me. It has been a boon to the black man (the so called African-American). It is no longer so easy to send a black man to jail for a crime a white man committed. And it is now possible to determine who your ancestors be. One of the things that have kept me from traveling to Africa was not knowing where, on that great continent, my ancestors were from. In other words, it wouldn't exactly be going home unless you knew where home was. One of the interesting tidbits from the series: Oprah Winfrey doesn't have a drop of European blood in her DNA. I guess you gotta be a true black woman to love white people the way she do. I slept on the first episode...the second airs February 8th. February 1, 2006 TV Review | 'African American Lives' Taking Black Family Trees Out of Slavery's Shadow By VIRGINIA HEFFERNAN The idea that race is a function of language, myth, social conventions and even personal style captivated academic circles in the 1990's. The concept was a boon for philosophers and literary critics, who churned out books on how racial codes are engineered and deployed. Some of this work was called deconstruction. The literary critic Henry Louis Gates Jr., now chairman of the African and African American Studies department at Harvard, wrote with particular force and imagination on those themes. As provocative as the best of those books were - and, sure, the worst of them were fanciful, jargony and obscure - they lacked drama and suspense. Great novels did not come out of this way of regarding race; it inspired more analysis than narrative. In fact, despite its passion for storytelling in the abstract, 90's race philosophy didn't generate many actual stories. Its proponents were too busy writing theory. That has changed, and a less rarefied way of thinking about race has tapped a miraculous wellspring of great American stories. Tonight African American Lives, a four-hour series, begins on PBS; it's the most exciting and stirring documentary on any subject to appear on television in a long time. Once again, Professor Gates, the program's host and an executive producer, is first among academics to exploit the dramatic potential of the new intellectual apparatus - only this time, it's genealogy, science and DNA analysis. In spite of its uninspired title (Professor Gates, what were you thinking?), African American Lives is a quest romance. It chronicles the exhilarating search by nine black Americans, including Professor Gates, for their ancestry. Of course, it adds to the documentary's excitement that many of the nine are serious celebrities, including Quincy Jones, Chris Tucker, Bishop T. D. Jakes, Whoopi Goldberg and Oprah Winfrey. The others - the surgeon Ben Carson, the astronaut Mae Jemison and the Harvard professor Sara Lawrence-Lightfoot - are no less distinguished. The not-so-muted question of African American Lives is: what's the genetic recipe for these superstars? As Professor Gates points out on the first of tonight's two episodes, most African-Americans lack complete family trees, and he admits to envying American friends who can find records of their relatives' immigration through Ellis Island. It turns out that a discontinuity - the making of an exception - is, in fact, one of the first components of family life that Professor Gates uncovers in interviews with his guests. For many, that break seems to be the starting point of their identities. Ms
[scifinoir2] OT: Gov. madness isn't exclusively a U.S. thing.
This is the latest proposal from a member of a political group here in The Netherlands. Meta Abort 'unloved' Antilleans, says Rotterdam politician 20 February 2006 AMSTERDAM Alderman Marianne van den Anker for the Leefbaar Rotterdam (LR) party has called for a debate in Rotterdam on compulsory abortion and contraception for mothers she believes are responsible for raising unloved babies that fall victim to child abuse. SWA, a foundation promoting health among Antilleans and Arubans in Rotterdam, said the alderman's comments were degrading. It called on the Mayor Ivo Opstelten and the LR's coalition partners, the Christian Democrat (CDA) and Liberal (VVD) parties, to distance themselves from Van den Anker's views. She has also received dozens of emails criticising her ideas. As legal experts pointed out, Van den Anker's plan would never be permitted, a CDA spokesperson warned: If Leefbaar Rotterdam raises this idea in the talks to form a new coalition, the CDA will not be part of such an executive. The VVD said women had a right to control their own bodies and the government could not interfere. Van den Anker is a mother of two children and the official in charge of Rotterdam's health and security portfolios. She is also a candidate in the local elections. In an interview in newspaper 'NRC Handelsblad' on Saturday, she said she had tried everything to prevent child abuse. I fail, I fail, she told the interviewer as she outlined her controversial idea for a debate on compulsory abortion and contraception. The three target groups she has in mind are Antillean teenage mothers; drug addicts and people with mental handicaps. Van den Anker said children from these groups run an unacceptable risk of growing up without love and with violence, neglect, mistreatment and sexual abuse. The exceptions, are there are some, can be counted on a pair of hands, she said. The politician told the newspaper the courts would decide on whether abortion was the right option. The decision would be based on experts and care workers who who can see in 95 percent or even 100 percent of cases whether the child has a chance of growing up with love. Van den Anker supported her argument by suggesting that there were a lot of Antillean youth gangs in Rotterdam whose members come from loveless homes. The gangs, she said, committed rapes, were loverboys (pimps) and guilty of street terror. Antillean youths who commit serious crimes have been through everything themselves. History repeats itself and they visit the tragedy of their life history on others, she said. [Copyright Expatica News + ANP 2006] Subject: Dutch news Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Black Folx Working on Films Everywhere
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bolletjesbluesdefilm.nl/ I hope its not another gangsta movie. 'bolletjes' is Dutch slang for cocaine, etc. and is used in reference to drug smugglers( the ones who swallow bags). I haven't heard anything about it here, but I'll keep my eyes and ears open for it. Meta Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who Premieres on Sci Fi Channel Friday Night!
