Re: [Server-devel] Warning: breakage updating xs-config

2008-08-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Martin Langhoff
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 Done a clean XS install off 165, and about to update it. But I
 reviewed /etc and /var/named (which I know breaks) and I already have
 a diagnosis.

And an initial series of patches

 - now the domain_config scripts do something more sensible and more resilient
 - we now divert config files for named, dhcpd, squid
 - we use templates - at least for files edited by domain_config scripts

the bad news is - the upgrade path is horrendous. First I have to
manage to get the files there. Look at the topmost patch in the
xs-config repo right now. It is nothing I am proud of, but should
work. Without it, all our files get diverted to .rpmnew

This is not my kind of fun :-/

cheers,



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Re: [Server-devel] Reschedule XS meeting for Friday Aug 15 - or 10 PM Aug 14 EST ---- was (Re: not up for Friday meeting about the XS)

2008-08-14 Thread Bryan Berry
great see you guys tomorrow!
On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 18:30 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote:
 So, we are all set. In about 18hs we'll be having another meeting. The
 wikipage with the info is here:
 
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Conf_08_AUG_07_Meeting
 
 I've put there a draft agenda from Bryan (feel free to add/correct!) and 
 myself.
 
 cheers,
 
 
 
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Re: [Server-devel] Testing EduBlog

2008-08-14 Thread Pablo Flores
Yes! It works now with the right link! (I had used the link of
EduBlog_Instructions).
I could post well from th XO this way. 2 comments:
- The cursor does not appear in the text area when writing the body.
- It's not possible to handle the size of the image... However, this could
wait for version 2 ;-)

Now, let's talk about the user management.
With my new user pflores I could login, then it asked me if I am sure to
enroll to the course, y clicked Yes and it appears a banner: Sorry, but you
do not currently have permissions to do that (Manage activities). I posted
a screenshot of this in my new blog (blog creado desde
XOhttp://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/view.php?id=15).
When I hit Continue it takes me back to the home page.

The other question is: How will children create their own account if it
needs an administrator approval? It might become a bit impractical... Maybe
it's better not needing the approval, and if there is some trouble, the
admin can delete unwanted users, what you think?

Now I'm gonna create a blog and give a teacher the instructions to work it
in the class...

Saludos,
Pablo Flores


On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Tarun Pondicherry 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Pablo,

 I realized that the links on the homepage were pointing to the old pages.
  I updates the links at wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog.  Please let me know if
 that resolves the first issue you mentioned.

 Thanks,
 Tarun

 Pablo Flores wrote:

 Hi Tarun.

 I'm afraid some things in EduBlog are not working as they should when
 working in an XO.

 I downloaded the last BrowseNew, which has the new homepage, that is ok.
 When I go to the Create new blog link (
 http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublogtype=course=3section=0return=0
 http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublogtype=course=3section=0return=0),
 it takes me to the moodle login in spanish, so far so good.

 Then if I try to login with the user teacher, it takes me to an error
 message that says: This course doesn't exist, and a Continue button.
 When I press it, it goes back to the home page. The same happens if I login
 with the user teacheres. If then I go again to the Create new blog link, I
 can see the courses page, but it's not possible to create a new course,
 there is no link or option for this.

 Another problem I found trying to create a new user: I could fill in the
 registration form, but it never sends me the confirmation email, so I can't
 finish the process.

 Other strange behaviour in the XO, is that the logout option never
 appears in the top-right of the page.

 I'll try to go on testing, but so far the administration is not working
 from the XO...

 Saludos,
 Pablo Flores


 On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Tarun Pondicherry 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Pablo,

The version downloadable from:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog_Instructions under the heading
For Those with Build 656 has the new homepage.  Please let me
know if it works.

About, the lang settings, when you go to any of the pages it
should be spanish (assuming your xo is using the spanish
localization).  If that does not work, then I will force the
setting to spanish and not try to detect the localization.

About multiple users, I was thinking that in a real school each
teachers and students have their own account.  Then, they can do
concurrent things without issues.  My concern is that for the test
it looks like we are going to use the same user account for
everyone which can cause problems.  If we can create separate user
accounts for all the teachers and students testing, that would be
ideal.

