[Server-devel] DXS github repository
Hi George, Jerry, Tim, et. al. Please have a look at the DXS github repository. We have been able to use ansible playbooks to install a School Server. One can try setting it up using the instructions in the INSTALL.rst file. We also added Ajenti as an admin GUI, there are separate instructions for that. Also included is Munin (i think on an experimental basis). Some things which are present in the XSCE-0.4 are missing in our repo, like Pathagar, or IIAB, or CUPS. Mostly, we wanted to be much more public with the code, and the development process, as we move beyond the XSCE-0.4 release. Ideally, I want to merge a majority (if not all) of this code with the upstream, so we all have a common base. Within AC (Santi, Miguel, Ajay, Myself) we will participate more openly with the XSCE project going forward. Anna already does a lot of work within the XSCE community :-) https://github.com/activitycentral/dxs Best, Anish ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] DXS github repository
Thanks anish, This reduces my freakout level by an order of magnitude :) At time my mental model fails me. I think of DXS as downstream to XSCE. I think of AC as doing less frequent releases than XSCE with the goal of increased stability. This release was inverted as DXS led the painful shift to ansible. If you are into such things. The affect of a downstream getting ahead of an upstream is remarkably similar to 'interest rate inversions.' http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/06/invertedyieldcurve.asp . Normal planning starts to go out the window. :) I would like to encourage Tim, George, and Jerry to play with and explore and test the code at https://github.com/activitycentral/dxs . We have three general approaches for upstreaming thing code: 1. Do a complete rebase to the DXS code when the XSCE 0.5 window open. While riskiest it minimizes the amount of duplicated effort. 2. Create a stepwise plan. While possible, is quite hard due to circular dependencies. :( 3. Keep the code separate. A couple of considerations: 1. Is it worth learning Ansible? While pretty easy to learn, read, and code, Ansible is yet another language to learn. 2. How does this affect 0.5 planning? How will the XSCE community determine priorities and goals for the release. Have fun and thanks for everything :) On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: Hi George, Jerry, Tim, et. al. Please have a look at the DXS github repository. We have been able to use ansible playbooks to install a School Server. One can try setting it up using the instructions in the INSTALL.rst file. We also added Ajenti as an admin GUI, there are separate instructions for that. Also included is Munin (i think on an experimental basis). Some things which are present in the XSCE-0.4 are missing in our repo, like Pathagar, or IIAB, or CUPS. Mostly, we wanted to be much more public with the code, and the development process, as we move beyond the XSCE-0.4 release. Ideally, I want to merge a majority (if not all) of this code with the upstream, so we all have a common base. Within AC (Santi, Miguel, Ajay, Myself) we will participate more openly with the XSCE project going forward. Anna already does a lot of work within the XSCE community :-) https://github.com/activitycentral/dxs Best, Anish ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] XSCE devel scrum on #schoolserver
Okay, so based on the responses I've received so far, all weekdays, and 1600 UTC seems like the best time slot. So I'll propose we hold weekly XSCE meetings on Tuesdays, 1600 UTC / 0900 PDT / 1100 CDT / 1200 EDT If somebody has an issue with that time, please speak up :) Best, Anish On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.comwrote: Yes exactly. On Aug 31, 2013 7:22 PM, Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:56:29PM -0700, Anish Mangal wrote: +1 We could use the services of xsceBOT :-) (uhps... sent the previous email from the wrong from: address :/ - gmail compose sucks) I know some Fedora folks who used a meeting bot (based on supybot). You give a command like 'start meeting' and 'end meeting', it logs the meeting and sends it as an email or something and you can add bullet points. -k On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Anna [1]ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I know the policy for #schoolserver is that logs aren't kept, but in the interest of transparency, perhaps we could log official #schoolserver meetings. One of the nice things about meeting on IRC vs. Skype is that IRC meetings axiomatically have transcripts. Anna On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Anish Mangal [2] an...@activitycentral.com wrote: Hi, For some time now, people (including me) have been mulling the idea of having XSCE development meetings on IRC in complement to the weekly skype calls. Conversation on the #schoolserver channel has gradually been growing too. I would like to propose that we start holding weekly regular planning and scrum meetings to discuss plans and ideas around XSCE development. I don't have any structure in mind yet, so we can largely go off where the community wants it to. I don't what's the best time for anybody who might be interested, so I created this: [3]http://whenisgood.net/q72f3wf Thoughts? Best, Anish -- Anish | [4]an...@sugarlabs.org References Visible links 1. mailto:ascho...@gmail.com 2. mailto:an...@activitycentral.com 3. http://whenisgood.net/q72f3wf 4. mailto:an...@sugarlabs.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] XSCE devel scrum on #schoolserver
