Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTTPS has many problems. None of the basic XO protocols use HTTPS. Will we never care for end-user privacy? We do. We just don't use HTTPS. You should know better. - At the protocol layer you mask a whole

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:48 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTTPS has many problems. None of the basic XO protocols use HTTPS. Will we never care for end-user privacy? We do. We just don't use HTTPS.

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Network principles is a nice statement of desired ideal network topology. Which we may implement one day - but I am delivering a network topology and the _main source of XO services_ on a very tight timeframe and with

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Network_principles#Disconnected_operation is a principled means to substitute unavailable resources in the offline case. The solution you suggest has problems, and I mentioned them in my

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 07:53:19PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Network_principles#Disconnected_operation is a principled means to substitute unavailable resources in the offline case.

[Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
Discussing the activity installer/updater control panel and olpc-update (a few days before) one design assumption from the XO team was very strong: that network clients on the XO could just ignore the XS and attempt direct connections to the desired host and service. If the XS is there, the logic

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-25 Thread david
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: - Do HTTP clients using a proxy do not perform DNS lookups? My understanding is that they do not, but I am not 100% certain of whether this is specified, and how actual clients behave. many clients do still do the DNS lookups. it's possible to

Re: [Server-devel] Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-25 Thread david
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: - Do HTTP clients using a proxy do not perform DNS lookups? My understanding is that they do not, but I am not 100% certain of whether this is