RE: [scifinoir2] Hercules on NBC--Weak!
"Tell me son; have you ever seen a grown man naked???"Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That was a British accent?
I have to agree with you, from what little I saw. This felt like a SciFi special (not surprising, considering that this was still in the Family). I missed the final credits, so I don't know where this was shot, or who should BE shot for staging it. The last fight scene didn't even seem real, and the guy who was playing the evil king, at times, seemed not to know where his marks were (he appeared to be staring into space at times, when he was supposed to be looking at Herc). If you or anyone knows who was behind this, send them numerous e-mails asking them to retire immediately, for the good of mankind.Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Man this was weak! Mediocre FX, confusing plot, performances that seemed like the actors were sleepwalking through their roles. The dude who played Hercules had the musculature but looked way too Caucasian to my tastes (the British accent didn't help). Is there some law that Greek men can't play Greek characters? Honestly, I think the last time a Greek dude played a god was back in the OS Trek episode, "Who Mourns for Adonis?". I heard more British, Kiwi, and American accents in this thing than I could count. Sean Astin was wasted as teacher/sidekick Linus, looking rather blank, which worked for simpleminded Samwise Gamgee, but here makes one wonder if Astin's contemplating a fading career instead of thinking about his lines. Timoty Dalton must have grabbed a fat check to play Herc's father, as he had little to
do but bring his trademark piercing eyes and cultured voice to a boring character. Leeli Sobieski (sp?)got on my nerves playing a wood nymph, with that bronze Nivea tanning lotion slathered on her and the dopey floating scenes where grunts were obviously lowering her from a tree on a rope.Shedid a couple of shots that came periously close to flashing us withher bare breasts, which I guess was supposed to be daring or titillating, but seemed contrived.
I'd go on, but the movie doesn't warrant further criticism.Well, maybe a little more. The only things that made it of minor note were that the writers brought in some realism about the characters' motivations and behaviour. For example, unlike the recent sanitized Hercules series, this treatment pretty much stated that Zeus raped Hercules' mother after morphing into a likeness of her husband. And unlike the series, mother and son didn't have a good relationship, as she spent her entire life trying to do in her son, even going so far as to purposefully being behind Hercules' murder of his own kids. Mom got started way before that though. She was the one who put the snakes in Herc's crib, which were of course strangled by the mighty infant. There were some scenes with nubile women running through the woods with satyrs, and one scene where a lady laid on her back on the grass, about to get
busy with one of the goat-like demigods! That was surprising on network TV at 8 pm.Then there was the Oracle of Delphi who was revealed to be an hermaphrodite (Hercules and others called him "man-woman").He/she gets blinded in a vicious scene for accidentally violating a secretceremony devoted to Hera. The lady who blinded him? Herc's mother. And there was a homosexual thing played up between Hercules' brother and his cousin, who at the end of the movie were shown in bed together. But given the overall clumsiness of the rest of the movie, these attempts at "realism" and a mature theme merely served to highlight the weakness of the rest of the effort, and thus appeared (perhaps unfairly) as heavy-handed and falseattempts to be daring.
Frankly, it wasn't as well done or intelligent as the better Hercules and Xena story arcs. When those shows cut lose with the humour, they were funny as heck. When they dug deep for drama and played it straight, they could be downright impressive. Tonight's efffort was nowhere near as good.
-Original Message-From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith JohnsonSent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 17:26To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSubject: [scifinoir2] "Hercules" on NBC
Heard about this one? Soundsa little more serious than Sorbo's outing, as it deals with the aftermath of Hercules having killed his own children.I'll guess I'll have to check it out. My wife already commented that "at least they finally got a dark-haired Hercules with real muscles". She could never get with Sorbo due to his brownish hair and slim physique. That muscled, curly-haired dude from the '50s Hercules flicks set the standard to her mind.
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Hercules/
He was the slave that defied the gods. The hero who won the people. The man who became a legend. From Emmy Award winning executive producer Robert Halmi Sr. ("The Odyssey," "Gulliver's Travels," "Merlin") comes this epic tale based on the spectacular exploits of Hercules, the super-strong figure fathered
RE: [scifinoir2] Hercules on NBC--Weak!