No date has been announced, only that the new season starts in the spring. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Cat Corley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think David Tenant did a good job as well. I actually thought that the Christmas Invasion was the beginning of the new season. I still haven't heard an actual date for the new season . You? Cat On 3/18/06, Meta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Cat Corley catcorley@ wrote: I loved it. It's a show that takes you on an adventure. I miss shows with weird aliens and costumes. There should be more rubber masks and puppets. I love it as well. There's nothing wrong with cheesy sci/fi, if its good cheese.:) Christopher Eccleston was also in The Others with Nicole Kidman. He supposedly quit the show after 1 season because he was going to be in the DaVinci Code movie. I haven't seen his name in the credits yet. He didn't want to be typecasted as The Doctor either. Don't worry, however his replacement picks up the ball very well. Cat On 3/16/06, KeithBJohnson@ KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Believe it or don't, I never watched the famed Dr. Who from back in the day. I saw Tom Baker (?), watched a few minutes of some shows, but never got into it. What can I say? I was a goofy kid who was too focused on Star Trek, Lost in Space, Land of the Giants, etc. The only British fare I was hooked on was Monty Python. Never saw *any* of the Brit sci fi shows. But now's my chance! The highly anticipated and highly praised revival of Dr. Who (from 2005), premieres tomorrow night on Sci Fi Channel. I'm hearing rave reviews about it. I hear fully 44% of all British households tuned in for the premiere last year! I hear the new Doctor is decidedly different, but liked. I believe I saw the actor play a military leader in 28 Days Later? ** The Time Lord enters a new age. Christopher Eccleston's Doctor is wise, funny and brave, an adventurer in time and space. His detached logic gives him a vital edge when the world's in danger. But when it comes to human relationships, he can be found wanting. That's why he needs Rose. Rose Tyler is a shop-girl from the present day, trapped in a dull existence. From the moment she and the Doctor meet, they are soulmates; they understand and complement each other. With nothing to hold Rose back neither her over-bearing mum nor her hapless boyfriend she chooses to devote herself to the Doctor and his promise of fantastic adventures across the universe. And he doesn't let her down . At the 2005 National Television Awards, voted for by the British public, Doctor Who scooped three of the top prizes: Most Popular Drama, Most Popular Actor (Christopher Eccleston) and Most Popular Actress (Billie Piper). So don't delay hop into the Tardis and get ready for the adventure of a lifetime (or two or three or 12 ) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who Premieres on Sci Fi Channel Friday Night!
I'm in The Netherlands, but we get BBC 12, plus many other shows shown on Dutch TV. I'm thinking of getting sat., because then I can see other British channels. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, I should get some UK friends. They have a really interesting scifi world, I've noticed. I do read a great mag, Dreamwatch, based in Britain, and love it. Anyone on the group hail from Britain? How'd you manage to see the series before anyone else? Was it available on DVD before Sci Fi showed it, or do you have a satellite setup that gets British TV? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cat Corley Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 04:34 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who Premieres on Sci Fi Channel Friday Night! Keith, you gotta get some pals in the UK :) Yes, you are correct Eccleston is the one from 2005 and the one that you are now seeing on the SciFi channel. I saw those last year but I'm still rewatching them on the SciFi channel. Cat On 3/18/06, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Eccleston the one on the series from 2005, the one on the Sci Fi Channel's current run? When did you get a chance to see the replacement already? I thought the series was being delayed in release time from the UK to the US. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Meta Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 05:09 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who Premieres on Sci Fi Channel Friday Night! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Cat Corley catcorley@ wrote: I loved it. It's a show that takes you on an adventure. I miss shows with weird aliens and costumes. There should be more rubber masks and puppets. I love it as well. There's nothing wrong with cheesy sci/fi, if its good cheese.:) Christopher Eccleston was also in The Others with Nicole Kidman. He supposedly quit the show after 1 season because he was going to be in the DaVinci Code movie. I haven't seen his name in the credits yet. He didn't want to be typecasted as The Doctor either. Don't worry, however his replacement picks up the ball very well. Cat On 3/16/06, KeithBJohnson@ KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Believe it or don't, I never watched the famed Dr. Who from back in the day. I saw Tom Baker (?), watched a few minutes of some shows, but never got into it. What can I say? I was a goofy kid who was too focused on Star Trek, Lost in Space, Land of the Giants, etc. The only British fare I was hooked on was Monty Python. Never saw *any* of the Brit sci fi shows. But now's my chance! The highly anticipated and highly praised revival of Dr. Who (from 2005), premieres tomorrow night on Sci Fi Channel. I'm hearing rave reviews about it. I hear fully 44% of all British households tuned in for the premiere last year! I hear the new Doctor is decidedly different, but liked. I believe I saw the actor play a military leader in 28 Days Later? SPONSORED LINKS Science http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Science+fiction+and+fantasyw1=Scie nce+fiction+and+fantasyw2=Genre+magazinec=2s=53.sig=8s5ldQicr16mMwkM wHGybg fiction and fantasy Genre http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Genre+magazinew1=Science+fiction+a nd+fantasyw2=Genre+magazinec=2s=53.sig=6x48yHym4cI_VD4C3GisSg magazine _ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group scifinoir2 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2 on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . _ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who Premieres on Sci Fi Channel Friday Night!
