[scifinoir2] [FYI] Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would kill Net Neutrality

2010-08-12 Thread Amy Harlib

ahar...@earthlink.net
www.freepress.org is a good place to go to fight this too.
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From: brent wodehouse brent_wodeho...@thefence.us
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:57 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] [FYI] Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would 
kill Net Neutrality

 http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/106645-dont-be-fooled-the-google-verizon-plan-would-kil/

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 http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/106645-dont-be-fooled-the-google-verizon-plan-would-kil/
 ]Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would kill Net Neutrality

 Evil

 By [ http://thephoenix.com/Boston/Authors/EDITORIAL/ ]EDITORIAL  |  August
 11, 201


 Want evidence that Google is just another avaricious, monopoly-minded
 corporate behemoth? Consider this: Google has retreated from its long-held
 support for net neutrality and teamed with Verizon to suggest that new
 laws allow Internet providers to favor some Web services over others.
 Google and Verizon also want Congress to exempt mobile devices from net
 neutrality and to limit the Federal Communications Commission's regulation
 of the Internet.

 Google and Verizon have proposed this in a very simple and undeniably
 clever way, which - unless thoughtfully considered - appears to be
 eminently reasonable.

 Under this plan, the Internet as it now exists and is currently understood
 would remain net neutral. All content would be treated as equal.

 The Internet as it develops in the future, however, would be different.
 Tiered service would be allowed.

 In other words, the giant corporate providers who effectively govern
 access and regulate traffic would be able to give preferential treatment
 to certain content or content providers.

 This is, in and of itself, a nasty piece of snake-oil salesmanship,
 especially given the speed and unpredictability with which the digital
 world evolves. But when mobile access is stirred into the brew, it becomes
 positively toxic. All trends favor more and more mobile access. Morgan
 Stanley predicts that within five years, the mobile Web will outstrip the
 desktop Internet.

 Given the extent to which the Internet governs economic development and
 the extent to which it is the medium for free speech, it is clear that the
 Google-Verizon plan is bad news. So much for Google's motto, Don't be
 evil.

 To understand this pledge, it must be considered in context. The pithy
 slogan appears as the first three words in Google's corporate code of
 conduct governing relations with investors. Yet no corporation can
 survive, let alone thrive, without turning a profit. So it stands to
 reason that Googlers (yes, that's how the company refers to its employees)
 may have a less restricted view of how to interpret the motto than, say,
 the world's non-Googlers.

 If net neutrality were a simple code of conduct, then the FCC last year
 defined it as follows: providers cannot favor their own content; they need
 to explain when and why variable Internet speeds are imposed on consumers;
 and they can not limit access to lawful content.

 As neat and clean as these principles seem, their implementation could
 prove to be difficult to impossible, thanks to the Court of Appeals for
 the DC Circuit, which in April ratified rules adopted by the Bush
 administration that were intended to derail Internet regulation.

 The court's decision undoubtedly contributed to the break-up last week of
 the closed-door discussions the FCC was holding with big Internet
 corporate players. Whether those talks should have been conducted in
 secret is now a moot point. But the parallels with former first lady
 Hillary Clinton's private health-care deliberations and Vice-President
 Dick Cheney's closed energy sessions are certainly troubling.

 Power, of course, abhors a vacuum. So while Google's joint proposal with
 Verizon was a vicious slap in the face to advocates of net neutrality -
 especially in view of the company's previous admirable support of the
 concept - under the circumstances it should come as no surprise. Consider
 the predatory vigor Google displayed when it cornered the digital market
 on books whose copyright has expired. Vito Corleone would have admired its
 ruthless elegance. However, Robert Darnton, the historian who heads
 Harvard's vast system of libraries, has been eloquent in pointing out the
 intellectual hazards of this development.

 It would be foolish to expect Congress to unplug the Google-Verizon view
 of the future. Massachusetts congressman Edward Markey has been foiled in
 his attempts to do so. But the FCC does have the power to short-circuit
 it. The FCC must reach back to precedent established since 1910 and
 declare Internet providers common carriers subject to federal
 regulation. This is not some cute form of legerdemain. It is legal
 hardball that would no doubt provoke a hotly contested lawsuit.

