Re: [scots-l] The Unfortunate Rake
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:00:41 -0500, Bruce Olson wrote: The Library of Congress has 'Crosby's Irish Musical Repository', 1808, which contain the tune "The Unfortunate Rake", and is tha source of the Bruce, Is this online? I don't see it in the American Memory Collection choices. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida Boycott South Carolina! http://www.naacp.org/communications/press_releases/SCEconomic2.asp Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Scottish Young Traditional Music Awards
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:17:54 + (GMT), Nigel Gatherer wrote: Last Thursday they featured the Scottish Young Traditional Music Awards - or some such - and I found it rather depressing listening. Most of the young musicians chose to play Irish tunes and sets, some of them very much in an Irish style. I wouldn't worry about it - just the current fad - little to do with anything ongoing. What does Fisher know about folk music, anyway? Actually, it's only fair. For many decades all the Irish folky-pop singers had to sing Scottish songs and ballads - maybe half their repertoire - when there are a huge number of Irish songs ballads they might have chosen instead. Arguably (but I don't mean to troll this at all) the Scots songs are better, more singable and especially less solo/more singalong. Why Scots ballads should be perceived to sell better than sean nos, I can't say, though. Now we have the popularity of tunes and (arguably (but I don't mean to troll this at all) Irish tunes are better and, even when the two share a tune, the Irish version is _perceived_ to be more creative "catchy." May be true. Just the way fad fashion work. Next generation Appalachian (non-bluegrass) tunes may be all the rage. They're good too. But dinna worry - thin has little to do with the living, continuing tradition. That goes a bit beyond immediate pop fads. Usually. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida Boycott South Carolina! http://www.naacp.org/communications/press_releases/SCEconomic2.asp Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] hunting the haggis
Sid at scottish.parliament sends me
http://www.haggishunt.com/home.cfm http://www.haggishunt.com/home.cfm
It will soon be Burns Night. I'm excused, but the rest of you might like to get your
complete guide to the haggis here.
The site offers "great prizes to revive a fine old Scottish tradition:
hunting the haggis."
It really is comprehensive with photos of the beast and full details;
"If you want to know more about these fantastic creatures, check out our
Haggisclopedia" at http://www.haggishunt.com/pedia.cfm
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Re: [scots-l] Was Burns a racist?
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:37:15 +, David Kilpatrick wrote: Buchan's note implies that it might well have involved ANY children, of ANY families. Given the strong family ties present in any town, even as big as Aberdeen, and the propensity of families for direct revenge it seems unlikely that the kidnappers would have preyed on their neighbours I have little knowledge of the system and, in fact, it varied considerably. My understanding is that the indentured servitude concept was one of contract, not commonly understood slavery. One voluntarily sold oneself into the system - often for a relatively short period. The usual reason cited was merely for passage-money from some impoverished European (although most commonly Scots or Irish) area. The period would be a few years. Larger sums might be needed, however and result in 20 years' servitude. Indentured servants were not chattel slaves, however and the servant had civil rights. As well the right to freedom and whatever separation wealth he was entitled to by, and at the end of the contract. The master might treat ISs poorly (picture Dickensian) but did not have total authority. Picture something more akin to Biblical slavery than US South. The system of chattel slavery used there was a weird abomination - dysfunctional and more severe than even ancient Rome or the like. Slavery is generally a socially regulated system, guaranteeing the slave certain (if limited) rights and dignity reasonable treatment. It was always a form of job. Generally similar to the serf system. What makes the US system so famous (and typically thought of as the standard) is it's concept of slaves as _property_ (chattel) rather than people. Biblical slaves in Hebrew territory were entitled to the same rules as any other - no work on Sabbath, etc. US slaves had the same rights as a piece of wood - none. Horses had better treatment by social convention. Obviously, many owners acted more or less rationally within the system and provided good treatment for loyalty and hard work. But it wasn't required. I think only the Arab concept came close as to property, but even there slaves were (are) humans with souls and expected to have minimal good treatment. The Brit Empire didn't end slavery until some 20 years before the US (but continued slave trade until ended by the US) and Spain until 20 years later. But British Caribbean slavery was not chattel slavery. Slaves had rights and (at least in Jamaica that I know of) Sundays off. On Sunday, slaves were free to work for themselves on their own property and personally own the fruits (literally) of their labor. That profit was from time to time used to purchase their own freedom. I offer all this bull just to set some background and make no value judgement on the