Re: [SMW-devel] SMW and LTS

2013-02-25 Thread Stephan Gambke
Ok, digging this out again. On 5 December 2012 22:39, James HK jamesin.hongkon...@gmail.com wrote: # What would LTS mean in connection with SMW ? Provide LTS versions of the Semantic Bundle. This would mean: * to branch off versions* of SMW * to include updated versions of extensions in the

Re: [SMW-devel] SMW and LTS

2013-02-25 Thread Neill Mitchell
This all sounds very sensible Stephan. Gives stability to those who need it and flexibility to those who want to run more bleeding edge versions. Cheers Neill Stephan Gambke s7ep...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, digging this out again. On 5 December 2012 22:39, James HK jamesin.hongkon...@gmail.com

Re: [SMW-devel] SMW and LTS

2013-02-25 Thread Yaron Koren
Hi Stephan, There are a number of points to discuss here. In our case, I think long-term support really refers to two things: support for older versions of MediaWiki, and support for older versions of SMW. I don't know if everyone's aware of it, but the WMF people have actually declared MediaWiki

Re: [SMW-devel] SMW and LTS

2013-02-25 Thread Stephan Gambke
Hi Yaron, On 02/25/2013 07:24 PM, Yaron Koren wrote: As to creating new Semantic Bundles on the fly that match some criteria - i.e., using some set of Git tags - that gets complicated by the fact that not all of the extensions have consistent tagging. Some (like, I'm Yeah, that was one of the

Re: [SMW-devel] Semantic Bundle and MW tarball

2013-02-25 Thread Yaron Koren
Hi Mark, It sounds like a good idea to me. What version of MediaWiki would you want to start with - 1.20 (the current version), I assume? And where do you think it makes sense to host and document these packages? -Yaron On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Mark A. Hershberger

Re: [SMW-devel] SMW and LTS

2013-02-25 Thread Yaron Koren
Hi Stephan, Yes, I know that the the transfer to Git threw off a lot in terms of consistent tagging - that's the main part of the reason why there have been only two Semantic Bundle releases since the changeover happened a year ago. In any case, anything you can do to improve the state of

Re: [SMW-devel] Semantic Bundle and MW tarball

2013-02-25 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On Mon 25 Feb 2013 02:12:41 PM EST, Yaron Koren wrote: It sounds like a good idea to me. What version of MediaWiki would you want to start with - 1.20 (the current version), I assume? At the latest, we could do 1.21. Earliest I would go is 1.19. But 1.20 is a good place to start. Since the

Re: [SMW-devel] Semantic Bundle and MW tarball

2013-02-25 Thread jmcclure
Hi - where can I find more information about how the MW installer and the extensions it installs? And I'm also wondering what the criteria are for an extension to be part of the SMW bundle? thanks - john On 25.02.2013 12:01, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: On Mon 25 Feb 2013 02:12:41 PM EST,

Re: [SMW-devel] Semantic Bundle and MW tarball

2013-02-25 Thread Yaron Koren
Hi, Mark - that sounds like a good idea. We're actually going to have another release of Semantic Bundle in the near future, that should fix some remaining issues; so I think it would be a good candidate for trying to create this kind of package. John - the criteria for inclusion in the Semantic

Re: [SMW-devel] SMW and LTS

2013-02-25 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, (because they had an extension accessing the DB directly). Ignoring abstractions like this and making oneself dependent on private internals of a system leads to fragility and rigidity. This is not good. I strongly oppose doing effort to not break compatibility with such code as a general

Re: [SMW-devel] SMW and LTS

2013-02-25 Thread Stephan Gambke
On 02/25/2013 10:27 PM, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: (because they had an extension accessing the DB directly). Ignoring abstractions like this and making oneself dependent on private internals of a system leads to fragility and rigidity. This is not good. I strongly oppose doing effort to not

Re: [SMW-devel] SMW and LTS

2013-02-25 Thread James HK
Hi, SMW 1.9 (15/03/2013) - MW 1.19 (09/02/2012): 1.1 years On a site note, in two or three occasions when I was adding something to SMW 1.9 I had to back down because suddenly the approach preferred didn't work in MW 1.19 (I think it is one hook, two methods when testing against MW 1.19)

Re: [SMW-devel] SMW and LTS

2013-02-25 Thread James HK
Hi, Just to clarify: are you saying that the need to support older versions of MediaWiki, and specifically 1.19, makes certain features in SMW impossible? I'm not saying it is impossible but as soon as you start using if statements to accommodate releases you introduce dependencies which will

[SMW-devel] Special Properties- exciting question

2013-02-25 Thread Lists
Hello folks, I have another exciting question Programatically set special properties/meta properties are always overwritten with a hard coded value or deleted by triggering SMW_refreshData.php. There is a constant realtionship between semantic properties and Wiki-text anotations. So only

[SMW-devel] Create semantic property as simple long text

2013-02-25 Thread s9gf4ult
Hello, I am trying to create semantic property just like that. [[Teaser::some long text . ]] But when I am doing the ask query like that {{#ask: [[Teaser::+]] | ?Teaser }} the result is empty, until I reduce the length of [[Teaser::]] content. And when I reduce the length of the teaser

Re: [SMW-devel] Create semantic property as simple long text

2013-02-25 Thread Yury Katkov
First of all ensure that the page Property:Teaser exists and contains the following text: [[has type::text]] Then ensure that you have the latest version of SMW: only the latest version can search on Text properties. - Yury Katkov, WikiVote On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:55 AM, s9gf4ult