 If the FCC will not stand up to Google, who will? It is time

Re: [scifinoir2] [FYI] Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would kill Net Neutrality

2010-08-12 Thread Mr. Worf
I think the article is hogwash. Did everyone forget the free highspeed
service that they were offering?

Check this out:
http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/phlog/archive/2010/08/06/the-net-neutrality-spat-explained.aspx

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Amy Harlib ahar...@earthlink.net wrote:


 ahar...@earthlink.net
 www.freepress.org is a good place to go to fight this too.
 --
 From: brent wodehouse brent_wodeho...@thefence.us
 Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:57 PM
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [scifinoir2] [FYI] Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would
 kill Net Neutrality

 
 http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/106645-dont-be-fooled-the-google-verizon-plan-would-kil/
 
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 http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/106645-dont-be-fooled-the-google-verizon-plan-would-kil/
  ]Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would kill Net Neutrality
 
  Evil
 
  By [ http://thephoenix.com/Boston/Authors/EDITORIAL/ ]EDITORIAL  |
  August
  11, 201
 
 
  Want evidence that Google is just another avaricious, monopoly-minded
  corporate behemoth? Consider this: Google has retreated from its
 long-held
  support for net neutrality and teamed with Verizon to suggest that new
  laws allow Internet providers to favor some Web services over others.
  Google and Verizon also want Congress to exempt mobile devices from net
  neutrality and to limit the Federal Communications Commission's
 regulation
  of the Internet.
 
  Google and Verizon have proposed this in a very simple and undeniably
  clever way, which - unless thoughtfully considered - appears to be
  eminently reasonable.
 
  Under this plan, the Internet as it now exists and is currently
 understood
  would remain net neutral. All content would be treated as equal.
 
  The Internet as it develops in the future, however, would be different.
  Tiered service would be allowed.
 
  In other words, the giant corporate providers who effectively govern
  access and regulate traffic would be able to give preferential treatment
  to certain content or content providers.
 
  This is, in and of itself, a nasty piece of snake-oil salesmanship,
  especially given the speed and unpredictability with which the digital
  world evolves. But when mobile access is stirred into the brew, it
 becomes
  positively toxic. All trends favor more and more mobile access. Morgan
  Stanley predicts that within five years, the mobile Web will outstrip the
  desktop Internet.
 
  Given the extent to which the Internet governs economic development and
  the extent to which it is the medium for free speech, it is clear that
 the
  Google-Verizon plan is bad news. So much for Google's motto, Don't be
  evil.
 
  To understand this pledge, it must be considered in context. The pithy
  slogan appears as the first three words in Google's corporate code of
  conduct governing relations with investors. Yet no corporation can
  survive, let alone thrive, without turning a profit. So it stands to
  reason that Googlers (yes, that's how the company refers to its
 employees)
  may have a less restricted view of how to interpret the motto than, say,
  the world's non-Googlers.
 
  If net neutrality were a simple code of conduct, then the FCC last year
  defined it as follows: providers cannot favor their own content; they
 need
  to explain when and why variable Internet speeds are imposed on
 consumers;
  and they can not limit access to lawful content.
 
  As neat and clean as these principles seem, their implementation could
  prove to be difficult to impossible, thanks to the Court of Appeals for
  the DC Circuit, which in April ratified rules adopted by the Bush
  administration that were intended to derail Internet regulation.
 
  The court's decision undoubtedly contributed to the break-up last week of
  the closed-door discussions the FCC was holding with big Internet
  corporate players. Whether those talks should have been conducted in
  secret is now a moot point. But the parallels with former first lady
  Hillary Clinton's private health-care deliberations and Vice-President
  Dick Cheney's closed energy sessions are certainly troubling.
 
  Power, of course, abhors a vacuum. So while Google's joint proposal with
  Verizon was a vicious slap in the face to advocates of net neutrality -
  especially in view of the company's previous admirable support of the
  concept - under the circumstances it should come as no surprise. Consider
  the predatory vigor Google displayed when it cornered the digital market
  on books whose copyright has expired. Vito Corleone would have admired
 its
  ruthless elegance. However, Robert Darnton, the historian who heads
  Harvard's vast system of libraries, has been eloquent in pointing out the
  intellectual hazards of this development.
 
