Re: [Scottish] Cost of M$ in councils.
Hi Dan On 28 January 2011 07:24, Dan Shearer d...@shearer.org wrote: From the perception that Windows is free the line of reasoning follows that the bar for Linux is a lot higher, because Windows is compatible with everything currently in use. Thus Linux is introducing cost for no short-term functional gain. Can't speak for Councils, though I work for the SG I shouldn't comment on their purchasing policies, but my mum works for a Council down south so I'll throw some comments at you based on a conversation I had with some of her colleagues who work in her IT department. Windows isn't seen as free because of the inclusion with the PC, the machines are all rebuilt with a standard build. The software in accounted for by seats and volume licencing. Windows desktop software has a lot of traction if for no other reason than the investment the users have made in Excel spreadsheets and macros over the years. The IT guys like AD stuff, giving them a bewildering level of control. The main training expense would be not in training the users, if they can use Windows they can use Gnome or XFCE, but in the IT folks who would need a lot of retraining, and a shedload of work trying to recreate their network in Linux form, Linux and Unix are in there somewhere, but usually specific servers of tools with embedded Linux. Colin ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Cost of M$ in councils.
hey As fr the guy who said that only the IT staff would need re-trained, I have a figure, quoted from a councilor (in a related, but not identical incident) that retraining the technical support team (this is for schools) would cost in the tens of thousands., That was me quoting. The bloke I spoke to reckoned that most folk in the office used Word Excel Email Client Web interface Specific applications, many of which were web based Since they had been using Office 2003, he thought most would adapt quickly to OpenOffice He thought Evolution would not be a hard adapt from Outlook Firefox wasn't too different from IE and some folk already had it And the application stuff, that would require some adaptation, but the majority of it was server based. There would be expenses in fixing some IE specific javascript. Since the big changes would be on the server side, he foresaw most of the training on IT staff and key users who could then travel around and help the transition Then he said though that being tied into the technology at the silly level (Excel mainly) would be a hell of a friction to deal with col ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Which ISP - It's that time again
Umm Be started yesterday. col On 22 Jul 2010 12:40, Hamish Allan ham...@gmail.com wrote: That took a while! Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mailman.lug.org.uk) by mailman.lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from scottish-boun...@mailman.lug.org.uk) id 1ObtoS-0002CT-NH; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:19:40 + Received: from mail-in-01.lug.org.uk ([217.147.93.69]) by mailman.lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from p...@darktech.org.uk) id 1NxiWH-0007rh-0a for scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:10:49 + H On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Philip Gaw p...@darktech.org.uk wrote: If you cant get LLU, I w... ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
[Scottish] Which ISP - It's that time again
Hi folks After a year and a half of Orange I'm finding the speed dropping like a very slow simile by Richard Curtis. I live in the Queen's Park area of Glasgow so I know that the local exchange isn't wonderful, but it isn't THAT bad. Any recommendations for a ISP for home Broadband that won't have me cursing through unnecessary lag when gaming? cheers Colin ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
[Scottish] Cheap and cheerful hosting?
Hello folks Looking for a web hosting company for a personal site with Database and scripting for not much money and not expecting much traffic Any suggestions? Thanks col ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Petition
Are GCSE's a thing in scotland? Isn't education a devolved matter? col ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Systems support role for ticketing software company in Edinburgh
Can I add to that caveat in Edinburgh which is not a cheap place to live col On 26 Jan 2009, 4:56 PM, Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ gordon...@gjcp.net wrote: On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 16:44 +, William Anderson wrote: William Anderson wrote: Will Tatam ... I would just like to point out that even if I was looking for another job in computing, there is *no way on earth* I would accept a job for £25k with unpaid overtime. Not a hope in hell. Gordon ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk ... ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Drupal and the society.......