Replace him, as usual. Its sort of expected to always have new Doctors. We're on our ninth one; tenth or eleventh, if you count the 'Made for TV' and the movie Doctor. Waiting to see how the new guy does is part of the fun of the show.:) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the guy who played Dr. Who has already quit the series? What will they do now? The Others is one of my favorite movies. I loved it. Saw it for the first time on a cold, cloudy day with mist all in the air, and the slow suspense of the movie fit the day perfectly. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cat Corley Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 01:15 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who Premieres on Sci Fi Channel Friday Night! I loved it. It's a show that takes you on an adventure. I miss shows with weird aliens and costumes. There should be more rubber masks and puppets. Christopher Eccleston was also in The Others with Nicole Kidman. He supposedly quit the show after 1 season because he was going to be in the DaVinci Code movie. I haven't seen his name in the credits yet. Cat On 3/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Believe it or don't, I never watched the famed Dr. Who from back in the day. I saw Tom Baker (?), watched a few minutes of some shows, but never got into it. What can I say? I was a goofy kid who was too focused on Star Trek, Lost in Space, Land of the Giants, etc. The only British fare I was hooked on was Monty Python. Never saw *any* of the Brit sci fi shows. But now's my chance! The highly anticipated and highly praised revival of Dr. Who (from 2005), premieres tomorrow night on Sci Fi Channel. I'm hearing rave reviews about it. I hear fully 44% of all British households tuned in for the premiere last year! I hear the new Doctor is decidedly different, but liked. I believe I saw the actor play a military leader in 28 Days Later? ** The Time Lord enters a new age. Christopher Eccleston's Doctor is wise, funny and brave, an adventurer in time and space. His detached logic gives him a vital edge when the world's in danger. But when it comes to human relationships, he can be found wanting. That's why he needs Rose. Rose Tyler is a shop-girl from the present day, trapped in a dull existence. From the moment she and the Doctor meet, they are soulmates; they understand and complement each other. With nothing to hold Rose back - neither her over-bearing mum nor her hapless boyfriend - she chooses to devote herself to the Doctor and his promise of fantastic adventures across the universe. And he doesn't let her down.. At the 2005 National Television Awards, voted for by the British public, Doctor Who scooped three of the top prizes: Most Popular Drama, Most Popular Actor (Christopher Eccleston) and Most Popular Actress (Billie Piper). So don't delay - hop into the Tardis and get ready for the adventure of a lifetime (or two or three or 12.) Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who Premieres on Sci Fi Channel Friday Night!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess this won't be a spoiler for anyone, but is each incarnation of the Doctor supposed to be the same guy in a different body? I read something to that effect... Not really. It seems as if each incarnation retains some quirks from the past ones ( sort of like an after image.), but on the whole they are different people and tend to react to things in their own special way. Meta Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Goofing around with Web searches on Doctor Who
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, let's just call me a collector and collator of facts obscure and wondrous! I knew that about Piper after reading her bio at the Dr. Who site. I like her as Rose. Whaddya think? I actually want to see more of her boyfriend. The Brother who plays him has an impressive acting pedigree, with some respected awards to his credit. But the way he was cringing and running during the battle had me rolling! He'd be great in other situations, kinda like a modern-day Dr. Smith who'd probably have to be shamed by his girlfriend into doing anything really heroic. I like that Mickey, because he's just a normal guy being confronted with and learning to deal with abnormal events. He's not streetwise, bad-assed; hard; worldly; rapping, or any of the other things he could have been portrayed as, and yet he still can be the hero, even if its forced on him at times and that is what I like. He does the right thing when he's called upon to do so. I'll take that over the born hero any day. Meta Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who Premieres on Sci Fi Channel Friday Night!
