Re: [Server-devel] [sugar] sugar roadmap

2008-04-21 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi,

On Wednesday 16 April 2008 16:47, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
 Ion has the ability to launch different types of workspaces. There are
 three by default (although we could add to that). One of these is a
 floating workspace. It's rather bad, but it works, and I think it would
 be pretty cool to have as an option.

Ion also has an quite difficult upstream author.

I'd suggest you look into awesome, see http://awesome.naquadah.org/

awesome is developed in a nice, friendly  open team, the sources are kept in 
git, patches are welcomed, the licence and the configuration file syntax is 
sane and easy (and not lua, as powerful as it is) and much more. 

http://lists.naquadah.org/awesome_naquadah.org/msg01520.html describes the 
roadmap to version 3, which will use XCB, which might also be interesting...

Summary: have a look at it, it's awesome ;-)


regards,
Holger

(the F1-F4 switching is possible with awesome as with ion.)


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Re: [Server-devel] [sugar] sugar roadmap

2008-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/4/22 Holger Levsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Ion also has an quite difficult upstream author.

  I'd suggest you look into awesome, see http://awesome.naquadah.org/

Looks nice. Trade difficult author for bad-choice-of-name? ;-)

cheers,



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Re: [Server-devel] The road towards xs-0.3

2008-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Martin Langhoff
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  I am just settling down in my temporary office in Buenos Aires.

And right now I am back in my actual office in Wellington, NZ. ;-)

Work in BA was interrupted by a visit to Montevideo and Lima to meet
the local teams looking after deployments. Working with them I have
learned a lot more about the details of daily life of a large scale
deployment, specially with the Uruguay team.

Nothing of what I learned there was completely unexpected though. I
has shaped my plans with a lot more detail, and confirmed that the
core /hard/ problems are roughly where I had mapped them.

   It is just a matter of addressing them.

So with all these tours, my planned xs-0.3 is a bit delayed. Being in
NZ, and with a proper private office, it won't take long.

There was actually a lot more yak-shaving required for me to be able
to generate proper bootlable/installable builds from my laptop setup
than I had expected. Most of the remaining time in BA was consumed on
that, unfortunately :-/

  *Now* is the time to file those unfiled bugs, vote for the unvoted
  bugs; show your love for XS and show your patch ;-)

The call above is still relevant. Any takers?

cheers,




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[Server-devel] Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Stone
Martin,

Based on feedback from Peru, Mexico, and Nepal, the restoration from
disaster-recovery backups XO/XS coordination feature has been steadily
rising in priority. I also notice that Backups is your first line-item
on the XS-0.3 roadmap.

My large question is: what changes need to be made to the XO's OS,
(currently to candidate-703) in order to make progress in this feature
cluster?

Relevant tickets


#24   ROTcscott  (Backup of laptops - short-term solution)
#2516 STKtomeu   (Automatic backup of laptops to XS)
#3334 DSNjg  (Exactly what should be backed up?)
#4569 DSNjg  (Controlling disk usage of backups)
#4224 DSNkrstic  (Manage SN - identity mapping on XS)

#4270 PKGwad (Full restore from school server)
#4380 TSTtomeu   (Restore individual entry from school server)
#4275 DSNtomeu   (Keep UI)
#4587 ESCtomeu   (Mass-export Journal to USB key)

#6374 PKGmartin  (Package the xo-backup tools for the school server)
#4100 STKkrstic  (XS should provide human readable index of journal 
backup)

Sub-questions:

 * What backup scheme do we actually intend to deploy? (Current choices appear
   to be Wad's dumb-rsync method [1] and Ivan's method [2]. 

 [1]: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/server-devel/2008-February/000314.html  
(outdated)
 [2]: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_backup_restore

 * Does the chosen scheme permit us to sanely combine old backups with
   an XO build that makes breaking changes to file layouts?

Regards,

Michael


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 TST - needs to be tested in a build
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 PKG - pkg needs to be built
 DBG - debugging/diagnosis still needed
 DSN - design needed
 STK - stuck; a decision is needed about how to proceed
 SGN - a signoff is needed
 ESC - canceled or siginificantly reduced in priority
 FIN - successfully finished
 MSG - communication needed
 ROT - solution has bitrotted
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