Re: [Server-devel] XS procurement recommendations (new hardware - Nosy Komba, Madagascar)

2012-04-17 Thread Mitchell Seaton
I might sum up here from recent additions (replies) on this mailing list
regarding current low-power server options (x86/32bit) for XS:

1) FitPC2i - Dual Ethernet, fanless, poss heat-issue (heat sink),
 PhoenixBIOS (no Wake-on-LAN), 12W draw (poss ~5W idle)
http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/

2) SolidLogic - (VIA C7, 25W draw) current sys in use not available for
purchase, EU options in links below
http://www.logicsupply.eu/systems/intel-atom/
http://www.logicsupply.eu/systems/fanless/
deployment sites: Jamaica

3) MSi WindBox - '10 Atom D510, 4GB DDR2 - ~35W, drawback single Ethernet
NIC (USB WiFi adapter)
http://fr.msi.com/models/Wind%20Box%20DC500
deployment sites: Nepal, Haiti, Philippines

4) EPC-AT270 - Dual Ethernet (Wake on LAN), fanless, drawback '08 model
Atom N270 (2GB DDR2) -
http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/EPC-AT270.cfm
deployment sites: PNG, Oceania?

These solutions generally haven't changed in the last two years, in Q2,
2012 now these are the current stable options for low-power x86?

If that's the reality, I assume we can make a decision around these
options, taking site specific considerations into account, and plan for
possible involvement (replacement) down the line (1-2+ years) with any
future server development for ARM/plug/etc and what suitable working model
is devised around it.

Regards,
Mitch

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:07 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like the Fitpc2i, which has two ethernet ports.  I recently purchased
 one and would be happy to do whatever testing makes sense. (haven't yet
 purchased the sata drive though). I can atest to the 5 watts, idle.  The
 blurb that came with it says it's capable of 2 watts standby, but we'd need
 to see if it can do wake on lan.

 George


 On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Mitchell Seaton msea...@ekindling.org
 wrote:
  Dear all XS Server devel's,
 
  The OLPC France team is looking to provide a new XS server machine for
 their
  deployment in Nosy Komba. The current XS is not functional due to a
 current
  failed disk (cause to be discovered). Myself, and Adam Holt are planning
  work with Xavier (OLPC France), to help support the installation and
 final
  configuration of this new machine during June this year. We thought it's
  important to consult the community here ahead of this purchase decision.
 
  Firstly, we'd like to seek some clear hardware suggestion(s) for a
 potential
  new XS. Solar/batteries are current powering method at the deployment
  site. XO volume to be currently supported is 160, and should allow room
 for
  additional deployments. I believe, the investment should be positioned
 for
  min. 5yrs lifespan, and to cope in local heat, humidity, salt, dust,
  conditions.
 
  We're aware of some hardware that has been working in the field - I've
  particular noted MSi (WindBox) machine has been working successfully in
  Nepal, Haiti and Philippines (George's donation). This is also a
 follow-up,
  in some ways, on George's previous thread although more for deployment
 than
  testing/dev. We're not looking at any XO-1.5/XO-1.75 for form-factor,
 or ARM
  as a platform (know this will come and be more stable in future
 releases to
  come). Low-power is a priority, this will help conserve more power
 supply
  for XO charging. I assume we are still looking at 32-bit x86 arch and
  potentially preferring Atom processors (unless otherwise advised). Any
  current models in the marketplace for recommendation?
 
  Purchase of requirement machine looks to be possible from France/EU for
  deliver to Madagascar by the deployment/volunteer team (end of May).
  It's crucial to identify the hardware choice relatively soon (during
 next
  month period). The machine will likely be pre-configured by Xavier
 prior to
  deliver.
 
  Look forward to your comments here.
 