On 23/02/2008 18:21:51, Claudio Calvelli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: William Anderson wrote: I think this has gone to the wrong list. Sorry to be a prick (it's my default state these days it seems), but why are we getting lots of messages to the scotlug list about dundee? I've been tempted to ask the same question but decided not to bother. I assume that people who want to know about Dundee have subscribed to that mailing list by now. I, for one, welcome our new Dundonian overlords. It doesn't bother me, though I'm hardly more than a lurker to this list, if Dundee, Aberdeen, Elgin or even Edinburgh post to this list. col -- In Absentia Luci, Tenebrae Vincit!* c.speirs @ equus . demon . NOTTHISBIT co . uk ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
[Scottish] Linux apparell in Glasgow
Hi I'm going to a work organised Vista event next Friday. Any good places in Glasgow to get a tasteful, but noticeable Penguin T-Shirt? col -- In Absentia Luci, Tenebrae Vincit!* c.speirs @ equus . demon . co . uk ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [BGSpam][Scottish] Bookshop trip -- AGAIN
willie wrote: Another bookshop trip has been arranged for Tuesday 13th February. Fairly short notice, I know but the bookshop owner is anxious to clear stock. So anxious that all prices are reduced to £5 and £10. It will be the same format as before from 7 till 9 with refreshments provided. As before, we need an idea of how many will be turning up so enough beer etc can be laid on. Please go to http://www.scotlug.org.uk/wiki/Talk:Meetings login and add your name if you are intending coming along. A torch might be handy for exploring the remoter nooks and crannies of the shelving system. It really is a cavernous cavern he has down there. GV ood idea, but Tuesdays I'm even more geeky than an interest in Linux would suggest and I wargame. However I know the Book Pedlar, I only live up the road from the Arcade and it is well worth a visit col -- In Absentia Luci, Tenebrae Vincit!* c.speirs @ equus . demon . co . uk ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:17:16 +, Allan Whiteford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Preaching to the converted is just so much more fulfilling. Alice wrote: This is not related to Colin's email: If someone's sole reason for coming to the meeting is to be disruptive or argue about the cards, than obviously I'd rather they didn't show up, because this is a relaunch meeting for a campaign group, and it'd be a bit disrespectful of everyone's time, as well as self important to think that the most important use of our collective time is to argue with a single person, when there's 5 million other folks in Scotland, and 58 million in the UK as a whole. Its also a bit arrogant - I'm sure you are a unique and special individual, but maybe we have thought of and already discarded those points. I'm equally sure you will form a unique and special group, but maybe we* have thought of and already discarded your points. * For we perhaps read SLUG, the other folks in Scotland, or maybe even the Goverment but you can certainly conclude that I'm not interested in listening to a group of people who think themself above listening to me should my point of view differ from theirs. I may well be doing Alice a disservice, email is such a tricky medium for judging intention correctly, but it comes across as a group perpetuating itself and its organisation. I'm sure I'm probably wrong but it might be worth talking to other anti-ID groups to make sure that you aren't dispersing your effort. Thing to avoid is the Judean Peoples Front type infighting. Best of luck, and remember people who disagree with you might not be evil. cds -- In Absentia Luci, Tenebrae Vincit!* c.speirs @ equus . demon . co . uk ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] defy id card meeting
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:52:15 +, Billy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 12:54:36PM +, Colin Speirs wrote: Thing to avoid is the Judean Peoples Front type infighting. You've never been to an SSP/SWP meeting... I can tell... ;-) Absolutely correct. But I've been to enough other committee structured things and known enough political activist types to have seen this sort of thing up close and personal. cds -- In Absentia Luci, Tenebrae Vincit!* c.speirs @ equus . demon . co . uk ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
[Scottish] Freedom of Information
hi Can anyone help me here Come Jan 1st 2005 public bodies in Scotland are covered by Freedom of Information. One of the strictures is to provide the info in the requested format. Could that include specifying a word processor file format? Like Open Office or KWord? col -- In Absentia Luci, Tenebrae Vincit!* c.speirs @ equus . demon . co . uk ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
[Scottish] Freedom of Information
hi Can anyone help me here Come Jan 1st 2005 public bodies in Scotland are covered by Freedom of Information. One of the strictures is to provide the info in the requested format. Could that include specifying a word processor file format? Like Open Office or KWord? col -- In Absentia Luci, Tenebrae Vincit!* c.speirs @ equus . demon . co . uk ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
RE: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG
Title: RE: [Scottish] The Future of the LUG Just for clarification: it's more a case of persuading folk like the Scottish Executive and the Scottish Parliament Corporate Body to shift off MS; not to mention encouraging similar moves in the public sector at large. Pat talks about this (with text of parliamentary questions, etc.) on his website (www.patrickharviemsp.com). It's not so much getting politicians away from using Microsoft's products (although it could save a substantial amount) as getting them away from closed, secret, non-free document formats. I can foresee problems ahead when all those documents written in Word 95 suddenly aren't readable when Office 2005 comes out and support for older formats is dropped (not that Microsoft would do such a thing, would they?) As an IT person working in IT for the Scottish Executive I'm saying nothing. However I think your chances of getting anything done in the short term considering there has just been a massive Microsoft based OS roll-out are minimal to say the least. cds *** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. *** ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
RE: [Scottish] PCI ADSL card?
Title: RE: [Scottish] PCI ADSL card? *** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. *** Hello S.L.U.G, Has anyone had any experience with internal ADSL cards? If so, what works and what doesn't? The Alcatel PCI Speedtouch card doesn't. Well, there is a bloke who has had it running after a recompile of RedHat 7.1. A page to look at is here, but I couldn't figure it out for my Mandrake distro. http://users.skynet.be/bk230664/linux/ cds
[Scottish] Mandrake 9.1 offers
Title: Mandrake 9.1 offers *** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. *** Thanks for the offers to copy. Unfortunately for some reason the Mailing list messages aren't reaching me at this email address. As far as I can tell I haven't inadvertently put a block on the list. (Willie, can you help?) Anyway. Anyone willing to copy please contact me directly with their address and I'll send them some blank CDs (will 74 minutes suffice?). Thanks awfully. And thanks to the couple of folk who suggested Linux Format June. Dagnabbit if I wasn't too late. Colin
[Scottish] Mandrake 9.1
Title: Mandrake 9.1 *** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. *** Hi there does any kind soul out there have Mandrake 9.1 and is willing to copy it (binary not source) for me? Obviously I'll supply the disks. THe update CD wouls also be appreciated -- Colin D. Speirs
RE: [Scottish] [OT] Anyone got.......
