Re: [scots-l] The Kirk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was going through McGibbon's Scots Tunes (1762, according to Glen)
and found a tune called An the Kirk wad let me be. I thought also
of the title De'il Stick the Minister, also from the mid-18th
century, and wondered if there was a connection. Perhaps some kind of
reaction to the Scottish Kirk at that time? Was there some kind of
anti-clerical feeling in Scotland in the mid-18th century, and was
this an influence or a reaction to the politics of the time?
Regards,
Andrew Kuntz
X:1
T:An the Kirk wad let me be
M:3/4
L:1/8
R:Air
N:Slow
S:McGibbon - Scots Tunes, Book 1 (c. 1762)
Z:AK/Fiddler's Companion
K:G
G3AG2 | B2d2e2 | {e}d2 (cB)(AG) | trA4G2 | A2B2d2 | tre4 (d/e/g) |
G2B2d2 |
g2f2e2 | d2 (cB)(AG) | A2B2d2 | B2 (cB)(AG) | trE4 D2 :: g2d2g2 | g3
aga |
trf3ed2 | (e2d2)B2 | g3 abc' | tr{b}a4 g2 | g2d2g2 | b2a2g2 |
trf3ed2 | e2f2g2 |
{e}d2 (cB)(AG) | tr{B}A4G2 :: d6 | (ed)(cB)g2 | {e}d2 (cB)(AG) |
tr{B}A4G2 |
tra4 (gf) | e2 tr(f2{e/f/}g2) | G2B2d2 | g2 (ag)tr(fe) | d2
(cB)(AG) | A2B2 (A/B/d) |
B2 (cB)(AG) | trE4D2 :: ga b2g2 | d2g2b2 | {b}a2 (gf)(ed) |
(e2d2)b2 | gfgab c' |
tr{b}a4 g2 | b 2 gabg | a2 fgaf | (gf)(ef)(ge) | (dcB)(cd)B | g2d2
Bc | tr{B}A4G2 :|
M:9/8
L:1/8
N:Brisk
GAG Bde dBG | trA2G ABd tre2g | GAB gfe dBG | ABd cAG trE2D :|
|: gdg gag trfed | edB gab tra2g | gag bag trfed | (e/f/g)e
dBG trA2G :|
See the Irish tune title index on my website for other (crossed
referenced) titles.
There is evidence from The Scottish Contract, c 1676, (Silly Old Masn
title) that the tune was known then in England, and The Scottish
Contract (in Scarce Songs file on my website contains an early version
of The Blythsome Bridal, a main title of An the kirk wad lat me
be
Bruce O.
Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes,
and broadside ballads at my no-spam website
A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click here for homepage (=
subject index) /a
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Re: [scots-l] Roman wall
Never done this before, but working by analogy from what you wrote, here goes - X: ? T:The Roman Wall M:6/8 L:1/8 C:? R:Jig Z:Adam Gray, transcribed by Matt Seattle K:A E|ABA cBA|cea ecA|def ecA|GBB B2E|ABA cBA|cea ecA|def ecA|BAG A2:: e|a2a gfe|fga ecA|def ecA|GBB B2e|aba gfe|fga ecA|def ecA|BAG A2e| a2a gfe|fga ecA|def ecA|GBB B2E|ABA cBA|cea ecA|def ecA|BAG A2|| It's not that different from the Pete Coe version, I suspect Pete (whom I know) changed it a wee bit in learning it. I've been playing this into Calliope House, going from A to E. The chords are obvious I IV and V, except that in bars 1, 5 and 9 of strain 2 I use F#m - C#m. I'm aware of the Cape Breton 'same root' practice, but am more used to going from one key to another in medleys. The logical conclusion of the same root is to stick to one tune only and play variations - which I sometimes do when playing pipes. I have a few extreme examples which I occasionally inflict on dancers and my colleagues... Cheers Matt Seattle Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] E Jig set suggestions (Calliope House)
I posted a C# minor one here a while back, you might give that a try in front of it if you want to keep the key signature... T:Carfrae Frolic This is quite an obscure one.. What's the story about how you found this one? Not-very-systematically trawling through EVERYTHING. I think I've read through at least one printing of almost every Scottish music sheet known to the National Library of Scotland. I was probably looking for something else related to Edinburgh or flute music in a music sheet at the time. The way those sheets are archived is usually in big bound volumes of up to 250 items, often assembled by somebody around 200 years ago and left the way they came when put in the library. Since the NLS cataloguing is often not very informative, if I'm looking for one item in such a volume I'd scan through the whole thing and note down anything else that might come in handy someday for one of the projects I've got in the pipeline. One future project that requires massive survey of such music sheets is my plan to survey the whole output of Scottish women tune composers. Almost none of their stuff made it into book form, and catalogues hardly help at all (as many of them used transparent pseudonyms or published tunes under both their maiden and married names, or had married names that changed when their husbands got fancier titles). So there is no substitute for sheer grunt with that one. (Doesn't help that their music is mostly for keyboard and sometimes uses pianistic effects that get lost if you try to reduce it to a melody line - no alternative to transcribing the whole damn thing). Anyone heard of Mr Mather, composer of the Carfrae Frolic? - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ * homepage for my CD-ROMs of Scottish traditional music; free stuff on food intolerance, music and Mac logic fonts. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] The Kirk
I was going through McGibbon's Scots Tunes (1762, according to Glen) and found a tune called An the Kirk wad let me be. I thought also of the title De'il Stick the Minister, also from the mid-18th century, and wondered if there was a connection. They're completely different tunes. There are words known for An the kirk wad let me be - it's much older than 1762 - but none I've ever heard of for Deil stick the minister. (There is a Shetland tune of the latter title, totally unrelated to the 18th century one). Perhaps some kind of reaction to the Scottish Kirk at that time? Was there some kind of anti-clerical feeling in Scotland in the mid-18th century, and was this an influence or a reaction to the politics of the time? How many books do you have time to read? Scottish religious politics has always been immensely complicated, and you don't have a prayer of interpreting a polemic against ministers unless you know exactly who wrote it and when. There are some 18th century polemics related to patronage disputes in which I can work out absolutely *nothing* of the author's intention, or who his target was, except that he was mightily pissed off about something. - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ * homepage for my CD-ROMs of Scottish traditional music; free stuff on food intolerance, music and Mac logic fonts. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #562