  It would be foolish to expect Congress to unplug the Google-Verizon view
  of the future. Massachusetts congressman Edward Markey has been foiled in
  his attempts

Re: [scifinoir2] [FYI] Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would kill Net Neutrality

2010-08-12 Thread Gerald Haynes
As explained to me, this deal, if enacted, would essentially fracture the 
availability of internet content. At home you'd have unabridged internet. On 
you 
wireless device you'd have the internet your carrier has decided to provide to 
you based on the deals they've made. The wireless internet would follow the 
cable tv model. 


 Gerald Haynes
http://thesmallfries.com - Calvin  Hobbes who?
http://dontarrestus.com - Latino based sci-fi comic strip fun





From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 3:10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] [FYI] Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would  
kill Net Neutrality

  
I think the article is hogwash. Did everyone forget the free highspeed service 
that they were offering?

Check this out: http://thephoenix. com/BLOGS/ phlog/archive/ 2010/08/06/ 
the-net-neutrali ty-spat-explaine d.aspx


On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Amy Harlib ahar...@earthlink. net wrote:


ahar...@earthlink. net
www.freepress. org is a good place to go to fight this too.
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From: brent wodehouse brent_wodehouse@ thefence. us
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:57 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] [FYI] Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would
kill Net Neutrality

 http://thephoenix. com/Boston/ news/106645- dont-be-fooled- the-google- 
verizon-plan- would-kil/

 [
 http://thephoenix. com/Boston/ news/106645- dont-be-fooled- the-google- 
verizon-plan- would-kil/
 ]Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would kill Net Neutrality

 Evil

 By [ http://thephoenix. com/Boston/ Authors/EDITORIA L/ ]EDITORIAL  |  August
 11, 201


 Want evidence that Google is just another avaricious, monopoly-minded
 corporate behemoth? Consider this: Google has retreated from its long-held
 support for net neutrality and teamed with Verizon to suggest that new
 laws allow Internet providers to favor some Web services over others.
 Google and Verizon also want Congress to exempt mobile devices from net
 neutrality and to limit the Federal Communications Commission's regulation
 of the Internet.

 Google and Verizon have proposed this in a very simple and undeniably
 clever way, which - unless thoughtfully considered - appears to be
 eminently reasonable.

 Under this plan, the Internet as it now exists and is currently understood
 would remain net neutral. All content would be treated as equal.

 The Internet as it develops in the future, however, would be different.
 Tiered service would be allowed.

 In other words, the giant corporate providers who effectively govern
 access and regulate traffic would be able to give preferential treatment
 to certain content or content providers.

 This is, in and of itself, a nasty piece of snake-oil salesmanship,
 especially given the speed and unpredictability with which the digital
 world evolves. But when mobile access is stirred into the brew, it becomes
 positively toxic. All trends favor more and more mobile access. Morgan
 Stanley predicts that within five years, the mobile Web will outstrip the
 desktop Internet.

 Given the extent to which the Internet governs economic development and
 the extent to which it is the medium for free speech, it is clear that the
 Google-Verizon plan is bad news. So much for Google's motto, Don't be
 evil.

 To understand this pledge, it must be considered in context. The pithy
 slogan appears as the first three words in Google's corporate code of
 conduct governing relations with investors. Yet no corporation can
 survive, let alone thrive, without turning a profit. So it stands to
 reason that Googlers (yes, that's how the company refers to its employees)
 may have a less restricted view of how to interpret the motto than, say,
 the world's non-Googlers.

 If net neutrality were a simple code of conduct, then the FCC last year
 defined it as follows: providers cannot favor their own content; they need
 to explain when and why variable Internet speeds are imposed on consumers;
 and they can not limit access to lawful content.

 As neat and clean as these principles seem, their implementation could
 prove to be difficult to impossible, thanks to the Court of Appeals for
 the DC Circuit, which in April ratified rules adopted by the Bush
 administration that were intended to derail Internet regulation.

 The court's decision undoubtedly contributed to the break-up last week of
 the closed-door discussions the FCC was holding with big Internet
 corporate players. Whether those talks should have been conducted in
 secret is now a moot point. But the parallels with former first lady
 Hillary Clinton's private health-care deliberations and Vice-President
 Dick Cheney's closed energy sessions are certainly troubling.