No, he get recycled.:) He regenerates into another person. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there's a separate physical being that's put inside a humanoid shell? -- Original message -- From: Cat Corley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, he's basically a Trill :) Cat On 3/19/06, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess this won't be a spoiler for anyone, but is each incarnation of the Doctor supposed to be the same guy in a different body? I read something to that effect... SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Goofing around with Web searches on Doctor Who
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agrree. I saw actor Steve Harris (The Practice, the wife beater from Diary of a Mad Black Woman) on Tavis Smiley last night, and he said much the same thing. He was talking about Hollywood tendencies to stereotype Blacks at both ends of the spectrum: either bad to the bone streetwise (I've come to hate that word!) thugs, or, conversely, saintly heroes who are too perfect and who often are treated like sexless eunuchs with no lives (that last is mine). At any rate, Harris was also saying he'd like to see more Blacks just portrayed as regular guys with good and bad qualities. Than his best chance of seeing that is watching films, etc from just about anywhere other than America. Sadly The Netherlands seems to be headed for the 'Hollywood other' route. I hope its just a phase. Meta Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Goofing around with Web searches on Doctor Who
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In what way are (is?) The Netherlands headed the Hollywood route? In terms of treatments of peoples of color, or just in general? If the former, is it portraying us as from the stereotypical 'hood, or the unrealistic good guys? The first two. The term for a non-Nederlader is Allochtoon, which translate to 'the other'. Nearly all the ills of society is the fault of the allochtoonen. The immigration laws are being geared towards keeping non-western immigrants out. These people have buy a Dutch course and then have to prove via a telephone test (They must pay for the course and test themselves and it ain't cheap) that they know enough dutch culture and language to pass a pre-entry test before they can get permission to enter the country, and the ones that do make it in has to jump through the hoop of the Dutch inbergering course (A course that a majority of the Dutch failed, when they aired the national inbergering couse program on tv recently. It seems to take years to learn enough to pass the course, only because they assume people taking the course are uneducated. The main scapegoats are Muslims, Turks, Antilleans and Surinamese. By the way, does Netherlands mean anything in the language? It means 'Lowlands' and since a good portion of present day Netherlands is below sea level thats a perfect name for it. btw. 'Holland' the name that most people know the country by is really just the name of two province of the Netherlands, North and South Holland. I know nether usually refers to the lower or hidden regions of something, such as the nether regions of Hell or the nether regions of one's body (no offense meant by either!) None taken. According to some ex-pats both explanations would be correct. If you want to see how some expats feel about the country check out the forum of this expat site. http://tinyurl.com/syjyj It gets pretty heated in there at times. Meta Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Going Dutch wasRe: Goofing around with Web searches on Doctor Who
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been hearing about problems in Amsterdam, correct? Concerning Muslims on the council who've been trying to enact laws based on conservative Islamic views, such as controlling what women can wear, movies shown, etc. Any truth to that? I've heard of one instance where a islamic school wouldn't hire a teacher because she wouldn't wear headcovering. Things exploded after a filmmaker was killed here because he made a film that many felt was blasphemous towards Islam, plus two other politians had to go into hiding for the same reason. Actually the man who killed the guy was very mentally disturbed. The thing with the other two is still not clear to me. IMO. that situation was and still is being used as fuel to work up the fence sitters of racism here. Offical News and TV coverage here isn't much different from the states, which is why I'm a steady user of the Net for news updates. The minister of immigration wanted to have a law put in place that made it illegal to speak any language other than Dutch outside of your home. This was suggested as a way to become more acccepted by the native dutch people, otherwise they think you're talking about them. This follows a suggestion about a year ago from another politician that people should be made to speak only Dutch at home. This was so all those Muslim women 'made' to stay in the house could become more 'westernized'. Now I've lived here for twenty years and have run across only one family where this went on and I know that it had nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with how the male really needed mental health treatment. It seems as if every time they open their mouths some rediculous new laws are being proposed for the good of 'the people'of course. It was also 'suggested'that young unmarried Antillean women be made to have abortions, to prevent the child from growing up unloved. http://tinyurl.com/osn3z Stuff like this is going on all the time here. Meta Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Will America Watch Watchmen?
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In perfect honesty, the more I hear about it through ads and discussions in all of the SF groups I'm in, the *less* I want to see it. When it's released, I'll probably break out my trade and read it through. I'm reading this now. I'd never heard of it until it was mentioned here. Living outside for so long I find I did/do miss a lot of interesting stuff out there. I'm so glad I joined this group. Thanks All. Anyway, from what I've read so far of Watchmen I just don't see how it can be done as live action. Seems to me that what works in comic form rarely translate when real people are involved. I'm so glad you guys get to test the waters before I do.:-) Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: Will America Watch Watchmen?
