RE: [scifinoir2] The Batman is getting better
Right now just refresher courses to get back in the swing...Beyond that, I have no idea...Journalism or English? Computer classes, as post grads always described, might be a waste of time. They told me that most of what you need to know about hardware and programming I could learn on my own...So, as of now, I'll wait until I'm on the inside... Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:yeah, life can be like that sometimes. My mother-in-law died on July 2. I spent the week helping my wife and her family take care of all the work around that. Pretty sad and pretty exhaustive. Sometimes you just have to deal with these phases in life. In my spare time i'm still working on finding another job (the one I have is not fun, too much work, too little pay) and writing. Been working on my book and submitting essays and reviews to Web sites and papers for publication. That's great about you going back to school! What are you taking? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 16:44 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Batman is getting better A few folks have had their share of tribulations...My ex just lost her grandmother a couple of week ago so I'm feeling you...I'm always on vacation! lol However, that is going to end. I'm going to enroll into the Veteran's 'Upward Bound' program here in Chicago to prepare to go back to school...I hope all is well with you...Haven't heard from Martin lately... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:How's it going?! Been away for a week to handle a death in the family. Didn't see as much movie/TV talk as normal. Everyone on vacation? -- Original message -- Hey, Keith! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Justice League airs Saturdays at 9 pm Eastern on Cartoon Network. I'm not sure when or if episodes are repeated in the following week. I think the current season is winding down. It may have concluded. I recorded the last two weeks so I don't know. It's been very, very good. Well worth the viewing. -- Original message -- What time and what days does the Justice League come on? Thanks in advance! Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a scathing review of the new animated series The Batman when it premiered on Kids' WB last year. Too dark, I said. Too self-consciously moody, I charged. Too different in portrayals of criminals like Joker and Penguin, I wrote. I gave up on the show after two episodes. Recently I've had occasion to watch it again, now that it's been moved to Cartoon Network, airing just before the awesome Justice League Unlimited. I must say I'm liking the show a whole lot more. It is dark, but I'm coming to see that reflects the Gotham that breeds the likes of Joker and the other psycho criminals The Batman must fight, just like in the comics and the movies. I guess it was the particular palette used for this series (more of a reddish, depressing background), but I'm getting over that. I also didn't originally like Bruce Wayne, who, conversely, didn't seem dark enough to my tastes. I'm more used to the Wayne who spoke in the low, harsh whispery voice whenever he was in costume, or at home alone with Alfred. The Wayne who seemed to be the mask worn over the real persona of Batman. This Wayne seemed a little more, well--normal and happy to me. Then I took a look at Christian Bale in Batman Begins, and I realized that both that movie and this series are dealing with Batman in the early days. When he was still young and finding his way. When, even though he's of course driven by anger and bitterness, he's perhaps not yet as jaded as years of crimefighting will ultimately make him. So give the man a break, he's still young enough to make jokes with Alfred and actually have fun every now and then. He can shoot hoops with his buddy just to have fun. He can be forgiven for getting cocky and cracking jokes that seem out of character. Like the movie, I can allow for personality discrepancies between this Bat and the one I know because he is new to the game. Finally i have to admit I like the writing in this series. There's a skill to crafting an action cartoon that isn't just a 30 minute series of battles and great animation. It needs to have heart and soul, believable characters, good writing that gives flesh to the images and makes them more than caricatures. The Batman does that pretty well. In addition to the byplay between Wayne and Alfred, it's given us some other interesting characters such as Detective Yen, the cop who wants to bring Batman in as a vigilante. Then there's her partner Ethan Bennett, Bruce's best friend, and Captain Rojas, who's vowed to bring in Batman and the criminal freaks he fights, all of whom he sees as menaces to society. These characters help to enrich the stories and give us more than wham-bam! fights. All of these various elements came together quite well in a recent two-part
Re: [scifinoir2] The Batman is getting better