Watch it with those "gladiator" jokes, or Yahoo will be hop-scotching us to SciFiNoir3, 4, and 5!! -- Original message -- "Tell me son; have you ever seen a grown man naked???"Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was a British accent? I have to agree with you, from what little I saw. This felt like a SciFi special (not surprising, considering that this was still in the Family). I missed the final credits, so I don't know where this was shot, or who should BE shot for staging it. The last fight scene didn't even seem real, and the guy who was playing the evil king, at times, seemed not to know where his marks were (he appeared to be staring into space at times, when he was supposed to be looking at Herc). If you or anyone knows who was behind this, send them numerous e-mails asking them to retire immediately, for the good of mankind.Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man this was weak! Mediocre FX, confusing plot, performances that seemed like the actors were sleepwalking through their roles. The dude who played Hercules had the musculature but looked way too Caucasian to my tastes (the British accent didn't help). Is there some law that Greek men can't play Greek characters? Honestly, I think the last time a Greek dude played a god was back in the OS Trek episode, "Who Mourns for Adonis?". I heard more British, Kiwi, and American accents in this thing than I could count. Sean Astin was wasted as teacher/sidekick Linus, looking rather blank, which worked for simpleminded Samwise Gamgee, but here makes one wonder if Astin's contemplating a fading career instead of thinking about his lines. Timoty Dalton must have grabbed a fat check to play Herc's father, as he had little to do but bring his trademark piercing eyes and cultured voice to a boring character. Leeli Sobieski (sp?)got on my nerves playing a wood nymph, with that bronze Nivea tanning lotion slathered on her and the dopey floating scenes where grunts were obviously lowering her from a tree on a rope.Shedid a couple of shots that came periously close to flashing us withher bare breasts, which I guess was supposed to be daring or titillating, but seemed contrived. I'd go on, but the movie doesn't warrant further criticism.Well, maybe a little more. The only things that made it of minor note were that the writers brought in some realism about the characters' motivations and behaviour. For example, unlike the recent sanitized Hercules series, this treatment pretty much stated that Zeus raped Hercules' mother after morphing into a likeness of her husband. And unlike the series, mother and son didn't have a good relationship, as she spent her entire life trying to do in her son, even going so far as to purposefully being behind Hercules' murder of his own kids. Mom got started way before that though. She was the one who put the snakes in Herc's crib, which were of course strangled by the mighty infant. There were some scenes with nubile women running through the woods with satyrs, and one scene where a lady laid on her back on the grass, about to get busy with one of the goat-like demigods! That was surprising on network TV at 8 pm.Then there was the Oracle of Delphi who was revealed to be an hermaphrodite (Hercules and others called him "man-woman").He/she gets blinded in a vicious scene for accidentally violating a secretceremony devoted to Hera. The lady who blinded him? Herc's mother. And there was a homosexual thing played up between Hercules' brother and his cousin, who at the end of the movie were shown in bed together. But given the overall clumsiness of the rest of the movie, these attempts at "realism" and a mature theme merely served to highlight the weakness of the rest of the effort, and thus appeared (perhaps unfairly) as heavy-handed and falseattempts to be daring. Frankly, it wasn't as well done or intelligent as the better Hercules and Xena story arcs. When those shows cut lose with the humour, they were funny as heck. When they dug deep for drama and played it straight, they could be downright impressive. Tonight's efffort was nowhere near as good. -Original Message-From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith JohnsonSent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 17:26To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSubject: [scifinoir2] "Hercules" on NBC Heard about this one? Soundsa little more serious than Sorbo's outing, as it deals with the aftermath of Hercules having killed his own children.I'll guess I'll have to check it out. My wife already commented that "at least they finally got a dark-haired Hercules with real muscles". She could never get with Sorbo due to his brownish hair and slim physique. That muscled, curly-haired dude from the '50s Hercules flicks set the standard to her mind. http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Hercules/ He was the slave that defied the gods. The hero who won the people. The man who became a legend. From Emmy Award winning executive producer Robert Halmi Sr.
RE: [scifinoir2] Hercules on NBC--Weak!