 Power, of course, abhors a vacuum. So while Google's joint proposal with
 Verizon was a vicious slap in the face to advocates of net neutrality

Re: [scifinoir2] [FYI] Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would kill Net Neutrality

2010-08-12 Thread Martin Baxter
Which would be WRONG. We can't let the Corporate Overlords hold all the
cards. As long as we're the consumers, we should have the say as to what's
available.

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Gerald Haynes efhay...@yahoo.com wrote:



 As explained to me, this deal, if enacted, would essentially fracture the
 availability of internet content. At home you'd have unabridged internet. On
 you wireless device you'd have the internet your carrier has decided to
 provide to you based on the deals they've made. The wireless internet would
 follow the cable tv model.

 Gerald Haynes
 http://thesmallfries.com - Calvin  Hobbes who?
 http://dontarrestus.com - Latino based sci-fi comic strip fun


 --
 *From:* Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
 *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Thu, August 12, 2010 3:10:38 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] [FYI] Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan
 would kill Net Neutrality



 I think the article is hogwash. Did everyone forget the free highspeed
 service that they were offering?

 Check this out: http://thephoenix. com/BLOGS/ phlog/archive/ 2010/08/06/
 the-net-neutrali ty-spat-explaine 
 d.aspxhttp://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/phlog/archive/2010/08/06/the-net-neutrality-spat-explained.aspx

 On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Amy Harlib ahar...@earthlink. 
 netahar...@earthlink.net
  wrote:


 ahar...@earthlink. net ahar...@earthlink.net
 www.freepress. org http://www.freepress.org is a good place to go to
 fight this too.
  - - - - --
 From: brent wodehouse brent_wodehouse@ thefence. 
 usbrent_wodeho...@thefence.us
 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:57 PM
 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

 Subject: [scifinoir2] [FYI] Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would
 kill Net Neutrality

  http://thephoenix. com/Boston/ news/106645- dont-be-fooled- the-google-
 verizon-plan- 
 would-kil/http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/106645-dont-be-fooled-the-google-verizon-plan-would-kil/
 
  [
  http://thephoenix. com/Boston/ news/106645- dont-be-fooled- the-google-
 verizon-plan- 
 would-kil/http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/106645-dont-be-fooled-the-google-verizon-plan-would-kil/
  ]Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would kill Net Neutrality
 
  Evil
 
  By [ http://thephoenix. com/Boston/ Authors/EDITORIA 
  L/http://thephoenix.com/Boston/Authors/EDITORIAL/]EDITORIAL  |  August

  11, 201
 
 
  Want evidence that Google is just another avaricious, monopoly-minded
  corporate behemoth? Consider this: Google has retreated from its
 long-held
  support for net neutrality and teamed with Verizon to suggest that new
  laws allow Internet providers to favor some Web services over others.
  Google and Verizon also want Congress to exempt mobile devices from net
  neutrality and to limit the Federal Communications Commission's
 regulation
  of the Internet.
 
  Google and Verizon have proposed this in a very simple and undeniably
  clever way, which - unless thoughtfully considered - appears to be
  eminently reasonable.
 
  Under this plan, the Internet as it now exists and is currently
 understood
  would remain net neutral. All content would be treated as equal.
 
  The Internet as it develops in the future, however, would be different.
  Tiered service would be allowed.
 
  In other words, the giant corporate providers who effectively govern
  access and regulate traffic would be able to give preferential treatment
  to certain content or content providers.
 
  This is, in and of itself, a nasty piece of snake-oil salesmanship,
  especially given the speed and unpredictability with which the digital
  world evolves. But when mobile access is stirred into the brew, it
 becomes
  positively toxic. All trends favor more and more mobile access. Morgan
  Stanley predicts that within five years, the mobile Web will outstrip
 the
  desktop Internet.
 
  Given the extent to which the Internet governs economic development and
  the extent to which it is the medium for free speech, it is clear that
 the
  Google-Verizon plan is bad news. So much for Google's motto, Don't be
  evil.
 
  To understand this pledge, it must be considered in context. The pithy
  slogan appears as the first three words in Google's corporate code of
  conduct governing relations with investors. Yet no corporation can
  survive, let alone thrive, without turning a profit. So it stands to
  reason that Googlers (yes, that's how the company refers to its
 employees)
  may have a less restricted view of how to interpret the motto than, say,
  the world's non-Googlers.
 