Justice League airs Saturdays at 9 pm Eastern on Cartoon Network. I'm not sure when or if episodes are repeated in the following week. I think the current season is winding down. It may have concluded. I recorded the last two weeks so I don't know. It's been very, very good. Well worth the viewing. -- Original message -- What time and what days does the Justice League come on? Thanks in advance! Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a scathing review of the new animated series The Batman when it premiered on Kids' WB last year. Too dark, I said. Too self-consciously moody, I charged. Too different in portrayals of criminals like Joker and Penguin, I wrote. I gave up on the show after two episodes. Recently I've had occasion to watch it again, now that it's been moved to Cartoon Network, airing just before the awesome Justice League Unlimited. I must say I'm liking the show a whole lot more. It is dark, but I'm coming to see that reflects the Gotham that breeds the likes of Joker and the other psycho criminals The Batman must fight, just like in the comics and the movies. I guess it was the particular palette used for this series (more of a reddish, depressing background), but I'm getting over that. I also didn't originally like Bruce Wayne, who, conversely, didn't seem dark enough to my tastes. I'm more used to the Wayne who spoke in the low, harsh whispery voice whenever he was in costume, or at home alone with Alfred. The Wayne who seemed to be the mask worn over the real persona of Batman. This Wayne seemed a little more, well--normal and happy to me. Then I took a look at Christian Bale in Batman Begins, and I realized that both that movie and this series are dealing with Batman in the early days. When he was still young and finding his way. When, even though he's of course driven by anger and bitterness, he's perhaps not yet as jaded as years of crimefighting will ultimately make him. So give the man a break, he's still young enough to make jokes with Alfred and actually have fun every now and then. He can shoot hoops with his buddy just to have fun. He can be forgiven for getting cocky and cracking jokes that seem out of character. Like the movie, I can allow for personality discrepancies between this Bat and the one I know because he is new to the game. Finally i have to admit I like the writing in this series. There's a skill to crafting an action cartoon that isn't just a 30 minute series of battles and great animation. It needs to have heart and soul, believable characters, good writing that gives flesh to the images and makes them more than caricatures. The Batman does that pretty well. In addition to the byplay between Wayne and Alfred, it's given us some other interesting characters such as Detective Yen, the cop who wants to bring Batman in as a vigilante. Then there's her partner Ethan Bennett, Bruce's best friend, and Captain Rojas, who's vowed to bring in Batman and the criminal freaks he fights, all of whom he sees as menaces to society. These characters help to enrich the stories and give us more than wham-bam! fights. All of these various elements came together quite well in a recent two-part story that detailed the origins of the villain Clayface. Without giving too much away, let's say this story brought in Joker, Rojas, Yen, and Bennet. It dealt with Wayne's guilt over keeping his identity secret from Ethan, tragic consequences to the likes of the Joker being loose, and Yen's evolving attitude about the need for Batman in the increasingly bizarre landscape that Gotham is becoming. And watching Rojas, who's lumped Batman along with the super-villains he's vowed to take down, we can't help but realize that Rojas just doesn't get it. He has no insight to the fact that normal police can't fight the fight the Bat does. You just know it's only a matter of time before Rojas is out and Commissioner Gordon--who understood the need for the vigilante--is in. Once something I just watched to fill the half hour before JL, I find myself looking forward to seeing The Batman for its own sake. I can only hope it continues to get better and builds on the sometimes excellent stories I've seen. It's still not quite as good to my mind as the great Batman animated series from the 80s, but as a new telling of the Dark Knight's origin, it stands well on its own, and together with the recent movie, does a nice job of taking the legend in a slightly new direction. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
Re: [scifinoir2] The Batman is getting better
Hey, Keith! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Justice League airs Saturdays at 9 pm Eastern on Cartoon Network. I'm not sure when or if episodes are repeated in the following week. I think the current season is winding down. It may have concluded. I recorded the last two weeks so I don't know. It's been very, very good. Well worth the viewing. -- Original message -- What time and what days does the Justice League come on? Thanks in advance! Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a scathing review of the new animated series The Batman when it premiered on Kids' WB last year. Too dark, I said. Too self-consciously moody, I charged. Too different in portrayals of criminals like Joker and Penguin, I wrote. I gave up on the show after two episodes. Recently I've had occasion to watch it again, now that it's been moved to Cartoon Network, airing just before the awesome Justice League Unlimited. I must say I'm liking the show a whole lot more. It is dark, but I'm coming to see that reflects the Gotham that breeds the likes of Joker and the other psycho criminals The Batman must fight, just like in the comics and the movies. I guess it was the particular palette used for this series (more of a reddish, depressing background), but I'm getting over that. I also didn't originally like Bruce Wayne, who, conversely, didn't seem dark enough to my tastes. I'm more used to the Wayne who spoke in the low, harsh whispery voice whenever he was in costume, or at home alone with Alfred. The Wayne who seemed to be the mask worn over the real persona of Batman. This Wayne seemed a little more, well--normal and happy to me. Then I