systems or Burns. It would not surprise me to learn of endless abuses of the system and/or new, supressed history of it. The Ency. Brit (a handy but not a terriffic source) says: Indentured labour, one form of contract labour, was common in North America in colonial times. Its subjects were western European (mainly British) males and females. Some of the contracts were similar to apprenticeships, while the terms of others were harsh--usually imposed on criminals whose sentences were commuted if they agreed to colonial indenture. The indenture of Chinese and Indian labourers, who were commonly called coolies, was associated with European imperialism. Contract labour is still found among migrant workers. A U.S. law of 1951 permitted the importation of agricultural workers from Mexico under contract, specifying that such importation would be subject to governmental supervision. And in that regard: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida Boycott South Carolina! http://www.naacp.org/communications/press_releases/SCEconomic2.asp Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Scottish Study Tour
On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:09:55 -0700, Susan Tichy wrote: Rob MacKillop wrote: How about Old Worlders? - it sounds great. Anybody, everybody. For what it's worth, I'll persnally endorse Susan as being legit and good at whatever she does. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida Boycott South Carolina! http://www.naacp.org/communications/press_releases/SCEconomic2.asp Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Internet Radio Station for Scottish Traditional Music
On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:06:18 -0800, Toby Rider wrote:
I got my latest little project finally working. I have set up an
Internet Radio Station using Shoutcast that will play Scottish
Traditional Music 24/7. Please do me a big favor if you are interested
and go to www.shoutcast.com then do a search for "celtic", then select
to listen to my radio station "Tobys Traditional Music".Then it should
Good so far. Thing seems to work play in Florida, too.
I believe you can bypass the above and put:
http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=241546addr=207.136.137.69:8000file=filename.pls
direct into RealPlayer's Favorites area. This would bypass the browser and
ads. Also (once online) into RP's Location thing (Ctrl-L). Maybe that's
illegal, though.
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Re: [scots-l] Re: scots-l-digest V1 #351
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:30:50 -0500, Bruce Olson wrote: Steve Roud's folksong index This remains a for-fee-only CD? Not online? Sigh. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida Boycott South Carolina! http://www.naacp.org/communications/press_releases/SCEconomic2.asp Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Campaign for Real Ballads (was: Inverness a City...)
On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:38:02 +, David Kilpatrick wrote: Maybe not Bowdlerized, given the number of version of the song - and this episode is mythical one, I think. According to Child, Gilbert Hay, the tenth Earl of Errol, married Catherine Carnegie (Daughter of an Earl, as I recall) on January 7, 1658. Errol died in 1674 without having had any children. Their marital problems _may_ have produced a hearing in 1659. There _was_ a family court case, but the records were trashed. There is no known info on it. The whole song is - oral tradition if not myth. I've never found anything to show he married any milkmaid that does seem unlikely. We know he never recognized any child - from either side of the bed. But the song serves many lessons in morality, law, the legal nature of marriage (with conditions under which dowry becomes payable) etc. What I should have said is that the word city isn't used. Of course cities But the distinction between Town and Country is common and frequent enough. And there's frequent distinction between the rural market town and the - well, very large town. I don't think, eg, The Merchant's Son would have had the same troubles in a village-with-inn. As has been said, "city" is a special legal status - varying but certainly with greater legal autonomy and privledge than a "village" or even an "incorporated village" (very common in the US.) It's more than just a big community. US UK share some commonalities here - City Charter granting its status and (although don't put any bar bets on it) status equivalent to County - ie, not subject to superior laws of the township or county. As well, as has been said, the right to enact local ordinance and elect Mayor city council (although an "incorporated village" may do this last, too.) It's part of that great egalitarian, levelling sort of thing in ballad language (esp in Scots); I think so too. But I wouldn't (and don't think you meant to) make too much of it. Remembering that a) there just weren't that many cities in Scotland and b) or perhaps therefore, most of the ballad action occurs in the country, whether of common or gentle folk. As I walked into Glasgow city Nancy Whiskey I chanced to smell I walked in, sat down beside her Seven long years I loved her well (C. Weaver) And as she rode into Glasgow town, The city for to see, The bailiff's wife and the provost's wife Cried, "Ach, and alas for thee." (Mary Ham) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida Boycott South Carolina! http://www.naacp.org/communications/press_releases/SCEconomic2.asp Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
