Re: Road Forward

2008-04-17 Thread Hontvari Jozsef
Robert Burrell Donkin írta: 1. i know that quite a lot of the IMAP/mailbox stuff is junk (both mine code and the old stuff). IMAP/mailbox is most of trunk. so yes, a substantial quantity of code in trunk is junk. a more important issue is that it's difficult to gain consensus on the production

Re: Road Forward

2008-04-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Hontvari Jozsef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin írta: 1. i know that quite a lot of the IMAP/mailbox stuff is junk (both mine code and the old stuff). IMAP/mailbox is most of trunk. so yes, a substantial quantity of code in trunk is junk.

RE: Road Forward

2008-04-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Hontvari Jozsef wrote: The trunk receives all changes. It must always be in a useable state. Trying convincing people of that. :-) Robert, for example, explicitly considers that to be the wrong approach, and indicates that he considers a substantial amount of trunk to be junk. His thought is

Re: Road Forward

2008-04-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Hontvari Jozsef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the low frequency of releases and the small number of new features, there are plenty of new features on trunk - robert - To unsubscribe,

Re: Road Forward

2008-04-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hontvari Jozsef wrote: The trunk receives all changes. It must always be in a useable state. Trying convincing people of that. :-) Robert, for example, explicitly considers that to be the wrong approach, and

Re: Road Forward

2008-04-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Hontvari Jozsef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Moreover James is a mature product, nobody is forced to upgrade. I am using the same custom version for about 3 years if not more. If there are enough features or a few months elapsed, release a beta version

Re: Road Forward

2008-04-16 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Noel J. Bergman ha scritto: Hontvari Jozsef wrote: The trunk receives all changes. It must always be in a useable state. Trying convincing people of that. :-) Robert, for example, explicitly considers that to be the wrong approach, and indicates that he considers a substantial amount of

Re: Road Forward

2008-04-16 Thread Stefano Bagnara
Stefano Bagnara ha scritto: Noel J. Bergman ha scritto: Hontvari Jozsef wrote: The trunk receives all changes. It must always be in a useable state. Trying convincing people of that. :-) Robert, for example, explicitly considers that to be the wrong approach, and indicates that he

Re: Road Forward

2008-04-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noel J. Bergman ha scritto: Hontvari Jozsef wrote: The trunk receives all changes. It must always be in a useable state. Trying convincing people of that. :-) Robert, for example, explicitly considers

Re: Road Forward

2008-04-16 Thread Norman Maurer
Am Mittwoch, den 16.04.2008, 14:40 +0100 schrieb Robert Burrell Donkin: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Stefano Bagnara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noel J. Bergman ha scritto: Hontvari Jozsef wrote: The trunk receives all changes. It must always be in a useable state.

Re: Road Forward

2008-04-16 Thread Danny Angus
Glad you guys seem to have had some productive chat @apachecon. Sorry I had to miss it this year, its the easter holidays and I went to Aviemore with the family. Loads of snow on the ski slopes, which is unusual for the time of year. http://www.cairngormmountain.org.uk/web-cam However to get to

Re: Road Forward

2008-04-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you guys seem to have had some productive chat @apachecon. Sorry I had to miss it this year, its the easter holidays and I went to Aviemore with the family. Loads of snow on the ski slopes, which is unusual for the

Re: Road Forward

2008-04-16 Thread Danny Angus
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the major issue is that we don't collectively understand the quality of the code in trunk nor how it differs from 2.4.x +1 I think, and hope, that that is what Noel, in his inimitable style, is pushing us

Re: Road Forward

2008-04-15 Thread Hontvari Jozsef
Considering the low frequency of releases and the small number of new features, the version management structure of James seems to be an overkill. (Or maybe I just don't understand the system.) Although I don't think this is new for anybody here is the simplest procedure: The trunk receives