Re: [scots-l] The Kirk

[Bruce Olson]

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 I was going through McGibbon's Scots Tunes (1762, according to Glen)
 and found a tune called An the Kirk wad let me be.  I thought also
 of the title De'il Stick the Minister, also from the mid-18th
 century, and wondered if there was a connection. Perhaps some kind of
 reaction to the Scottish Kirk at that time? Was there some kind of
 anti-clerical feeling in Scotland in the mid-18th century, and was
 this an influence or a reaction to the politics of the time?
 
 Regards,
 Andrew Kuntz
 
 X:1
 T:An the Kirk wad let me be
 M:3/4
 L:1/8
 R:Air
 N:Slow
 S:McGibbon - Scots Tunes, Book 1 (c. 1762)
 Z:AK/Fiddler's Companion
 K:G
 G3AG2 | B2d2e2 | {e}d2 (cB)(AG) | trA4G2 | A2B2d2 | tre4 (d/e/g) |
 G2B2d2 |
 g2f2e2 | d2 (cB)(AG) | A2B2d2 | B2 (cB)(AG) | trE4 D2 :: g2d2g2 | g3
 aga |
 trf3ed2 | (e2d2)B2 | g3 abc' | tr{b}a4 g2 | g2d2g2 | b2a2g2 |
 trf3ed2 | e2f2g2 |
 {e}d2 (cB)(AG) | tr{B}A4G2 :: d6 | (ed)(cB)g2 | {e}d2 (cB)(AG) |
 tr{B}A4G2 |
 tra4 (gf) | e2 tr(f2{e/f/}g2) | G2B2d2 | g2 (ag)tr(fe) | d2
 (cB)(AG) | A2B2 (A/B/d) |
 B2 (cB)(AG) | trE4D2 :: ga b2g2 | d2g2b2 | {b}a2 (gf)(ed) |
 (e2d2)b2 | gfgab c' |
 tr{b}a4 g2 | b 2 gabg | a2 fgaf | (gf)(ef)(ge) | (dcB)(cd)B | g2d2
 Bc | tr{B}A4G2 :|
 M:9/8
 L:1/8
 N:Brisk
 GAG Bde dBG | trA2G ABd tre2g | GAB gfe dBG | ABd cAG trE2D :|
 |: gdg gag trfed | edB gab tra2g | gag bag trfed | (e/f/g)e
 dBG trA2G :|

See the Irish tune title index on my website for other (crossed
referenced) titles. 
There is evidence from The Scottish Contract, c 1676, (Silly Old Masn
title) that the tune was known then in England, and The Scottish
Contract (in Scarce Songs file on my website contains an early version
of The Blythsome Bridal, a main title of An the kirk wad lat me
be

Bruce O.
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Re: [scots-l] The Kirk

[Jack Campin]

 I was going through McGibbon's Scots Tunes (1762, according to Glen)
 and found a tune called An the Kirk wad let me be.  I thought also
 of the title De'il Stick the Minister, also from the mid-18th century,
 and wondered if there was a connection.

They're completely different tunes.  There are words known for An the
kirk wad let me be - it's much older than 1762 - but none I've ever
heard of for Deil stick the minister.  (There is a Shetland tune of
the latter title, totally unrelated to the 18th century one).


 Perhaps some kind of reaction to the Scottish Kirk at that time?  Was
 there some kind of anti-clerical feeling in Scotland in the mid-18th
 century, and was this an influence or a reaction to the politics of
 the time?

How many books do you have time to read?  Scottish religious politics
has always been immensely complicated, and you don't have a prayer of
interpreting a polemic against ministers unless you know exactly who
wrote it and when.  There are some 18th century polemics related to
patronage disputes in which I can work out absolutely *nothing* of the
author's intention, or who his target was, except that he was mightily
pissed off about something.



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