Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-19 Thread Olivier Grisel
2014-08-18 20:44 GMT+02:00 Sebastian Raschka : > > On Aug 18, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Olivier Grisel > wrote: > >> since it would make the "estimate" and "error" calculation more >> convenient, right? > > I don't understand what you mean "estimate" by "error". Both the model > parameters, its individua

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-18 Thread Sebastian Raschka
On Aug 18, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Olivier Grisel wrote: > > since it would make the "estimate" and "error" calculation more convenient, > > right? > > I don't understand what you mean "estimate" by "error". Both the model > parameters, its individual predictions and its cross-validation scores or

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-18 Thread josef.pktd
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Olivier Grisel wrote: > 2014-08-18 18:28 GMT+02:00 : > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Olivier Grisel < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Le 18 août 2014 16:16, "Sebastian Raschka" a > écrit > >> : > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > O

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-18 Thread Olivier Grisel
2014-08-18 18:28 GMT+02:00 : > > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Olivier Grisel > wrote: >> >> Le 18 août 2014 16:16, "Sebastian Raschka" a écrit >> : >> >> >> > >> > >> > On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:46 AM, Olivier Grisel >> > wrote: >> > >> > > But the sklearn.cross_validation.Bootstrap curren

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-18 Thread josef.pktd
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Olivier Grisel wrote: > Le 18 août 2014 16:16, "Sebastian Raschka" a écrit > : > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:46 AM, Olivier Grisel > wrote: > > > > > But the sklearn.cross_validation.Bootstrap currently implemented in > sklearn is a cross validation itera

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-18 Thread Olivier Grisel
Le 18 août 2014 16:16, "Sebastian Raschka" a écrit : > > > On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:46 AM, Olivier Grisel wrote: > > > But the sklearn.cross_validation.Bootstrap currently implemented in sklearn is a cross validation iterator, not a generic resampling method to estimate variance or confidence interv

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-18 Thread Sebastian Raschka
On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:46 AM, Olivier Grisel wrote: > But the sklearn.cross_validation.Bootstrap currently implemented in sklearn > is a cross validation iterator, not a generic resampling method to estimate > variance or confidence intervals. Don't be mislead by the name. If we chose > to dep

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-18 Thread Arman Eshaghi
thanks, very informative. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Olivier Grisel wrote: > Le 18 août 2014 09:57, "Arman Eshaghi" a écrit : > > > > > thanks for the discussion. Could you please what the right way of using > boostraping for confidence interval calculation (or other statistics) would >

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-18 Thread Olivier Grisel
Le 18 août 2014 09:57, "Arman Eshaghi" a écrit : > > thanks for the discussion. Could you please what the right way of using boostraping for confidence interval calculation (or other statistics) would be? I mean what would you do to get, as olivier said a "generic resampling method to estimate var

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-18 Thread Arman Eshaghi
thanks for the discussion. Could you please what the right way of using boostraping for confidence interval calculation (or other statistics) would be? I mean what would you do to get, as olivier said a "generic resampling method to estimate variance or confidence intervals"? I'm under the impressi

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-18 Thread Olivier Grisel
But the sklearn.cross_validation.Bootstrap currently implemented in sklearn is a cross validation iterator, not a generic resampling method to estimate variance or confidence intervals. Don't be mislead by the name. If we chose to deprecate and then remove this class, it's precisely because it caus

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-17 Thread Sebastian Raschka
> How exactly would you use the Bootstrap object? I am worried that it is > getting misused. It does not belong to the same conceptual classes as the > other CV iterators. I would use it similarly to a Kfold CV object, but to address different "questions", e.g., the determination of the variance

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-17 Thread Gael Varoquaux
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 01:58:14PM -0400, Sebastian Raschka wrote: > I wouldn't remove bootstrapping. It is maybe not as commonly used as k-fold > cross validation, but it is a quite established sampling technique. Indeed, I use bootstrap almost every day, but not in the context of measuring predi

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-17 Thread Sebastian Raschka
inal message >> From: Arman Eshaghi >> Date:15/08/2014 11:31 (GMT+01:00) >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm wondering why I'm getting d

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-17 Thread Arman Eshaghi
4 11:31 (GMT+01:00) > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning > > Hi, > > I'm wondering why I'm getting deprecation warnings for bootstrap > `sklearn.cross_validation.Bootstrap` . It seems to be a very useful >

Re: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-15 Thread Gael Varoquaux
e.net Subject: [Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning Hi, I'm wondering why I'm getting deprecation warnings for bootstrap `sklearn.cross_validation.Bootstrap` . It seems to be a very useful feature, so maybe you are trying to transfer the class to another place? I'm wri

[Scikit-learn-general] bootstrap depracation warning

2014-08-15 Thread Arman Eshaghi
Hi, I'm wondering why I'm getting deprecation warnings for bootstrap `sklearn.cross_validation.Bootstrap` . It seems to be a very useful feature, so maybe you are trying to transfer the class to another place? I'm writing some code that I need to run for a long time and I would be very much intere