took a look at Christian Bale in Batman Begins, and I realized that both that movie and this series are dealing with Batman in the early days. When he was still young and finding his way. When, even though he's of course driven by anger and bitterness, he's perhaps not yet as jaded as years of crimefighting will ultimately make him. So give the man a break, he's still young enough to make jokes with Alfred and actually have fun every now and then. He can shoot hoops with his buddy just to have fun. He can be forgiven for getting cocky and cracking jokes that seem out of character. Like the movie, I can allow for personality discrepancies between this Bat and the one I know because he is new to the game. Finally i have to admit I like the writing in this series. There's a skill to crafting an action cartoon that isn't just a 30 minute series of battles and great animation. It needs to have heart and soul, believable characters, good writing that gives flesh to the images and makes them more than caricatures. The Batman does that pretty well. In addition to the byplay between Wayne and Alfred, it's given us some other interesting characters such as Detective Yen, the cop who wants to bring Batman in as a vigilante. Then there's her partner Ethan Bennett, Bruce's best friend, and Captain Rojas, who's vowed to bring in Batman and the criminal freaks he fights, all of whom he sees as menaces to society. These characters help to enrich the stories and give us more than wham-bam! fights. All of these various elements came together quite well in a recent two-part story that detailed the origins of the villain Clayface. Without giving too much away, let's say this story brought in Joker, Rojas, Yen, and Bennet. It dealt with Wayne's guilt over keeping his identity secret from Ethan, tragic consequences to the likes of the Joker being loose, and Yen's evolving attitude about the need for Batman in the increasingly bizarre landscape that Gotham is becoming. And watching Rojas, who's lumped Batman along with the super-villains he's vowed to take down, we can't help but realize that Rojas just doesn't get it. He has no insight to the fact that normal police can't fight the fight the Bat does. You just know it's only a matter of time before Rojas is out and Commissioner Gordon--who understood the need for the vigilante--is in. Once something I just watched to fill the half hour before JL, I find myself looking forward to seeing The Batman for its own sake. I can only hope it continues to get better and builds on the sometimes excellent stories I've seen. It's still not quite as good to my mind as the great Batman animated series from the 80s, but as a new telling of the Dark Knight's origin, it stands well on its own, and together with the recent movie, does a nice job of taking the legend in a slightly new direction. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best
Re: [scifinoir2] The Batman is getting better
How's it going?! Been away for a week to handle a death in the family. Didn't see as much movie/TV talk as normal. Everyone on vacation? -- Original message -- Hey, Keith! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Justice League airs Saturdays at 9 pm Eastern on Cartoon Network. I'm not sure when or if episodes are repeated in the following week. I think the current season is winding down. It may have concluded. I recorded the last two weeks so I don't know. It's been very, very good. Well worth the viewing. -- Original message -- What time and what days does the Justice League come on? Thanks in advance! Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a scathing review of the new animated series The Batman when it premiered on Kids' WB last year. Too dark, I said. Too self-consciously moody, I charged. Too different in portrayals of criminals like Joker and Penguin, I wrote. I gave up on the show after two episodes. Recently I've had occasion to watch it again, now that it's been moved to Cartoon Network, airing just before the awesome Justice League Unlimited. I must say I'm liking the show a whole lot more. It is dark, but I'm coming to see that reflects the Gotham that breeds the likes of Joker and the other psycho criminals The Batman must fight, just like in the comics and the movies. I guess it was the particular palette used for this series (more of a reddish, depressing background), but I'm getting over that. I also didn't originally like Bruce Wayne, who, conversely, didn't seem dark enough to my tastes. I'm more used to the Wayne who spoke in the low, harsh whispery voice whenever he was in costume, or at home alone with Alfred. The Wayne who seemed to be the mask worn over the real persona of Batman. This Wayne seemed a little more, well--normal and happy to me. Then I took a look at Christian Bale in Batman Begins, and I realized that both that movie and this series are dealing with Batman in the early days. When he was still young and finding his way. When, even though he's of course driven by anger and bitterness, he's perhaps not yet as jaded as years of crimefighting will ultimately make him. So give the man a break, he's still young enough to make jokes with Alfred and actually have fun every now and then. He can shoot hoops with his buddy just to have fun. He can be forgiven for getting cocky and cracking jokes that seem out of character. Like the movie, I can allow for personality discrepancies between this Bat and the one I know because he is new to the game. Finally i have to admit I like the writing in this series. There's a skill to crafting an action cartoon that isn't