Oops! My bad[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Watch it with those "gladiator" jokes, or Yahoo will be hop-scotching us to SciFiNoir3, 4, and 5!! -- Original message -- "Tell me son; have you ever seen a grown man naked???"Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was a British accent? I have to agree with you, from what little I saw. This felt like a SciFi special (not surprising, considering that this was still in the Family). I missed the final credits, so I don't know where this was shot, or who should BE shot for staging it. The last fight scene didn't even seem real, and the guy who was playing the evil king, at times, seemed not to know where his marks were (he appeared to be staring into space at times, when he was supposed to be looking at Herc). If you or anyone knows who was behind this, send them numerous e-mails asking them to retire immediately, for the good of mankind.Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man this was weak! Mediocre FX, confusing plot, performances that seemed like the actors were sleepwalking through their roles. The dude who played Hercules had the musculature but looked way too Caucasian to my tastes (the British accent didn't help). Is there some law that Greek men can't play Greek characters? Honestly, I think the last time a Greek dude played a god was back in the OS Trek episode, "Who Mourns for Adonis?". I heard more British, Kiwi, and American accents in this thing than I could count. Sean Astin was wasted as teacher/sidekick Linus, looking rather blank, which worked for simpleminded Samwise Gamgee, but here makes one wonder if Astin's contemplating a fading career instead of thinking about his lines. Timoty Dalton must have grabbed a fat check to play Herc's father, as he had little to do but bring his trademark piercing eyes and cultured voice to a boring character. Leeli Sobieski (sp?)got on my nerves playing a wood nymph, with that bronze Nivea tanning lotion slathered on her and the dopey floating scenes where grunts were obviously lowering her from a tree on a rope.Shedid a couple of shots that came periously close to flashing us withher bare breasts, which I guess was supposed to be daring or titillating, but seemed contrived. I'd go on, but the movie doesn't warrant further criticism.Well, maybe a little more. The only things that made it of minor note were that the writers brought in some realism about the characters' motivations and behaviour. For example, unlike the recent sanitized Hercules series, this treatment pretty much stated that Zeus raped Hercules' mother after morphing into a likeness of her husband. And unlike the series, mother and son didn't have a good relationship, as she spent her entire life trying to do in her son, even going so far as to purposefully being behind Hercules' murder of his own kids. Mom got started way before that though. She was the one who put the snakes in Herc's crib, which were of course strangled by the mighty infant. There were some scenes with nubile women running through the woods with satyrs, and one scene where a lady laid on her back on the grass, about to get busy with one of the goat-like demigods! That was surprising on network TV at 8 pm.Then there was the Oracle of Delphi who was revealed to be an hermaphrodite (Hercules and others called him "man-woman").He/she gets blinded in a vicious scene for accidentally violating a secretceremony devoted to Hera. The lady who blinded him? Herc's mother. And there was a homosexual thing played up between Hercules' brother and his cousin, who at the end of the movie were shown in bed together. But given the overall clumsiness of the rest of the movie, these attempts at "realism" and a mature theme merely served to highlight the weakness of the rest of the effort, and thus appeared (perhaps unfairly) as heavy-handed and falseattempts to be daring. Frankly, it wasn't as well done or intelligent as the better Hercules and Xena story arcs. When those shows cut lose with the humour, they were funny as heck. When they dug deep for drama and played it straight, they could be downright impressive. Tonight's efffort was nowhere near as good. -Original Message-From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith JohnsonSent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 17:26To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSubject: [scifinoir2] "Hercules" on NBC Heard about this one? Soundsa little more serious than Sorbo's outing, as it deals with the aftermath of Hercules having killed his own children.I'll guess I'll have to check it out. My wife already commented that "at least they finally got a dark-haired Hercules with real muscles". She could never get with Sorbo due to his brownish hair and slim physique. That muscled, curly-haired dude from the '50s Hercules flicks set the standard to her mind. http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Hercules/ He was the slave that defied the gods. The hero who won the people. The man who became a legend. From Emmy Award
RE: [scifinoir2] Hercules on NBC--Weak!
That was a British accent?