Thanks for taking the time to test this stuff out.

Tarun

Hi Tarun!
Thanks for the great work you are doing!

See comments below.

Saludos,
Pablo Flores


On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Tarun Pondicherry
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mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Hi Pablo,

   I tried to address most of these concerns in the updated
version.
Please let me know if I got the attempted fixes right.


I'll try to take some time this afternoon to test the system.
 What I found with the previous version is that BrowseNew
didn't change its homepage. I talked with Greg that it would
be very simplifying for teachers and children to make
BrowseNew go straight to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog, a
page I will get some time to finish with the instructions to
start to work. Would it be possible to change this?



   I'm also thinking about how to configure the language.
 Currently,
   it detects if the Browser is es or en and bases its setting on
   that.  We could 

Re: [Server-devel] Testing EduBlog

2008-08-14 Thread Tony Pearson
Tarun,
you bring up a good point.  What do we need to do to activate an email 
service on the XS server to allow this for moodle registrations?




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Tarun Pondicherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
08/14/2008 09:20 AM

To
Pablo Flores [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Pearson/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
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Subject
Re: Testing EduBlog






Hi Pablo,
 Yes! It works now with the right link! (I had used the link of 
 EduBlog_Instructions).
Great!

Did you have a chance to look at the modified blog creation interface? 
I moved the settings into that page so teachers can directly link their 
own Blogger.com blogs rather than having an admin configuring the blogs 
for them.  I think this is easier to use.  However, we can revert to the 
other version if you disagree.
 I could post well from th XO this way. 2 comments:
 - The cursor does not appear in the text area when writing the body.
 - It's not possible to handle the size of the image... However, this 
 could wait for version 2 ;-)
Looking into it.
 Now, let's talk about the user management.
 With my new user pflores I could login, then it asked me if I am sure 
 to enroll to the course, y clicked Yes and it appears a banner: 
 Sorry, but you do not currently have permissions to do that (Manage 
 activities). I posted a screenshot of this in my new blog (blog 
 creado desde XO 
 
http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/view.php?id=15
). 
 When I hit Continue it takes me back to the home page.
Were you trying to post to a blog or create a new blog?  When you enrol 
you are by default a student so you can post to blogs and view them but 
not make new ones.  I tested creating a new account and these links 
work.  To create a new blog, an admin needs to set your account to a 
teacher level.

How do you envision the ideal process for user registration for our 
test?  (I think when fully completed and installed on the XS, Moodle 
will authenticate based on the MAC address of the XO)
 The other question is: How will children create their own account if 
 it needs an administrator approval? It might become a bit 
 impractical... Maybe it's better not needing the approval, and if 
 there is some trouble, the admin can delete unwanted users, what you 
 think?
Moodle gives us several authentication options.  I will try to implement 
what you are suggesting as an auth module.  Students can just register 
without any confirmation.  Also, email based registration won't work 
because as far as I know, the XS does not have an email service.

Thanks,
Tarun
 On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Tarun Pondicherry 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Pablo,

 I realized that the links on the homepage were pointing to the old
 pages.  I updates the links at wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog.  Please let me know if that
 resolves the first issue you mentioned.


 Thanks,
 Tarun

 Pablo Flores wrote:

 Hi Tarun.

 I'm afraid some things in EduBlog are not working as they
 should when working in an XO.

 I downloaded the last BrowseNew, which has the new homepage,
 that is ok. When I go to the Create new blog link
 (
http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublogtype=course=3section=0return=0

 
http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublogtype=course=3section=0return=0

 
http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublogtype=course=3section=0return=0

 
http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublogtype=course=3section=0return=0
),
 it takes me to the moodle login in spanish, so far so good.


 Then if I try to login with the user teacher, it takes me to
 an error message that says: This course doesn't exist, and a
 Continue button. When I press it, it goes back to the home
 page. The same happens if I login with the user teacheres. If
 then I go again to the Create new blog link, I can see the
 courses page, but it's not possible to create a new course,
 there is no link or option for this.