just a 30 minute series of battles and great animation. It needs to have heart and soul, believable characters, good writing that gives flesh to the images and makes them more than caricatures. The Batman does that pretty well. In addition to the byplay between Wayne and Alfred, it's given us some other interesting characters such as Detective Yen, the cop who wants to bring Batman in as a vigilante. Then there's her partner Ethan Bennett, Bruce's best friend, and Captain Rojas, who's vowed to bring in Batman and the criminal freaks he fights, all of whom he sees as menaces to society. These characters help to enrich the stories and give us more than wham-bam! fights. All of these various elements came together quite well in a recent two-part story that detailed the origins of the villain Clayface. Without giving too much away, let's say this story brought in Joker, Rojas, Yen, and Bennet. It dealt with Wayne's guilt over keeping his identity secret from Ethan, tragic consequences to the likes of the Joker being loose, and Yen's evolving attitude about the need for Batman in the increasingly bizarre landscape that Gotham is becoming. And watching Rojas, who's lumped Batman along with the super-villains he's vowed to take down, we can't help but realize that Rojas just doesn't get it. He has no insight to the fact that normal police can't fight the fight the Bat does. You just know it's only a matter of time before Rojas is out and Commissioner Gordon--who understood the need for the vigilante--is in. Once something I just watched to fill the half hour before JL, I find myself looking forward to seeing The Batman for its own sake. I can only hope it continues to get better and builds on the sometimes excellent stories I've seen. It's still not quite as good to my mind as the great Batman animated series from the 80s, but as a new telling of the Dark Knight's origin, it stands well on its own, and together with the recent movie, does a nice job of taking the legend in a slightly new direction. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is
Re: [scifinoir2] The Batman is getting better
A few folks have had their share of tribulations...My ex just lost her grandmother a couple of week ago so I'm feeling you...I'm always on vacation! lol However, that is going to end. I'm going to enroll into the Veteran's 'Upward Bound' program here in Chicago to prepare to go back to school...I hope all is well with you...Haven't heard from Martin lately... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:How's it going?! Been away for a week to handle a death in the family. Didn't see as much movie/TV talk as normal. Everyone on vacation? -- Original message -- Hey, Keith! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Justice League airs Saturdays at 9 pm Eastern on Cartoon Network. I'm not sure when or if episodes are repeated in the following week. I think the current season is winding down. It may have concluded. I recorded the last two weeks so I don't know. It's been very, very good. Well worth the viewing. -- Original message -- What time and what days does the Justice League come on? Thanks in advance! Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a scathing review of the new animated series The Batman when it premiered on Kids' WB last year. Too dark, I said. Too self-consciously moody, I charged. Too different in portrayals of criminals like Joker and Penguin, I wrote. I gave up on the show after two episodes. Recently I've had occasion to watch it again, now that it's been moved to Cartoon Network, airing just before the awesome Justice League Unlimited. I must say I'm liking the show a whole lot more. It is dark, but I'm coming to see that reflects the Gotham that breeds the likes of Joker and the other psycho criminals The Batman must fight, just like in the comics and the movies. I guess it was the particular palette used for this series (more of a reddish, depressing background), but I'm getting over that. I also didn't originally like Bruce Wayne, who, conversely, didn't seem dark enough to my tastes. I'm more used to the Wayne who spoke in the low, harsh whispery voice whenever he was in costume, or at home alone with Alfred. The Wayne who seemed to be the mask worn over the real persona of Batman. This Wayne seemed a little more, well--normal and happy to me. Then I took a look at Christian Bale in Batman Begins, and I realized that both that movie and this series are dealing with Batman in the early days. When he was still young and finding his way. When, even though he's of course driven by anger and bitterness, he's perhaps not yet as jaded as years of crimefighting will ultimately make him. So give the man a break, he's still young enough to make jokes with Alfred and actually have fun every now and then. He can shoot hoops with his buddy just to have fun. He can be forgiven for getting cocky and cracking jokes that seem out of character. Like the movie, I can allow for personality discrepancies between this Bat and the one I know because he is new to the game. Finally i have to admit I like the writing in this series. There's a skill to crafting an action cartoon that isn't just a 30 minute series of battles and great animation. It needs to have heart and soul, believable characters, good writing that gives flesh to the images and makes them more than caricatures. The Batman does that pretty well. In addition to the byplay between Wayne and Alfred, it's given us some other interesting characters such as Detective Yen, the cop who wants to bring Batman in as a vigilante. Then