Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-15 Thread Martin
Tracey, I have to retract that statement. I was more than a little angry at someone a long way off when I typed it in. I daresay that I'll have to re-examine the article at a later time. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you feel the examples and studies

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-13 Thread Martin
Tracey, I doubt that they get it themselves. They just saw the chance to sound off, and did so, regardless of the lack of intellectual firepower needed to tackle the subject. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well that is why I liked this article and do

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-13 Thread Martin
Daryle, I think you're well ahead of the curve here. Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay then, let me, personally, be clear. I'm saying that the reality that either article was written is a waste of energy. I am saying that this is an argument that nobody asked for. I am also saying

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-13 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I wish this was not going on anymore, but it is. sigh... With the Affirmative action backlash, I wonder if it will get worse. Martin wrote: Tracey, I thank you in return for posting yours. I had a couple of HS counselors like that, telling me that I shouldn't try to attend this school or

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-13 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
So you feel the examples and studies provided by the guy below to disprove the the examples and studies the eugenics advocates put out there were poor ones? If so, why, because I thought the were pretty good. If there is something wrong with these examples, please let me know. When these

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-13 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I still do not know why an article responding several attacks made internationally within a period of two months to two days prior to the article, is peculiar? Martin wrote: Daryle, I think you're well ahead of the curve here. Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
(standing ovation) ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so tired of this argument because it is diversionary. The truth of the matter is this: the only difference between uneducated white people and uneducated black people is that uneducated white people have jobs. The only

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-12 Thread Daryle
Key term here: diversionary. I totally agree. Race is the new ³gay marriage². Anti-Christianity is the new ³immigration². We¹ve seen all of this before. Folks who write these articles should be ashamed of themselves. It¹s old hat at this point. Daryle On 12/12/07 2:12 PM, Martin [EMAIL

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-12 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Here is the thing guys. I'm confused. There was a scientific article on Slate that said that Blacks statistically 15 -20 points dumber than anyone else and the guys had the numbers to support it. So this guy response by tearing about those numbers and showing that those numbers are

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-12 Thread Martin
Tracey, I challenge the scientific in almost anything that Slate pushes onto its web page. I want to see the credentials of the person who wrote that. And, as a mathematician, I can make any batch of numbers say anything I want them to. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-12 Thread Daryle
Okay then, let me, personally, be clear. I'm saying that the reality that either article was written is a waste of energy. I am saying that this is an argument that nobody asked for. I am also saying that the TIMING of this argument is a little peculiar. Nobody's been concerned about how

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-12 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Well that is why I liked this article and do not know why everybody is attacking it, since he challenged every so called fact that Slate put out there. This was a rebuttal in the New York Times editorial section. Why attack the person supporting your argument who shows data that contradicts

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-12 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
The timing of the three recent articles is not peculiar in my opinion. The all were related to the Watson incident, which was followed by idiots putting out their data that genetically had lower IQs. After this being off the table for years, these guys were getting traction with new data.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-12 Thread KeithBJohnson
right on. in a perfect world we could ignore ignorance and it'd fade away, like the gods in comic books who cease to exist when humans quit believing in them. But that's not the real world; repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth.That's how Bush gained his power... And sometimes that

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-12 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Thank Keith. I'm glad you understand why I posted this. Your story really hit home for me. I wanted to be pediatrician. I had great grades in science, English, history and decent grades in math. I had scored high on IQ tests and started scoring very high on standard standardized tests

[scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-11 Thread ravenadal
I am so tired of this argument because it is diversionary. The truth of the matter is this: the only difference between uneducated white people and uneducated black people is that uneducated white people have jobs. The only difference between educated white people and educated black people

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Does Race Affect Your Intelligence?

2007-12-11 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I posted this as an add on to the revelation that Watson is 16% Black and 8% Asian. the articles were circulating together ravenadal wrote: I am so tired of this argument because it is diversionary. The truth of the matter is this: the only difference between uneducated white people and