Title: RE: [Scottish] [OT] Anyone got... * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. * ...some advice, or some hardware for sale? Looking at buying a _cheap_ Palm - can stretch to a Zire (£80), but not much more than that. However, the Zire is only 2Mb, whereas methinks 8Mb would be preferable. Looked also at the Sony Clie PEG-SL10, but they seem quite hard to get hold of now. Other options would be a Handspring Visor, or a Palm M10, if I can find one cheap enough. So - does anyone have any preferences/suggestions on which to get, where to buy, or (better still) is anyone looking to sell some such gadget for a good price? I know it's twice your price but the Handspring Treo might be worth considering for it's combination of phone and organiser http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/Shop/detail.asp?ProductID=1039=99= or a used m105 from Amazon (£50) http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B5AM74/qid=1048690593/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_3_9/202-3559450-3167808 or IIIc (£115) http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/offering-page/index=fixed-price=used=B506B8=open=25=+price/ref=sdp_srli_u/202-3559450-3167808 cds
RE: [Scottish] allowing excessively slender metallic cylinders to convert potential energy to kinetic within a uniform 1G gravitational field
Title: RE: [Scottish] allowing excessively slender metallic cylinders to convert potential energy to kinetic within a uniform 1G gravitational field * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. * barely audible plink Is there any function under the GPL to allow someone to calculate with any degree of experimental accuracy the amount of theoretically posited etherial individuals able to perform simultaneous terpsichorean manoeuvres upon the manual control surface of an excessively slender metallic cylinder? cds
RE: [Scottish] Making scotlug mailing list available via gmane news gateway?
Title: RE: [Scottish] Making scotlug mailing list available via gmane news gateway? * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. * *** The thing with news (which has come as a shock to me, but then I'm prehistoric in web [sic] terms ;-)) is that generally only oldtimers and geeks do news (in the traditional usenet sense). Newbies (admittedly, we're probably not talking about Linux users here!) have enough trouble getting to grips with email, that news is just a completely alien planet to them.. ;-( On another mailing list, an adjunct to an alt. newsgroup (a clean one though, well, ish) the same conclusion has come to us which is why we're talking about building a web interface to a news server to allow people to participate by both web and trad news reader. News does seem to be the preserve these days of techheads, geeks, oldbies and the occasional binary downloader cds
RE: [Scottish] sql
Title: RE: [Scottish] sql * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. * appologies (and feeling really silly right now) this trivial question was not meant for this group. I was just looking for a quick and lazy answer from a work mate whos an informix 4gl answer so I could quickly test something. On Tuesday 28 January 2003 3:16 pm, Tam McLaughlin wrote: i am trying something in mysql but can't remember any sql. Say i have a field called name in table 1 and i want to select the name and the number of times that name appears in the table, how would i do it? If u can tell me, i can find the equiv syntax in mysql thanks. No exactly sure if you;re after the number of times the value name appears in the name of a field or whether a field name has a value whatever x number of times Assuming the latter select count(*) as 'no_of_times' from table1 where name = 'whatever' last one can be where name like '%whatever%' if you want to find the value anywhere in the string cds
RE: [Scottish] If you had a choice between...
Title: RE: [Scottish] If you had a choice between... * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. * One point re Mandrake, even though it is the distro I use at home is that the company has gone into bankruptcy protection http://212.100.234.54/content/4/28895.html Their own statement is here http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/press/briefs?n=/mandrakesoft/news/2405 This may or may not influence your decision cds
RE: [Scottish] If you had a choice between...
Title: RE: [Scottish] If you had a choice between... * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. * SuSE Linux Pro 8.1 from Amazon.co.uk £38.99 plus postage http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B6JT8L/qid=1042636197/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_3_1/202-3559450-3167808 Very tempting col
RE: [Scottish] [SLUG-announce] Xmas Meeting(s)
Title: RE: [Scottish] [SLUG-announce] Xmas Meeting(s) * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. * For those that cant stay away or cant make the 19th, there will be another pub meet on the 26th in the Goose on Union St. Boxing Day? I didn't know even that dive opened on Boxing Day cds
RE: [Scottish] This Mailing List
Title: RE: [Scottish] This Mailing List * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. * Hi Folks I've taken over the care and feeding of the mailing list to take some of the load off Tony. I am toying with the idea of splitting the list into two or possibly three. 1) slug-announce list -- low traffic with mostly just the formal notification of the monthly meeting and any other announcements 2) slug-chat -- medium traffic the standard mailinglist stuff and possibly 3) slug-off-topic scurrilous rumours and cars for sale etc The list does not, to me, seem to be high enough traffic to make this worth your hassle. If people want a simply [OT] in the subject could be a warning and people could make filters based on that. cds
RE: [Scottish] When and where are the meetings?
Title: RE: [Scottish] When and where are the meetings? * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. * -Original Message- From: Mark Marsella [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 14 November 2002 16:17 To: ScotLUG Mailing List Subject: [Scottish] When and where are the meetings? Im a new subsciber to this List. IIRC usually the last Thursday of the month But they are announced in advance cds