  --
  Mitchell Seaton
  eKindling Technology Support
  msea...@ekindling.org
  www.ekindling.org
 
 
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 We use a SolidLogic box (OLPCorps box) in Jamaica at both locations.
 Its no longer sold (not sure why?) but uses a VIA C7 processor and is
 fanless. Draws 25W at the AC end of the power brick (DC 19V). Here's a
 list of what they offer.
 http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/fanless_systems

 A FitPC2 should work as well. It pulls 15W at the AC end of the power
 brick (DC 12V). The only concern I had with a FitPC2 was the heat.
 They do sell an after market heat sink that helps. If you wall-mount
 the box, you could fashion a chimney on the heatsink to create a
 continuous draft of air (hot air rises and will create an air column
 that pulls in cool air from the outside) to pull the heat away from
 the sink.

 We tested a FitPC2 (See appendix

 

Re: [Server-devel] XS procurement recommendations (new hardware - Nosy Komba, Madagascar)

2012-04-17 Thread Kévin Raymond
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Mitchell Seaton msea...@ekindling.org wrote:
 I might sum up here from recent additions (replies) on this mailing list
 regarding current low-power server options (x86/32bit) for XS:

 1) FitPC2i - Dual Ethernet, fanless, poss heat-issue (heat sink),
  PhoenixBIOS (no Wake-on-LAN), 12W draw (poss ~5W idle)
 http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/

 2) SolidLogic - (VIA C7, 25W draw) current sys in use not available for
 purchase, EU options in links below
 http://www.logicsupply.eu/systems/intel-atom/
 http://www.logicsupply.eu/systems/fanless/
 deployment sites: Jamaica

 3) MSi WindBox - '10 Atom D510, 4GB DDR2 - ~35W, drawback single Ethernet
 NIC (USB WiFi adapter)
 http://fr.msi.com/models/Wind%20Box%20DC500
 deployment sites: Nepal, Haiti, Philippines

 4) EPC-AT270 - Dual Ethernet (Wake on LAN), fanless, drawback '08 model Atom
 N270 (2GB DDR2) -
 http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/EPC-AT270.cfm
 deployment sites: PNG, Oceania?

 These solutions generally haven't changed in the last two years, in Q2, 2012
 now these are the current stable options for low-power x86?

 If that's the reality, I assume we can make a decision around these options,
 taking site specific considerations into account, and plan for possible
 involvement (replacement) down the line (1-2+ years) with any future server
 development for ARM/plug/etc and what suitable working model
 is devised around it.

 Regards,
 Mitch


Hi there,

I am new in this list but involved in OLPC-France.
Could someone point me to the XS ARM port status?
I don't know yet what software the XS is composed of, but since I have
the Alex's dreamplug here in Paris I could try to move things forward.
(Won't probably make it before May but costs nothing to read about it).

I also have a FitPC(2?), but the power supply is lost somewhere in my bedroom…
Yeah, it is way too hot IMHO

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(shaiton)
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Re: [Server-devel] Looking for new low power server hardware candidate

2012-04-17 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On 17 April 2012 23:39, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for your notes.

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Sridhar Dhanapalan
 srid...@laptop.org.au wrote:
 But you have some economies of scale :-) do once per school vs do it
 on every machine in the school.

 The school XS can be shipped preconfigured, sidestepping the local
 configuration barrier.

 Thanks for those answers, they clarify a few things for me. I'm with
 you on the show an XS icon in the network neighbourhood part, but I
 don't see the configure XMPP server on _every_ XO as a good
 tradeoff, if I can prep an XS once (maybe in a central location).

 It's relatively easy to prep an XS + switch + APs + cat 5 cabling,
 label all the RJ-45 connectors, and ship it all in a big box. The
 hardest part is guessing the cat 5 lengths right ;-) -- much better to
 ship a crimping tool, cable, RJ-45s.

Our deployment methodology appears to be different from the others
I've seen in other countries. We are trying to scale *down*, not up. I
have a rule here that no technology is introduced unless it can be
deployed and managed by a non-technical person with minimal training.
Shipping pre-configured servers and other infrastructure builds a
dependency that will cause problems later down the track, and creates
a burden on us.

We generally do not have any support and only begrudging permission
from education departments. We are working around this by
building/configuring the technology so that the teachers and
communities can totally own the deployment for themselves.
Unfortunately the XS in its current state does not allow for this.

Sridhar
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