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meta: I relate. While living in Mexico, even though I was only one country over, I felt disconnected... particularly from Scifi TV and movies I can't remember where you live. Is it the Netherlands? Yes, I live in the Netherlands. I'm lucky to be able to find a lot of the shows mentioned here on Surf The Channel. While I have the time I go there and watch the shows and movies. Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: Another Option For Watching Shows Online
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tvcorn.com/ Bosco Thank you much. Meta
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Tennant to quit Dr Who
I think its just that he's had enough of being The Doctor and would like to do other things, like theater and so forth. I like that he wants to end on a high note instead of beating the role to death. It seems a lot easier to escape typecasting over the pond. I've seen actors take on so many different roles with such ease over here. I think the opportunities here are much broader than in the US. btw: one of the actors they were touting on the breakfast show on BBC today is a Black guy. I can't remember his name, but I've seen him in various things on BBC. I don't actually think he'll get the part, but sometimes 'auntie' can surprise. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He'd have to turn blonde not to be seen as hey! it's the Doctor! from now on. It's too late. Chris was able to get away with being in Heroes, but Chris wasn't the most popular Doctor. Patrick Stewart should sit him down and ;et him know that three more years in the TARDIS may drive him crazy, but it won't ruin his career. On Oct 30, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Daryle, maybe he's trying to get away from being typecast. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Tennant to quit Dr Who Date : Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:28:28 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com His last show will probably be the most watched episode in the history of science fiction. If he's not leaving to be the new Q in the James Bond movies, I don't know what would possess him to leave. On Oct 30, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: I had this sad news through another of my groups this morning. Let me be the first to thank Mr Tennant for his great work, and the first to pose the question, Who replaces him? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Tennant to quit Dr Who Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:52:18 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart To : SciFi Noir David Tennant has announced that he is vacating the Tardis and leaving the BBC's Doctor Who series at the end of next year. Tennant's decision brings to an end his popular four-year tenure as the time lord. The BBC confirmed that the Scottish actor will complete the filming of four special episodes to be screened this year and in early 2010, as well as 2009's Christmas special. Tennant broke the news of his departure at the National Television Awards as he accepted the outstanding drama performance prize. He said: When Doctor Who returns in 2010 it won't be with me. The 2009 shows will be my last playing the doctor. If I don't take a deep breath and move on now, I never will. Speaking about his time on the show, Tennant added: It has been the most brilliant and life-changing time. But it's not over yet, I have a whole other year to go. Thank you for being so enthusiastic about the show, for watching it, and loving it.
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Tennant to quit Dr Who
The guy they talked about wasn't Adrian, but since I'm a great fan of his works, it would do my heart,and eyes good to have him as The Doctor.:-) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The actor they were discussing is Adrian Lester. Adrian Lester as the Doctor would be incredible. And, quite possible. On Oct 30, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Meta wrote: I think its just that he's had enough of being The Doctor and would like to do other things, like theater and so forth. I like that he wants to end on a high note instead of beating the role to death. It seems a lot easier to escape typecasting over the pond. I've seen actors take on so many different roles with such ease over here. I think the opportunities here are much broader than in the US. btw: one of the actors they were touting on the breakfast show on BBC today is a Black guy. I can't remember his name, but I've seen him in various things on BBC. I don't actually think he'll get the part, but sometimes 'auntie' can surprise. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart daryle@ wrote: He'd have to turn blonde not to be seen as hey! it's the Doctor! from now on. It's too late. Chris was able to get away with being in Heroes, but Chris wasn't the most popular Doctor. Patrick Stewart should sit him down and ;et him know that three more years in the TARDIS may drive him crazy, but it won't ruin his career. On Oct 30, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Daryle, maybe he's trying to get away from being typecast. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Tennant to quit Dr Who Date : Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:28:28 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart daryle@ To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com His last show will probably be the most watched episode in the history of science fiction. If he's not leaving to be the new Q in the James Bond movies, I don't know what would possess him to leave. On Oct 30, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: I had this sad news through another of my groups this morning. Let me be the first to thank Mr Tennant for his great work, and the first to pose the question, Who replaces him? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Tennant to quit Dr Who Date : Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:52:18 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart To : SciFi Noir David Tennant has announced that he is vacating the Tardis and leaving the BBC's Doctor Who series at the end of next year. Tennant's decision brings to an end his popular four-year tenure as the time lord. The BBC confirmed that the Scottish actor will complete the filming of four special episodes to be screened this year and in early 2010, as well as 2009's Christmas special. Tennant broke the news of his departure at the National Television Awards as he accepted the outstanding drama performance prize. He said: When Doctor Who returns in 2010 it won't be with me. The 2009 shows will be my last playing the doctor. If I don't take a deep breath and move on now, I never will. Speaking about his time on the show, Tennant added: It has been the most brilliant and life-changing time. But it's not over yet, I have a whole other year to go. Thank you for being so enthusiastic about the show, for watching it, and loving it.
[scifinoir2] Re: Black Dr. Who
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joseph To Be First Black Doctor? It wasn't him either,but he can well handle the task. Actually there are so many black Brits who could take on the role and work it. I've heard rumors of maybe an American, but I sincerely hope they don't go there. This role is quintessentially Brit. Meta
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Tennant to quit Dr Who
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry. I'm taking a wait and see on this one. Mostly because the Doc is a major sci-fi figures. However, if anyone would do something like this it would be the BBC (as they have a good track record on putting blacks in lead/major roles). And Adrian would be the best choice for it. However I can see lots of (mostly white) yank Who fans heads poping even at the thought of a black doctor who. -GTW :-) :-( Meta
[scifinoir2] A night to remember!!!!!!
