Jack Campin wrote:
I suppose this sort of relates to last week's discussion of 3/2 hornpipes.
I abc'd this tune from Robert Petrie's 3rd Collection of Strathspey Reels
c. this week for a friend and thought someone here might be interested in
it. The tempo seems weird at first glance but it's a lot of fun to play! I
have 2 questions:
1) What does the title mean? I'm guessing Old Age and Young Never Agrees.
Yup. I have seen a text for it once, perhaps Bruce knows it?
2) Does anyone know what sort of dance would have been done to it?
T:Auld Eage and Young Never Grees the Gither
It's a 3/2 hornpipe (as discussed here this week); I posted a mid-18th
century version of it a few months back. It's probably a Scottish
version of an English tune from the 17th century; Three Sharp Knives
and Black's Hornpipe both resemble it. For lots more, look for John
Offord's transcription of John of the Greeny Cheshire Way - ABCed and
on the web somewhere - or Thomas Marsden's 1705 collection of Lancashire
hornpipes, which I guess must have been reprinted but I have no idea
when.
Here's that Scots version (with only three parts):
X:2
T:Old Age and Young
S:Dow MS, fiddle part (c.1746?)
N:written as 6/4 in MS
N:first note in bar 2 of third section is missing in MS, my guess
N:third note in bar 3 of third section is missing in MS, my guess
M:3/2
L:1/4
Q:1/2=100 % my guess
K:GDor
G2 Bc d(c/B/)|A FF c A(G/F/) |G2 Bc d(c/B/)|A G2 g A(G/F/) :|
ga gG A2 |F f2 F A/B/c/A/|ga gG A2 |G g2 G A/B/c/A/:|
GA GG, B,2|G, D2 B AG/F/ |GA GG, B,2|D g2 B AG/F/ :|
These things are metrically a bit like some Swedish schottisches. Is
there any genetic relationship or similarity in the dance steps?
An oddity of 3/2 tunes in Scotland is that by the late 18th century they
came to be associated with childhood - Nathaniel Gow's Miss Baird of
Saughtonhall was for a girl of 7, and Go to Berwick Johnnie is given
a nursery-song text in the notes to the Scots Musical Museum.
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There are some 'old age and young' (and 'Ages of Man') songs since the
late 16th century, and I'll take a look at them when I can, but it will
be a fews days from now (Monday) at least.
Bruce Olson
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