  If net neutrality were a simple code of conduct, then the FCC last year
  defined it as follows: providers cannot favor their own content; they
 need
  to explain when and why variable Internet speeds are imposed on
 consumers;
  and they can not limit access to lawful content.
 
  As neat and clean as these principles seem, their implementation could

[scifinoir2] [FYI] Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would kill Net Neutrality

2010-08-11 Thread brent wodehouse
http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/106645-dont-be-fooled-the-google-verizon-plan-would-kil/

[
http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/106645-dont-be-fooled-the-google-verizon-plan-would-kil/
]Don't be fooled: the Google-Verizon plan would kill Net Neutrality

Evil
 
By [ http://thephoenix.com/Boston/Authors/EDITORIAL/ ]EDITORIAL  |  August
11, 201


Want evidence that Google is just another avaricious, monopoly-minded
corporate behemoth? Consider this: Google has retreated from its long-held
support for net neutrality and teamed with Verizon to suggest that new
laws allow Internet providers to favor some Web services over others.
Google and Verizon also want Congress to exempt mobile devices from net
neutrality and to limit the Federal Communications Commission's regulation
of the Internet. 

Google and Verizon have proposed this in a very simple and undeniably
clever way, which - unless thoughtfully considered - appears to be
eminently reasonable.

Under this plan, the Internet as it now exists and is currently understood
would remain net neutral. All content would be treated as equal.

The Internet as it develops in the future, however, would be different.
Tiered service would be allowed.

In other words, the giant corporate providers who effectively govern
access and regulate traffic would be able to give preferential treatment
to certain content or content providers.

This is, in and of itself, a nasty piece of snake-oil salesmanship,
especially given the speed and unpredictability with which the digital
world evolves. But when mobile access is stirred into the brew, it becomes
positively toxic. All trends favor more and more mobile access. Morgan
Stanley predicts that within five years, the mobile Web will outstrip the
desktop Internet.

Given the extent to which the Internet governs economic development and
the extent to which it is the medium for free speech, it is clear that the
Google-Verizon plan is bad news. So much for Google's motto, Don't be
evil.

To understand this pledge, it must be considered in context. The pithy
slogan appears as the first three words in Google's corporate code of
conduct governing relations with investors. Yet no corporation can
survive, let alone thrive, without turning a profit. So it stands to
reason that Googlers (yes, that's how the company refers to its employees)
may have a less restricted view of how to interpret the motto than, say,
the world's non-Googlers.

If net neutrality were a simple code of conduct, then the FCC last year
defined it as follows: providers cannot favor their own content; they need
to explain when and why variable Internet speeds are imposed on consumers;
and they can not limit access to lawful content.

As neat and clean as these principles seem, their implementation could
prove to be difficult to impossible, thanks to the Court of Appeals for
the DC Circuit, which in April ratified rules adopted by the Bush
administration that were intended to derail Internet regulation.

The court's decision undoubtedly contributed to the break-up last week of
the closed-door discussions the FCC was holding with big Internet
corporate players. Whether those talks should have been conducted in
secret is now a moot point. But the parallels with former first lady
Hillary Clinton's private health-care deliberations and Vice-President
Dick Cheney's closed energy sessions are certainly troubling.

Power, of course, abhors a vacuum. So while Google's joint proposal with
Verizon was a vicious slap in the face to advocates of net neutrality -
especially in view of the company's previous admirable support of the
concept - under the circumstances it should come as no surprise. Consider
the predatory vigor Google displayed when it cornered the digital market
on books whose copyright has expired. Vito Corleone would have admired its
ruthless elegance. However, Robert Darnton, the historian who heads
Harvard's vast system of libraries, has been eloquent in pointing out the
intellectual hazards of this development.

It would be foolish to expect Congress to unplug the Google-Verizon view
of the future. Massachusetts congressman Edward Markey has been foiled in
his attempts to do so. But the FCC does have the power to short-circuit
it. The FCC must reach back to precedent established since 1910 and
declare Internet providers common carriers subject to federal
regulation. This is not some cute form of legerdemain. It is legal
hardball that would no doubt provoke a hotly contested lawsuit.

If the FCC will not stand up to Google, who will? It is time that someone
establishes that what's good for Google is not necessarily what is good
for the United States - or the world.

For more information, and to learn what you can do, visit the Save the
Internet Coalition at [ http://savetheinternet.com/ ]savetheinternet.com.