[scots-l] Re: Whinham's Reel
...Whinham's Reel -- anybody got the ABCs for that? Do you know any more about it, Janice? Is it Northumbrian? - -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland I don't have abc software but I do have a copy of Remember Me - a collection of the music of Robert Whinham by Graham Dixon published in 1995. Whinham's Reel is in there on page 17. This is a really nice collection of tunes by an itinerant Northumbrian fiddle and dancing master who lived between 1814 and 1893. His last days were spent in Morpeth workhouse where the only known photograph of him was taken, and where he was registered as a teacher of music in Morpeth [in Northumbria]. The tune is also listed as being in the Northumbrian Pipers' Tune Book published in 1970. Cheers Eric Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] tunes that aren't in 8 bars
Playing in 8 bars is a bit excessive- 3 or 4 in a night is about as much as I can manage. There is a sociologically-oriented book by an English writer on the contemporary British session scene where he defines a folk session as a regular meeting of mostly amateur musicians who get together to play tunes with 8-bar structures. I thought, youch, that last bit sure hit the spot. On first reading I thought, 'how devastatingly accurate', and was about to put the fiddle up in the loft and forget about it. Then I thought, 'that's like describing reading as being about deciphering squiggles arranged in lines on sheets of paper'. It's pretty weak as observation goes, but presumably the author went a bit further? He could have said '... 8-bar structures with 3 chord accompaniment'. For irregular (non-8bar tunes), some of the Shetland 'listening' tunes are examples: eg Da Day Dawn, Auld Swarra. Or 'Marnie Swanson of the Grey Coast' which is pretty popular round these parts. There's also the old trick of writing 8 bar tunes that don't sound like they are, where the phrasing of the tune starts or stops before or after where you'd expect it. It's more common in recent compositions especially with syncopation breaking up the bar lines even more. Derek Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Whinham's Reel
Dave said: Willie Taylor and Joe Hutton?). Bella Derek Hoy might be able to supply abc's. Being a humble guitar basher I know nothing of these arcane arts. Jack's beaten me to it. Though we don't play it quite as it's written. The written setting sounds very Northumbrian-pipey, whereas our version's been mangled by fiddle scratchers, aided by said guitar basher. I thought Contra dances were South American. What dance do we use it for, Dave? I don't look up much at these things. Derek Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] tunes that aren't in 8 bars
Jack Campin wrote:
- the ballad air Lord Gregory, which is in 7-bar phrases.
Eight bar phrases, surely?
This is the tune I know for it (from several sources):
X:1
T:Lord Gregory
B:Burns, Poems and Songs, OED collected edition
M:3/4
L:1/8
K:A Minor
A2 |e4 AB |({A}^G4) E2 |A4 B2 |c4 ||\
(3(ceg)| {f}e4 dc | B4 cA|B4||
B2 |e4 A2 | {A}^G4 E2 |A4 B2 |c4 ||\
(3(ceg)|({f}e4) dc | c4 TB2 |A4||
A2 |e4 ee | f4 e2 |({e}d4) d2 |({d}e4)||\
ed |c4 cd/e/| {e}d4 c2 | {c}B4||
B2 |e4 A2 |^G4 FE| (A4 B2)|c4 ||\
(3(ceg)| {f}e4 dc | c4 TB2 |A4|]
I've put double bars at the line breaks, as in old hymnbooks.
The air is rather like an old psalm tune, come to think of it,
and they often have irregular structures.
Is there an 8-bar one in Bronson or somewhere?
Maybe you're prolonging the last note of the three-bar lines?
No, I'm singing it in common rather than triple time and there are
several added beats. From Ewan MacColl's 1960s book and other sources,
and quite altered in modal quality too. Would you also use the above
tune if the song was called The Lass of Lochroyan, or Annie of
Roch/Rough Royal? (all basically the same song as far as I'm concerned).
David
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Re: [scots-l] Northumbrian tunes (was Whinham's Reel)
Apparently there's a genre of songs made up of song (or tune) titles. Here's the first verse: (Query: What's a hopping? [...] The Souters o Selkirk and Stannerton Hopping There is an early-19th-century song about hopping in Kent, i.e. the hop harvest: same kind of deal as the berryfields of Blair, you got and still get people from all over going to it. The tune is The Blythsome Bridal, I think, and the text is put together in the same way - colourful description of farmworkers partying. So if they grow hops at Stannerton, wherever that is (could it mean Stannington near Morpeth?), that might be what it's about. === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ === Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Continuing adventures in the search for World Cup Reel Music
Well I have found some information and hope to get some help finding at least sheet music if not a copy of the album. Here are the particulars: The name of the tunes are Ormand's Favorite/The World Cup Reel by J.S.D. Band on an album titled Scotland Scotland in honor of the 1978 Scottish World Cup Team on Polydor 2382 282 SUPER produced by Phil Coulter and Bill Martin for Martin Coulter Enterprises Ltd. out of England. From what I have been able to find out, the J.S.D. Band was a popular Scottish Folk/Rock Band through the 70's and broke up in the early 80's. I have heard of a rumor that they have gotten back together and have released a couple new albums. Any information on the tunes Ormand's Favorite and The World Cup Reel would be greatly appreciated and/or help locating a copy of the album. Thanks, Elheran __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] The Well Buked Ballap
There's a tune in James Thomson's 1702 manuscript of Scots music for the treble recorder called The Well Buked Ballap. (Most of these tunes were reprinted by David Johnson long ago and I think are still available). It had never occurred to me to look the meaning up; I assumed it had something to do with food, some obscure kind of cake. By accident I just came across ballop in Warrick's dictionary. The title really means the well-filled codpiece. Okay, are there any words for this??? === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ === Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
