Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2004-01-05 Thread Willie
On Sunday 04 January 2004 20:43, William Anderson wrote: [snip] Special Interest Group is probably a better term :) agreed Install Days and similar events are definitely a good idea, but organising them can be a bitch. Perhaps linking with (semi-)professional LAN party organisers would

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2004-01-05 Thread William Anderson
Willie wrote: On Sunday 04 January 2004 20:43, William Anderson wrote: [snip] Special Interest Group is probably a better term :) agreed Install Days and similar events are definitely a good idea, but organising them can be a bitch. Perhaps linking with (semi-)professional LAN party

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2004-01-04 Thread Willie
On Saturday 03 January 2004 02:09, Rob Lazzurs wrote: snip Just IMHO, however I think you only have to have a look at the LUG through in Edinbugger to find out why this is a bad idea. Sorry for coming into this thread so late, I have been stuck on a windows machine and I have just finally

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2004-01-04 Thread William Anderson
Willie wrote: [snip] If we do have a committee, it will take some thick-skinned and determined folk on that committee to keep it running right. Organising geeks is like herding cats (apologies to whoever I stole that line off). We all think we are bright enough to think we know better and we

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-15 Thread Gordon JC Pearce
On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 23:27, ptb wrote: Don't get me wrong, SLUG has been fine in terms of individual members' achievements and help given but what has it done in say the last six months except survive? Pat It's easy to sit and heckle from the sidelines, isn't it? It seems it's a lot

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-15 Thread dode
On Sunday 14 December 2003 21:14, Ian Ruffell wrote: Don't get me wrong, SLUG has been fine in terms of individual members' achievements and help given but what has it done in say the last six months except survive? Don't knock the personal contacts, help given and expertise shared. In my

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-14 Thread Ian Ruffell
Just a couple of follow-ups. On the issue of PDAs, I believe MSPs get nice new shiny, officially-sanctioned Palms these days. Colin (Speirs) talked of the difficulties of short-term success. Sure - and that's true of so many places. BUT, frustrating as it is (and believe me I KNOW how

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-13 Thread Willie
On Saturday 13 December 2003 15:28, ed wrote: I have no fondness for the Tories either. I only know she is a Psion user because I saw her use on on the Glasgow-Edinburgh train and since I also used a Psion, a 3a compred to her Psion5, I was aware of the difficulties Psion using politicos

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-13 Thread Julian Gibson
Colin McKinnon wrote: The three document management systems I've come across (apologies if I've overlooked someone here Julian) are all intensively Microsoft based. The serious contenders tend to run on a variety of platforms, i.e. Documentum ($500k+): Platforms Supported Windows NT Server 4.0

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-13 Thread Willie
On Saturday 13 December 2003 14:13, Martin Habets wrote: snip And with all the political talk I think we have found a perfect raison d'etre for the Scottish LUG (versus the Glasgow LUG). With SLUG we can have one interface to all of of Scottish politics, and we can all contact our local MSPs.

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-13 Thread ptb
Hallo all : - As an activity/interest group that can't even agree on having any need for a customarily-adequate para-bureaucratic committee component, SLUG would maybe feel out of place dealing with politicians who actually want to govern and are willing to face up to trying to do it. So maybe

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-13 Thread Willie
On Saturday 13 December 2003 23:27, ptb wrote: Hallo all : - As an activity/interest group that can't even agree on having any need for a customarily-adequate para-bureaucratic committee component, SLUG would maybe feel out of place dealing with politicians who actually want to govern and

RE: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-12 Thread Colin . Speirs
Title: RE: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG Just for clarification: it's more a case of persuading folk like the Scottish Executive and the Scottish Parliament Corporate Body to shift off MS; not to mention encouraging similar moves in the public sector at large. Pat talks

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-11 Thread Gordon JC Pearce
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 20:10, Ian Ruffell wrote: Just for clarification: it's more a case of persuading folk like the Scottish Executive and the Scottish Parliament Corporate Body to shift off MS; not to mention encouraging similar moves in the public sector at large. Pat talks about this