I have to agree with you, from what little I saw. This felt like a SciFi special (not surprising, considering that this was still in the Family). I missed the final credits, so I don't know where this was shot, or who should BE shot for staging it. The last fight scene didn't even seem real, and the guy who was playing the evil king, at times, seemed not to know where his marks were (he appeared to be staring into space at times, when he was supposed to be looking at Herc). If you or anyone knows who was behind this, send them numerous e-mails asking them to retire immediately, for the good of mankind.Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Man this was weak! Mediocre FX, confusing plot, performances that seemed like the actors were sleepwalking through their roles. The dude who played Hercules had the musculature but looked way too Caucasian to my tastes (the British accent didn't help). Is there some law that Greek men can't play Greek characters? Honestly, I think the last time a Greek dude played a god was back in the OS Trek episode, "Who Mourns for Adonis?". I heard more British, Kiwi, and American accents in this thing than I could count. Sean Astin was wasted as teacher/sidekick Linus, looking rather blank, which worked for simpleminded Samwise Gamgee, but here makes one wonder if Astin's contemplating a fading career instead of thinking about his lines. Timoty Dalton must have grabbed a fat check to play Herc's father, as he had little to
do but bring his trademark piercing eyes and cultured voice to a boring character. Leeli Sobieski (sp?)got on my nerves playing a wood nymph, with that bronze Nivea tanning lotion slathered on her and the dopey floating scenes where grunts were obviously lowering her from a tree on a rope.Shedid a couple of shots that came periously close to flashing us withher bare breasts, which I guess was supposed to be daring or titillating, but seemed contrived.
I'd go on, but the movie doesn't warrant further criticism.Well, maybe a little more. The only things that made it of minor note were that the writers brought in some realism about the characters' motivations and behaviour. For example, unlike the recent sanitized Hercules series, this treatment pretty much stated that Zeus raped Hercules' mother after morphing into a likeness of her husband. And unlike the series, mother and son didn't have a good relationship, as she spent her entire life trying to do in her son, even going so far as to purposefully being behind Hercules' murder of his own kids. Mom got started way before that though. She was the one who put the snakes in Herc's crib, which were of course strangled by the mighty infant. There were some scenes with nubile women running through the woods with satyrs, and one scene where a lady laid on her back on the grass, about to get
busy with one of the goat-like demigods! That was surprising on network TV at 8 pm.Then there was the Oracle of Delphi who was revealed to be an hermaphrodite (Hercules and others called him "man-woman").He/she gets blinded in a vicious scene for accidentally violating a secretceremony devoted to Hera. The lady who blinded him? Herc's mother. And there was a homosexual thing played up between Hercules' brother and his cousin, who at the end of the movie were shown in bed together. But given the overall clumsiness of the rest of the movie, these attempts at "realism" and a mature theme merely served to highlight the weakness of the rest of the effort, and thus appeared (perhaps unfairly) as heavy-handed and falseattempts to be daring.
Frankly, it wasn't as well done or intelligent as the better Hercules and Xena story arcs. When those shows cut lose with the humour, they were funny as heck. When they dug deep for drama and played it straight, they could be downright impressive. Tonight's efffort was nowhere near as good.
-Original Message-From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith JohnsonSent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 17:26To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSubject: [scifinoir2] "Hercules" on NBC
Heard about this one? Soundsa little more serious than Sorbo's outing, as it deals with the aftermath of Hercules having killed his own children.I'll guess I'll have to check it out. My wife already commented that "at least they finally got a dark-haired Hercules with real muscles". She could never get with Sorbo due to his brownish hair and slim physique. That muscled, curly-haired dude from the '50s Hercules flicks set the standard to her mind.
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Hercules/
He was the slave that defied the gods. The hero who won the people. The man who became a legend. From Emmy Award winning executive producer Robert Halmi Sr. ("The Odyssey," "Gulliver's Travels," "Merlin") comes this epic tale based on the spectacular exploits of Hercules, the super-strong figure fathered by the supreme Greek god Zeus.
The three-hour movie event, filmed amid the breathtaking
RE: [scifinoir2] Hercules on NBC--Weak!