For the first time in my adult life I am REALLY proud of my country. Thank you to America's new FIRST FAMILY Meta
[scifinoir2] A night to remember!!!!!!
For the first time in my adult life I am REALLY proud of my country. Thank you to America's new FIRST FAMILY Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: Ford on Indy V
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never watched the fourth installment of the series. Reviews were mixed, and I tend to get irritated when a Young So-and-So (Indy's son, played by Shia Labeouf) is introduced into a franchise. I also heard the movie had more obvious CGI than previous versions, which is actually against the spirit of what Lucas and Spielberg had done in the past. The best I heard from people who saw it was that it was entertaining. Was it any good? I actually liked the Indy parts, but I could have done with out that kid and his tough(?)self. I found nearly every moment he appeared on screen less than ideal. I also thought the ending wasn't of much use to see. It sort of just hung there. I'm still debating about buying it, well actually I'm just waiting until its included in the box set. Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: New Star Trek Trailer (Thoughts?)
The more I hear the more this sounds like an AU fan fiction brought to life. I'm just waiting to see if its going to be good fan fiction or not. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. The parts of the ship were constructed in San Fran, so Iowa makes no sense. if you're going to go that route, the desert would then be the most logical place to build starships. I could see shipyards in arid New Mexico or Arizona. Yeah, we'll have to see if Abrams' reboot gets the feel right. I'm curious about this rewritten backstory as well, and still can't figure how the crew from the series is brought together at such a young age. It's just illogical. Wasn't Sulu head of astrophysics at that time? -- Original message -- From: Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another HUGE problem with assembling the Enterprise on Earth is that not only is it on Earth...It's in IOWA. How convenient. One discussion I had with another guy who runs a movie trailer site is that TOS people are going to have to swallow a really big pill with this story. If you've seen The Cage and Where No Man Has Gone Before, you know that Spock and Kirk really have no history. Spock was loyal to Pike for many years, and Kirk's best friend was his helmsman when he took over the ship. Sulu was Chief Mathematician or some position like that. These details are important, and are basically being ignored. On Nov 23, 2008, at 10:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a long discussion in the last few weeks about a bunch of still shots from the movie, but I don't know that anyone was aware of these new trailers. I certainly wasn't. I just watched them and they look great, but i have some questions. JJ Abrams is an amazing action director, and I know the movie will rock in terms of FX, action, and overall look. I just hope that the more solid background of what makes Trek Trek is maintained. That is to say, for me, Star Trek has actually never been about the ships, the battles, the gadgets, the special effects. Those are icing to the cake of the people and the purpose of the franchise, which was to explore where humanity might go in the future, and how we'll bring our better selves to a whole new galaxy of discovery. I'm the guy who loves The Search for Spock because of its deep exploration of the bonds that made the NCC-1701 crew great (while most think it's a boring flick, preferring the action of The Wrath of Khan, or the humour of The Voyage Home). I remember the conversations and emotional reveals as much as I do the Neck Pinches, Doomsday Machines, and Klingon Battle Cruise rs. I find the early s hows of the first season of the OS, with their heavy dramatic and emotional content, to be the core of what made Trek work, moreso than later shows with more fights and explosions. Trek to me is To go where no one has gone before, but it is equally Because the needs of the *one* outweigh the needs of the many. So while I know the film will be quite enjoyable, I'm curious--not doubtful, 'cause many Trek insiders have vetted it--but curious as to how much of that emotional heart of Trek Abrams can convey, especially in this odd Early Years take when the crew haven't yet worked together to form those bonds. And I wonder how he'll go from this film to any possible sequels? Will we then jump to the mainstream time of the series, with Kirk in the command chair, Spock as XO, and the rest? If so, then maybe we look at this reboot like the Trek movies 2, 3, and 4, which conveyed, respectively, action, emotion, and humour. In that case, maybe the later films will explore and grow the emotional depth that is Trek. Don't know. One final comment. I note that the Enterprise is being built on Earth in the new flick, but the original canon says it was assembled in space. I know Abrams didn't want to do that for some reason, saying they use anti-grav to build it on Earth. Still makes more sense to me to assemble a space ship--in space! And is it me, or does the sight of guys using blowtorches or arc welders in the 23rd century just seem--odd? Surely there'd be more sophisticated ways of assembling vessels than something straight out of a 20th century shipyard, a way to make the metal flow and meld together more seamlessly and efficiently than with sparks flying all over the place? I'd hate to see a warp capable vessel lose a battle or something because some disgruntled union guy didn't use enough solder on a weld in a Jeffries Tube or something! -- Original message -- From: sincere1906 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay. I'm confused. Where is the chatter and talk about this trailer? True enough, I'm not on this site enough (2 or 3 times a month or so), which is why I usually do a search thru the archives to get in on any good convo. About the only thing I could find on the new Trek trailer released since the 17th was the rebooting of the X-Men
[scifinoir2] Re: Recommend Your Vampire Favorites