 Another problem I found trying to create a new user: I could
 fill in the registration form, but it never sends me the
 confirmation email, so I can't finish the process.

 Other strange behaviour in the XO, is that the logout option
 never appears in the 

Re: [Server-devel] Testing EduBlog

2008-08-14 Thread Tarun Pondicherry
Hi Tony,

I think for now we will avoid sending mail from the server.  I hacked 
the auth module to bypass the email validation.

Thanks,
Tarun

 Tarun,
 you bring up a good point.  What do we need to do to activate an email 
 service on the XS server to allow this for moodle registrations?

   
   *Tony Pearson*
 Senior Storage Consultant, IBM System Storageā„¢
 Telephone: +1 520-799-4309 |  tie 321-4309 |  Cell: +1 520 990-8669
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |  GSA: http://tucgsa.ibm.com/~tpearson
 Blog: _http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/InsideSystemStorage_
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 *Tarun Pondicherry [EMAIL PROTECTED]*

 08/14/2008 09:20 AM

   
 To
   Pablo Flores [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 cc
   Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Pearson/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], marcel r [EMAIL PROTECTED], Said Ramirez 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
 server-devel@lists.laptop.org
 Subject
   Re: Testing EduBlog



   





 Hi Pablo,
  Yes! It works now with the right link! (I had used the link of
  EduBlog_Instructions).
 Great!

 Did you have a chance to look at the modified blog creation interface?  
 I moved the settings into that page so teachers can directly link their
 own Blogger.com blogs rather than having an admin configuring the blogs
 for them.  I think this is easier to use.  However, we can revert to the
 other version if you disagree.
  I could post well from th XO this way. 2 comments:
  - The cursor does not appear in the text area when writing the body.
  - It's not possible to handle the size of the image... However, this
  could wait for version 2 ;-)
 Looking into it.
  Now, let's talk about the user management.
  With my new user pflores I could login, then it asked me if I am sure
  to enroll to the course, y clicked Yes and it appears a banner:
  Sorry, but you do not currently have permissions to do that (Manage
  activities). I posted a screenshot of this in my new blog (blog
  creado desde XO
  
 http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/view.php?id=15). 

  When I hit Continue it takes me back to the home page.
 Were you trying to post to a blog or create a new blog?  When you enrol
 you are by default a student so you can post to blogs and view them but
 not make new ones.  I tested creating a new account and these links
 work.  To create a new blog, an admin needs to set your account to a
 teacher level.

 How do you envision the ideal process for user registration for our
 test?  (I think when fully completed and installed on the XS, Moodle
 will authenticate based on the MAC address of the XO)
  The other question is: How will children create their own account if
  it needs an administrator approval? It might become a bit
  impractical... Maybe it's better not needing the approval, and if
  there is some trouble, the admin can delete unwanted users, what you
  think?
 Moodle gives us several authentication options.  I will try to implement
 what you are suggesting as an auth module.  Students can just register
 without any confirmation.  Also, email based registration won't work
 because as far as I know, the XS does not have an email service.

 Thanks,
 Tarun
  On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Tarun Pondicherry
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Pablo,
 
  I realized that the links on the homepage were pointing to the old
  pages.  I updates the links at wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog.  Please let me know if that
  resolves the first issue you mentioned.
 
 
  Thanks,
  Tarun
 
  Pablo Flores wrote:
 
  Hi Tarun.
 
  I'm afraid some things in EduBlog are not working as they
  should when working in an XO.
 
  I downloaded the last BrowseNew, which has the new homepage,
  that is ok. When I go to the Create new blog link
  
 (http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublogtype=course=3section=0return=0
  
 http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublogtype=course=3section=0return=0
  
 http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublogtype=course=3section=0return=0
  
 http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublogtype=course=3section=0return=0),
  it takes me to the moodle login in spanish, so far so good.
 
 
  Then if I try to login with the user teacher, it takes me to
  an error message that says: This course doesn't exist, and a
  Continue button. When I press it, it goes back to the home
  page. The same happens if I login with the user teacheres. If
  then I go again to the Create new blog link, I can see the
  courses page, but it's not possible to create a new course,
  there is no link or option for this.