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this was weak! Mediocre FX, confusing plot, performances that seemed like the
actors were sleepwalking through their roles. The dude who played Hercules had
the musculature but looked way too Caucasian to my tastes (the British accent
didn't help). Is there some law that Greek men can't play Greek characters?
Honestly, I think the last time a Greek dude played a god was back in the OS
Trek episode, "Who Mourns for Adonis?". I heard more British, Kiwi, and American
accents in this thing than I could count. Sean Astin was
wasted as teacher/sidekick Linus, looking rather blank, which worked for
simpleminded Samwise Gamgee, but here makes one wonder if Astin's contemplating
a fading career instead of thinking about his lines. Timoty Dalton must
have grabbed a fat check to play Herc's father, as he had little to do but bring
his trademark piercing eyes and cultured voice to a boring character. Leeli
Sobieski (sp?)got on my nerves playing a wood nymph, with that bronze
Nivea tanning lotion slathered on her and the dopey floating scenes where grunts
were obviously lowering her from a tree on a rope.Shedid a
couple of shots that came periously close to flashing us withher bare
breasts, which I guess was supposed to be daring or titillating, but seemed
contrived.
I'd go
on, but the movie doesn't warrant further criticism.Well, maybe a little
more. The only things that made it of minor note were that the writers
brought in some realism about the characters' motivations and behaviour. For
example, unlike the recent sanitized Hercules series, this treatment pretty much
stated that Zeus raped Hercules' mother after morphing into a likeness of her
husband. And unlike the series, mother and son didn't have a good relationship,
as she spent her entire life trying to do in her son, even going so far as to
purposefully being behind Hercules' murder of his own kids. Mom got started way
before that though. She was the one who put the snakes in Herc's crib, which
were of course strangled by the mighty infant. There were some
scenes with nubile women running through the woods with satyrs, and one scene
where a lady laid on her back on the grass, about to get busy with one of the
goat-like demigods! That was surprising on network TV at 8 pm.Then there
was the Oracle of Delphi who was revealed to be an hermaphrodite (Hercules and
others called him "man-woman").He/she gets blinded in a vicious scene for
accidentally violating a secretceremony devoted to Hera. The lady who
blinded him? Herc's mother. And there was a homosexual thing played
up between Hercules' brother and his cousin, who at the end of the movie were
shown in bed together. But given the overall clumsiness of the rest of the
movie, these attempts at "realism" and a mature theme merely served to highlight
the weakness of the rest of the effort, and thus appeared (perhaps unfairly) as
heavy-handed and falseattempts to be daring.
Frankly, it wasn't as well done or intelligent as the better Hercules and
Xena story arcs. When those shows cut lose with the humour, they were
funny as heck. When they dug deep for drama and played it straight, they could
be downright impressive. Tonight's efffort was nowhere near as
good.
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NBC
Heard about this one?
Soundsa little more serious than Sorbo's outing, as it deals with the
aftermath of Hercules having killed his own children.I'll guess I'll have to check it out. My wife
already commented that "at least they finally got a dark-haired Hercules with
real muscles". She could never get with Sorbo due to his brownish hair and
slim physique. That muscled, curly-haired dude from the '50s Hercules flicks
set the standard to her mind.
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Hercules/
He was the slave that defied the gods. The hero who won
the people. The man who became a legend. From Emmy Award winning executive
producer Robert Halmi Sr. ("The Odyssey," "Gulliver's Travels," "Merlin")
comes this epic tale based on the spectacular exploits of Hercules, the
super-strong figure fathered by the supreme Greek god Zeus.
The three-hour movie event, filmed amid the breathtaking
scenery of New Zealand, follows Hercules who, after killing his three sons, is
compelled to redeem himself by performing 12 heroic labors - including slaying
the multi-headed Hydra and the dreaded Nemean lion.
With groundbreaking special effects, "Hercules" is the
definitive re-telling of the most famous myth of all - the story of a
half-god, half-man whose extraordinary feats of strength would elevate him to
the status of legend on Earth and immortality in the heavens.
Paul Telfer stars as the legendary Greek hero, while Sean
Astin