Re: Alasdair Fraser pairs it with The Cowboy Jig (in A) on The Road... The problem with the Fraser pairing is that he plays Calliope House in D. The contra dance band I play in plays Calliope (in E) in the middle of a three-tune set, followed by the reel MacArthur Road, another tune in E by Dave Richardson. But that doesn't help anyone who needs an all-jig set. Mike McGeary Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #562
Mike McGeary said: Re: Alasdair Fraser pairs it with The Cowboy Jig (in A) on The Road... The problem with the Fraser pairing is that he plays Calliope House in D. I think you're wrong, Mike. The version he taught us (San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers) is in E. -Steve -- Steve Wyrick - Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] E Jig set suggestions (Calliope House)
Jack Campin wrote: I posted a C# minor one here a while back, you might give that a try in front of it if you want to keep the key signature... T:Carfrae Frolic This is quite an obscure one.. What's the story about how you found this one? Not-very-systematically trawling through EVERYTHING. I think I've read through at least one printing of almost every Scottish music sheet known to the National Library of Scotland. I was probably looking for something else related to Edinburgh or flute music in a music sheet at the time. The way those sheets are archived is usually in big bound volumes of up to 250 items, often assembled by somebody around 200 years ago and left the way they came when put in the library. Since the NLS cataloguing is often not very informative, if I'm looking for one item in such a volume I'd scan through the whole thing and note down anything else that might come in handy someday for one of the projects I've got in the pipeline. So there very well could be diamonds among the coal there? Amazing.. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #562
Mike McGeary wrote: Re: Alasdair Fraser pairs it with The Cowboy Jig (in A) on The Road... The problem with the Fraser pairing is that he plays Calliope House in D. Yes, and Calliope House doesn't sound as good in D, as it does in E. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Roman wall
On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 05:37 AM, Matt Seattle wrote: Never done this before, but working by analogy from what you wrote, here goes - X: ? T:The Roman Wall M:6/8 L:1/8 Actually Matt, you did a great job. I like the changes you suggest. See! Abc ain't all that hard to read and write in. I'm not sure if I agree with your logical conclusion here... I'm aware of the Cape Breton 'same root' practice, but am more used to going from one key to another in medleys. The logical conclusion of the same root is to stick to one tune only and play variations - which I sometimes do when playing pipes... Or better stated, I guess the Cape Breton fiddle tradition hasn't evolved by logic What has evolved tho is that the fiddlers have to learn lots of tunes to be able to play twenty - thirty minute sets in the same root. Each tune is rarely played thru more than twice. And of course each scale root will its own huge set of tunes. The CB style is to learn the tune in the right way, leaving creation of variations to visitors from away. Thanks for the tune, John Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #562
Steve Wyrick wrote: Mike McGeary said: Re: Alasdair Fraser pairs it with The Cowboy Jig (in A) on The Road... The problem with the Fraser pairing is that he plays Calliope House in D. I think you're wrong, Mike. The version he taught us (San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers) is in E. -Steve ...and now that I've had a chance to pull out my copy of 'The Road North', I can verify that he Calliope House in E there too. Mike, maybe you're thinking of somebody else's version? -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Old Age and Young
Bruce Olson wrote: There are some 'old age and young' (and 'Ages of Man') songs since the late 16th century, and I'll take a look at them when I can, but it will be a fews days from now (Monday) at least. Bruce Olson I'd appreciate any information you have, Bruce, whenever you get to it. Thanks -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #562
Mike McGeary wrote: Re: Alasdair Fraser pairs it with The Cowboy Jig (in A) on The Road... The problem with the Fraser pairing is that he plays Calliope House in D. Toby wrote - Yes, and Calliope House doesn't sound as good in D, as it does in E. Quite right, and it lies well on the fiddle in E as well. I've never understood why one would bother to put it into D. Maybe they couldn't find jigs in E to put it with?? ;) Jan Tappan Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #562
Tappan wrote: Yes, and Calliope House doesn't sound as good in D, as it does in E. Quite right, and it lies well on the fiddle in E as well. I've never understood why one would bother to put it into D. Maybe they couldn't find jigs in E to put it with?? ;) The Irish flute guys put it into D so they could play it. Intrestingly enough my baritone voice likes to sing in keys like Bb and F, but my fingers don't like those keys as much on the fiddle.. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Old Age and Young
Steve Wyrick wrote: Bruce Olson wrote: There are some 'old age and young' (and 'Ages of Man') songs since the late 16th century, and I'll take a look at them when I can, but it will be a fews days from now (Monday) at least. Bruce Olson I'd appreciate any information you have, Bruce, whenever you get to it. Thanks -Steve -- Steve Wyrick -- Concord, California Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html For two quickies see in the broadside ballad index in section 1 below, ZN3555, and ZN271. -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, and broadside ballads at my no-spam website A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click here for homepage (= subject index) /a Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
