Re: [Sdcc-user] Poor documentation & open source generally

2008-08-30 Thread Bobby Garner
Of course no one here has suggested that Openoffice.org is "tainted". My point was that its success does not inure to the credit of opensource, because it was developed at Sun Microsystems as Star Office. I use the software myself and prefer it, but I also have MS Office 2003 because people som

Re: [Sdcc-user] Poor documentation & open source generally

2008-08-30 Thread Richard Gray
It seems to me that just because Sun (IBM, Novell) etc pay people to develop and maintain OpenOffice.org (not to be confused with Sun's Star Office) makes it somehow tainted. It's still Open Source, you can still compile it yourself if you want to, alter it, etc, etc. Is Ubuntu similarly tainte

Re: [Sdcc-user] Poor documentation & open source generally

2008-08-29 Thread Kustaa Nyholm
>>Openoffice.org is >>> far more better documented. From those comments, and in the context in >>> which they were made, it is easily assumed that the Opensource community >>> takes full credit for that marvelous achievement. >>> >>> However, leave it to some nutcase like me to point out, in thi

Re: [Sdcc-user] Poor documentation & open source generally

2008-08-29 Thread Art Clarke
Bobby Garner wrote: > > Someone mentioned Code::Blocks earlier. I tried to use it a couple of > years ago, but when I joined the forum and began asking questions about > using it with SDCC, I was ridiculed, marginalized and laughed out of the > process by some of the major players in the progra

Re: [Sdcc-user] Poor documentation & open source generally

2008-08-29 Thread Richard Erlacher
August 29, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Sdcc-user] Poor documentation & open source generally Richard (Gray), I have no doubt that you mean well, but there is a certain and unmistakable tone of arrogance in your closing remarks, which in my opinion, negates everything which preceded them. You al

Re: [Sdcc-user] Poor documentation & open source generally

2008-08-29 Thread Bobby Garner
Richard (Gray), I have no doubt that you mean well, but there is a certain and unmistakable tone of arrogance in your closing remarks, which in my opinion, negates everything which preceded them. You allege that I am a developer by vertue of the fact that I am a user. if so, then why can not

Re: [Sdcc-user] Poor documentation & open source generally

2008-08-28 Thread Borut Razem
Just in front: I'm not a Windows lover, I just use it for my daily work. I'm developing on (and for) both Windows and Linux. My goal is not to enforce anybody (even myself) to use one or the other OS. My goal is to have a possibility use the same tools on any OS, so that it doesn't matter which

Re: [Sdcc-user] Poor documentation & open source generally

2008-08-28 Thread Dave McGuire
On Aug 28, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Erlacher wrote: > BTW, I'm not a Windows lover. I use it because it's just about > impossible > to buy a computer without it, Good heavens. If you choose to buy your computers at Wal*Mart, you'll get the Wal*Mart of operating systems...Windows.

Re: [Sdcc-user] Poor documentation & open source generally

2008-08-28 Thread Richard Gray
Hi, er, Richard - apparently we have an uncommon name, so it's doubly weird to be writing to my namesake! I completely agree that the methodology (such as it is) used in Open Source projects leaves a lot to be desired; but it seems to me that despite many imperfections the Open Source movement

Re: [Sdcc-user] Poor documentation & open source generally

2008-08-28 Thread Richard Erlacher
for compatibility with the rest of the world, and yes I know about the open-source tools that are "equivalent," all bets are off. I guess what I'm doing is complaining ... but I'm complaining that that's all I can do. regards, Richard Erlacher - Original Message -

[Sdcc-user] Poor documentation & open source generally

2008-08-28 Thread Richard Gray
While I'm sympathetic to the cries of inadequate (or sometimes just plain wrong) documentation, I think this needs to be met with more understanding. The Open Source development community is comprised of some rather clever people that are prepared to sit and write useful software in their spare