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-11 Thread Colin McKinnon
On Thursday 11 December 2003 10:03, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 20:10, Ian Ruffell wrote: Just for clarification: it's more a case of persuading folk like the Scottish Executive and the Scottish Parliament Corporate Body to shift off MS; not to mention encouraging similar

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-11 Thread Tony Dyer
TEST Sending to both Willie and list by means of auto reply Tony D In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Willie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Thursday 11 December 2003 10:03, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 20:10, Ian Ruffell wrote: Did he now? I never got that msg which is kinda

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-11 Thread Ian Ruffell
On Thursday 11 December 2003 10:16 pm, ed wrote: As an IT person working for the Scottish Executive I obviously can't say anything about this but if an MSP were to ask the Executive when the last time they had an OS refresh, what OS it was and what consideration was given to Linux I do not

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-11 Thread Ian Ruffell
It's not so much getting politicians away from using Microsoft's products (although it could save a substantial amount) as getting them away from closed, secret, non-free document formats. Yeah, I don't dispute that open formats are a large issue. But a) saving money is not to be sniffed

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-10 Thread Allan Whiteford
William Anderson wrote: Colin McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 09 Dec 2003 14:40, William Anderson wrote: Is it time perhaps to rename ourselves the Glasgow LUG? Also, the Scottish LUG could be reused as an umbrella organisation, perhaps uniting the other LUGs in Scotland to form a larger community

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG

2003-12-10 Thread Ian Ruffell
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 12:01 pm, Willie wrote: Possibly it may evolve into 2 talks per month, one for beginners and one more advanced. Probably a good idea not to get trapped into a binary newbie/advanced (I know that's not quite what you're saying) - maybe a better way of looking at it

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG (was: Re: Next Meeting)

2003-12-09 Thread Phil Deane
On Tuesday 09 Dec 2003 14:40, William Anderson wrote: Is it time perhaps to rename ourselves the Glasgow LUG? Also, the Scottish LUG could be reused as an umbrella organisation, perhaps uniting the other LUGs in Scotland to form a larger community ... This could be an excellent way of

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG (was: Re: Next Meeting)

2003-12-09 Thread Ian Ruffell
On Tuesday 09 December 2003 3:58 pm, Ben Thorp wrote: Feb - Debate - will Linux be ready for the desktop in 2004 bits snipped Tony has advised that he doesn't think that a debate is a good idea, so we can change that one. I don't know about a debate as such, but it would be handy to have a

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG (was: Re: Next Meeting)

2003-12-09 Thread Allan Whiteford
Ian Ruffell wrote: (e.g. my major concern still is the Access replacement - both Rekall and Kexio are getting there, perhaps) but also to do with institutions and processes. Ian, What's Kexio? I'm guessing it's a tyop since google only returns 9 results, none of which seem relevant or maybe

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG (was: Re: Next Meeting)

2003-12-09 Thread Kyle Gordon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 09 December 2003 19:40, Allan Whiteford wrote: Ian Ruffell wrote: (e.g. my major concern still is the Access replacement - both Rekall and Kexio are getting there, perhaps) but also to do with institutions and processes. Ian,

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG (was: Re: Next Meeting)

2003-12-09 Thread Kyle Gordon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 09 December 2003 19:03, Phil Deane wrote: On Tuesday 09 Dec 2003 14:40, William Anderson wrote: Is it time perhaps to rename ourselves the Glasgow LUG? Also, the Scottish LUG could be reused as an umbrella organisation, perhaps

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG (was: Re: Next Meeting)

2003-12-09 Thread Ian Ruffell
On Tuesday 09 December 2003 9:42 pm, Kyle Gordon wrote: I believe he was meaning Kexi, from http://www.koffice.org/kexi/ Yes, ahem, sorry. My bad. (There's a [non-free] Latin grammar program called Flexio which is on my mind at the moment for various reasons: one of my copious-free-time

Re: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG (was: Re: Next Meeting)

2003-12-09 Thread Kyle Gordon
Ben Thorp wrote: Unfortunately I don't have access to IRC from work, and I'm not always free in the evening :o( However, I will try and attend more. I posted a topic with some suggestions for talks/topics for the next 6 months on the webpage. It went something like this: Jan - Bring