I like your picks. I'm not into hunky vampires at all. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like Martin and I said, i'm tiring of the suave, young vampire as hunk nowadays. I'm also not a real big fan of vampyrs. Nothing against them, just not in love with the genre. So my list is relatively small: Nosferatu - one of the first and one of the best Dracula (1931) - Bela Lugosi as the Count. A bit dated and camp, but still fun to watch Billy the Kid vs. Dracula -- you read that right! A Western vampire flick, so horribly bad it's a must-see! Curse of the Undead - An undead gunslinger-for-hire in the old West! Watch the priest's shirt button with a cross on it used as a killer bullet! Dance of the Vampires (aka The Fearless Vampire Killers) - Roman Polanski's comedic take was goofy, entertaining fun Dracula (1972) - the classic with Peter Cushing as Van Helsing and Christopher Lee as the Count. Gotta love using the candlesticks to make a Cross! Blacula - so bad it's good, Blaxploitation enters the realm of the Undead Salem's Lot - the original miniseries. The little vampire boy floating oustide saying Mommy, I'm cold still creeps me out. Fright Night - another fun movie about vampires, with a good modern take. The Lost Boys - the movie's a kick, vamps like some kind of fun-loving Peter Pans--who just happen to like chewing on necks! Ultraviolet - the Brit miniseries that took a new (to me) take on vamps as a misunderstood ethnic group. Good, intelligent, and atmospheric. Blade and Blade II - not like the comic, but good escapist action -- Original message -- From: tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] a few days ago, Bosco brought to our attention, a Vampire flick (Let The Right One In) that many of us likely would have missed. Are their other gems out there? Please post a list of some of your favorite vampire movies and books. Tracey
[scifinoir2] Re: Way OT: Interesting Musical Project
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Playing for Change. It's a documentary. This is one song from the film. It starts with one musician in Santa Monica and continues on adding musicians and singers from around the world. It's absolutely amazing so I had to share even though it's off topic http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-TVg40ExM http://www.playingforchange.com/ Thanks, I've now shared this as well. Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: Depp, Burton in Dark Shadows
Same here. I was watching it recently online line and it occurred to me that there was enough cheese to make a mean toasted sandwich.:) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, marian_changling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was one of those that rushed home to see Dark Shadows also. I bought the books and the soundtrack. I guess I would have bought the action figures if there had been such a thing at that time. I didn't get into normal soap operas. Dark Shadows was a goth soap opera before goth was in. By the way, I tried watching the reruns when they were shown later and I don't know what drug I was on. They were horrible in a funny way. Nevertheless, when someone tried to bring the show back again awhile back with new actors, there I was glued to the TV again for the second try. I think dark romantic tales about hopeless love will always find watchers. I liked Forever Knight for the same reason. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Thanks, what's the attraction for Dark Shadows? I was probably around eight or nine when I tried to watch it, and found it to be drab and a bit morose and depressing in its atmosphere.
[scifinoir2] Re: Is Airbender Casting Racist?
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: Is Airbender Casting Racist? I don't watch Avatar but my daughter does and she isn't happy with what has been done. She feels that its rather stupid to change the race of all the main characters of a show that was built upon cultural lines. Of course, she's only thirteen , so what does she know? Meta
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. Too bad they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much unexplored potential Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a female following they have. Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor to be announced on BBC tomorrow
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: Just in on the BBC website. They are going to announce who is going to be the next doctor on a special Confidential at 17.35 saturday evening Link here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7807742.stm Love Magic, -A Thanks for the heads-up. I've got my seat booked for tomorrow. Its a family affair here. When The Doctor is on we all watched. Had to hold off Christmas Dinner so we could watch the special last week. Loved it. Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor to be announced on BBC tomorrow
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: Just in on the BBC website. They are going to announce who is going to be the next doctor on a special Confidential at 17.35 saturday evening Link here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7807742.stm Love Magic, -A Well, now I know and all I can say is ?. Meta
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, keithbjohn...@... wrote: That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape? Trek has always had an extremely strong female following. Had it not been for females the whole franchise might have never rearose. Females started the very first drive to bring Trek back when it was in danger of being canceled after season two of TOS as well as keeping the drive going for making the move to film. We also had a strong hand in starting the original fan cons. I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be more her ability to think outside his logical box. I didn't start liking Deanna until she started dressing in uniform and I really became a fan after she played the undercover Romulan. Beverly Crusher was a fav of mine, but she was woefully underused. She was a fav of mine as well and they really had not a clue what to do with her, besides kill patients.:) I guess you'd put Janeway in the ultra butch category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the ultra fem category? I liked Janeway at first, until they turned her into a bad rendition of a female Capt. Ahab with earth as the whale. For some reason I liked Seven, okay the costume was a bit