there's her partner Ethan Bennett, Bruce's best friend, and Captain Rojas, who's vowed to bring in Batman and the criminal freaks he fights, all of whom he sees as menaces to society. These characters help to enrich the stories and give us more than wham-bam! fights. All of these various elements came together quite well in a recent two-part story that detailed the origins of the villain Clayface. Without giving too much away, let's say this story brought in Joker, Rojas, Yen, and Bennet. It dealt with Wayne's guilt over keeping his identity secret from Ethan, tragic consequences to the likes of the Joker being loose, and Yen's evolving attitude about the need for Batman in the increasingly bizarre landscape that Gotham is becoming. And watching Rojas, who's lumped Batman along with the super-villains he's vowed to take down, we can't help but realize that Rojas just doesn't get it. He has no insight to the fact that normal police can't fight the fight the Bat does. You just know it's only a matter of time before Rojas is out and Commissioner Gordon--who understood the need for the vigilante--is in. Once something I just watched to fill the half hour before JL, I find myself looking forward to seeing The Batman for its own sake. I can only hope it continues to get better and builds on the sometimes excellent stories I've seen. It's still not quite as good to my mind as the great Batman animated series from the 80s, but as a new telling of the Dark Knight's origin, it stands well
[scifinoir2] The Batman is getting better
I wrote a scathing review of the new animated series The Batman when it premiered on Kids' WB last year. Too dark, I said. Too self-consciously moody, I charged. Too different in portrayals of criminals like Joker and Penguin, I wrote. I gave up on the show after two episodes. Recently I've had occasion to watch it again, now that it's been moved to Cartoon Network, airing just before the awesome Justice League Unlimited. I must say I'm liking the show a whole lot more. It is dark, but I'm coming to see that reflects the Gotham that breeds the likes of Joker and the other psycho criminals The Batman must fight, just like in the comics and the movies. I guess it was the particular palette used for this series (more of a reddish, depressing background), but I'm getting over that. I also didn't originally like Bruce Wayne, who, conversely, didn't seem dark enough to my tastes. I'm more used to the Wayne who spoke in the low, harsh whispery voice whenever he was in costume, or at home alone with Alfred. The Wayne who seemed to be the mask worn over the real persona of Batman. This Wayne seemed a little more, well--normal and happy to me. Then I took a look at Christian Bale in Batman Begins, and I realized that both that movie and this series are dealing with Batman in the early days. When he was still young and finding his way. When, even though he's of course driven by anger and bitterness, he's perhaps not yet as jaded as years of crimefighting will ultimately make him. So give the man a break, he's still young enough to make jokes with Alfred and actually have fun every now and then. He can shoot hoops with his buddy just to have fun. He can be forgiven for getting cocky and cracking jokes that seem out of character. Like the movie, I can allow for personality discrepancies between this Bat and the one I know because he is new to the game. Finally i have to admit I like the writing in this series. There's a skill to crafting an action cartoon that isn't just a 30 minute series of battles and great animation. It needs to have heart and soul, believable characters, good writing that gives flesh to the images and makes them more than caricatures. The Batman does that pretty well. In addition to the byplay between Wayne and Alfred, it's given us some other interesting characters such as Detective Yen, the cop who wants to bring Batman in as a vigilante. Then there's her partner Ethan Bennett, Bruce's best friend, and Captain Rojas, who's vowed to bring in Batman and the criminal freaks he fights, all of whom he sees as menaces to society. These characters help to enrich the stories and give us more than wham-bam! fights. All of these various elements came together quite well in a recent two-part story that detailed the origins of the villain Clayface. Without giving too much away, let's say this story brought in Joker, Rojas, Yen, and Bennet. It dealt with Wayne's guilt over keeping his identity secret from Ethan, tragic consequences to the likes of the Joker being loose, and Yen's evolving attitude about the need for Batman in the increasingly bizarre landscape that Gotham is becoming. And watching Rojas, who's lumped Batman along with the super-villains he's vowed to take down, we can't help but realize that Rojas just doesn't get it. He has no insight to the fact that normal police can't fight the fight the Bat does. You just know it's only a matter of time before Rojas is out and Commissioner Gordon--who understood the need for the vigilante--is in. Once something I just watched to fill the half hour before JL, I find myself looking forward to seeing The Batman for its own sake. I can only hope it continues to get better and builds on the sometimes excellent stories I've seen. It's still not quite as good to my mind as the great Batman animated series from the 80s, but as a new telling of the Dark Knight's origin, it stands well on its own, and together with the recent movie, does a nice job of taking the legend in a slightly new direction. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