much, but I actually thought Jerry did an okay job. I never meshed with Enterprise so I can't really say much about T'pol. I do plan to watch the show from beginning to end one day. I have to, I'm a Trekkie.:) What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly well-rounded to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was tough as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a man. The DS9 ladies were as close to real women as Trek ever came, although here and there they strayed a bit. My fav was Kassidy and they sort of half-heartedly used her. Still DS9 is my favorite 'realistic' Trek. TNG's my fav 'fantasy' Trek. As for the others, Star War only had Leia and in the first movie she was just the 'bone' the heroes wanted. I do like her. One can't expect much more from Lucas, after all. I never saw all of Babylon 5, but I liked what I did see a great deal. As for Farscape, I'm still in shock that they took it off. I absolutely loved this show from beginning to end. They got it right. I'm still hoping for a movie or something. Meta
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: May I venture to throw in Leeta, also from DS9? She started out as eye candy, being a Dabo girl, but eventually became a strong character. Now it took a very long time and much patients before I could bring myself to like her, but at least she didn't go for the obvious hunky human guys. She turned out to be a good character. Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA
Wesley was Gene Wesley Roddenberry. After Roddenberry became less involved in production, etc. the role of Wesley Crusher became less intrusive. I always liked the kid.:) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: i totally agree with the assessment of young mr. crusher. genius he may be, but even being a genius has 2 give away sometimes with experience and training. the ep where he got his field promotion 2 ensign? riker and troi's mom (the late great majel) are kidnapped by the ferengi and it is wesley who recognizes the pattern in the static. good ep in that it was kool seeing wes come on the bridge in his uniform, but it was time 2 write him off the show. he was doing too much. i also noticed in STTNG: Nemesis that he did not have a speaking role, and he was in his dress whites. guess he got tired of 'traveling'? Dr. Fate --- On Sat, 1/3/09, keithbjohn...@... keithbjohn...@... wrote: From: keithbjohn...@... keithbjohn...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 2:19 AM Welcome! I'm really happy to see another Trek fan possibly as rabid as me. (We'll forgo the Trekkie vs. Trekker discussion for a bit!) I agree with you about Wesley Crusher. After a while it got silly. Remember the ep when Geordi is stranded on a plane with a Romulan, and they can't be reached because the magnetic field of the planet is so intense? Back on the Enterprise, the senior staff is sitting around saying How can we reach Geordi? and at a loss. Suddenly, Wesley gets the bright idea to send down a beacon emitting a neutrino beam. Late, when the beacon materializes on the planet, Geordi's first words are Thank you, Wesley Crusher! Even my wife--a casual Trek fan--commented, Man, that's sad. Geordi didn't even think of anyone else but Wesley as being behind that solution! -- Original message - - From: Dax nx_31...@yahoo. com Hello, I do hope that you are doing well and the rest of the group. I mean the thing to me about TNG was that I felt that Wesley was solving too many things on the ship and made me think that the senior staff was really dumb. I am sure somewhere in Star Fleet Command they were thinking the same thing. I thought that however the first Hulk was not good due to the fact that gave too much back info which made the flow of the movie slow. I think if that did not do that it would have been a great movie. In all rights I understand why they did but for die hard fans we know the hulk. We know not to make him angry! --Lavender If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate. - - - - -- From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:35 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA Hey Dax: Thanks for taking a leap and sending us your introduction. There are about 10 additional members who recently joined who I hope will follow your lead and submit their profiles as well. (HINT, HINT to those of you who have joined over the past few months. There are a lot of Dax and Sisko fans here on the list, myself included so you should feel right at home. The young nerd character irks me too, but now a new character is starting to irk me. The goth chick. Usually she is a geek hybrid. I liked the first Hulk more than most, but I did not love it. Please share with us why the first Hulk is your favorite Welcome to the group!!! Tracey -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA 1. Name: Wil Lavender 2. Location: Milledgeville GA 3. Nickname/ Alias: Dax 4. To which Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or identify(describe the character): Jadzia Dax. Old but yet fun and wise. 5. Favorite SciFi Genres: Space 6. Favorite Scifi Movies: Star Trek 7. Favorite SciFi TV or Online Shows ((canceled shows ok) Well I would have to say Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica 8. Favorite SciFi Producers and Directors: I don't have one. 9. Favorite SciFi Characters: Capt. Janeway and Capt. Sisko 10. Favorite SciFi Villain: Q 11. Favorite SciFi Comics and Graphic Novels: X men 12. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Book: 13. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Comic or Graphic Novel: X Men 14. Favorite
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: Keith, u are so right about them being under used. the exceptions for the trek series were Dax and Kira. i even liked Dax's character when she was in the alternate universe. the thing between her and Sisko was too kool! always knew he wanted 2 hit just a little bit. as 4 B5, Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick ass. smart, sexy, and tough. she was good. Farscape was good too with Claudia Black as Aeryn Sun. but then again, always had a little crush on claudia black (so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1. Dr. Fate I liked all the women in Farscape but Claudia was fantastic. The show was just the best, period. Meta