I'd much prefer Thursday on the same day as our voice meetings. Or was this separated by sev days for a reason? On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.comwrote: Okay, so based on the responses I've received so far, all weekdays, and 1600 UTC seems like the best time slot. So I'll propose we hold weekly XSCE meetings on Tuesdays, 1600 UTC / 0900 PDT / 1100 CDT / 1200 EDT If somebody has an issue with that time, please speak up :) Best, Anish On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.comwrote: Yes exactly. On Aug 31, 2013 7:22 PM, Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:56:29PM -0700, Anish Mangal wrote: +1 We could use the services of xsceBOT :-) (uhps... sent the previous email from the wrong from: address :/ - gmail compose sucks) I know some Fedora folks who used a meeting bot (based on supybot). You give a command like 'start meeting' and 'end meeting', it logs the meeting and sends it as an email or something and you can add bullet points. -k On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Anna [1]ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I know the policy for #schoolserver is that logs aren't kept, but in the interest of transparency, perhaps we could log official #schoolserver meetings. One of the nice things about meeting on IRC vs. Skype is that IRC meetings axiomatically have transcripts. Anna On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Anish Mangal [2] an...@activitycentral.com wrote: Hi, For some time now, people (including me) have been mulling the idea of having XSCE development meetings on IRC in complement to the weekly skype calls. Conversation on the #schoolserver channel has gradually been growing too. I would like to propose that we start holding weekly regular planning and scrum meetings to discuss plans and ideas around XSCE development. I don't have any structure in mind yet, so we can largely go off where the community wants it to. I don't what's the best time for anybody who might be interested, so I created this: [3]http://whenisgood.net/q72f3wf Thoughts? Best, Anish -- Anish | [4]an...@sugarlabs.org References Visible links 1. mailto:ascho...@gmail.com 2. mailto:an...@activitycentral.com 3. http://whenisgood.net/q72f3wf 4. mailto:an...@sugarlabs.org -- Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org ! ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] XSCE devel scrum on #schoolserver
I think Tuesday is good. It will help allow some buffer time between the two meetings. If it doesn't work out well, we'll shift to Thursday after a couple of weeks. Okay? Cheers, Anish On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Adam Holt h...@laptop.org wrote: I'd much prefer Thursday on the same day as our voice meetings. Or was this separated by sev days for a reason? On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.comwrote: Okay, so based on the responses I've received so far, all weekdays, and 1600 UTC seems like the best time slot. So I'll propose we hold weekly XSCE meetings on Tuesdays, 1600 UTC / 0900 PDT / 1100 CDT / 1200 EDT If somebody has an issue with that time, please speak up :) Best, Anish On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.comwrote: Yes exactly. On Aug 31, 2013 7:22 PM, Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:56:29PM -0700, Anish Mangal wrote: +1 We could use the services of xsceBOT :-) (uhps... sent the previous email from the wrong from: address :/ - gmail compose sucks) I know some Fedora folks who used a meeting bot (based on supybot). You give a command like 'start meeting' and 'end meeting', it logs the meeting and sends it as an email or something and you can add bullet points. -k On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Anna [1]ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I know the policy for #schoolserver is that logs aren't kept, but in the interest of transparency, perhaps we could log official #schoolserver meetings. One of the nice things about meeting on IRC vs. Skype is that IRC meetings axiomatically have transcripts. Anna On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Anish Mangal [2] an...@activitycentral.com wrote: Hi, For some time now, people (including me) have been mulling the idea of having XSCE development meetings on IRC in complement to the weekly skype calls. Conversation on the #schoolserver channel has gradually been growing too. I would like to propose that we start holding weekly regular planning and scrum meetings to discuss plans and ideas around XSCE development. I don't have any structure in mind yet, so we can largely go off where the community wants it to. I don't what's the best time for anybody who might be interested, so I created this: [3]http://whenisgood.net/q72f3wf Thoughts? Best, Anish -- Anish | [4]an...@sugarlabs.org References Visible links 1. mailto:ascho...@gmail.com 2. mailto:an...@activitycentral.com 3. http://whenisgood.net/q72f3wf 4. mailto:an...@sugarlabs.org -- Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org ! ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] XSCE devel scrum on #schoolserver
I agree with Anish, we need some buffer time between the two meetings. As much as I like all y'all, I'd prefer to not have to deal with two meetings in one day. Our Thursday Skype calls are useful, but IRC meetings are a totally different animal when it comes to this stuff. Specifically getting into the nitty gritty details. When we're speaking to each other by voice, I have to pay constant attention to what people are saying vocally and therefore can't go google something real quick or examine a config file. Maybe it's just me, but when it comes to paying attention to phone calls, I can't do much else at the same time and process everything the way I need to. There's a lot more latitude in IRC meetings because I can easily scan the scrollback if my attention was diverted for a couple of minutes while testing a change, looking at something, etc. To generalize very heavily: Skype is better for general things (and it's great to hear everyone's voices, of course), but IRC is better for work sessions. At least in my experience. Bottom line, I don't feel like I need to have an XSCE booted up during Skype calls. But I would during an IRC meeting. The meeting methods are two totally different frames of mind for me and I think they belong on different days. Anna On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.comwrote: I think Tuesday is good. It will help allow some buffer time between the two meetings. If it doesn't work out well, we'll shift to Thursday after a couple of weeks. Okay? Cheers, Anish On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Adam Holt h...@laptop.org wrote: I'd much prefer Thursday on the same day as our voice meetings. Or was this separated by sev days for a reason? On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.comwrote: Okay, so based on the responses I've received so far, all weekdays, and 1600 UTC seems like the best time slot. So I'll propose we hold weekly XSCE meetings on Tuesdays, 1600 UTC / 0900 PDT / 1100 CDT / 1200 EDT If somebody has an issue with that time, please speak up :) Best, Anish On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: Yes exactly. On Aug 31, 2013 7:22 PM, Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:56:29PM -0700, Anish Mangal wrote: +1 We could use the services of xsceBOT :-) (uhps... sent the previous email from the wrong from: address :/ - gmail compose sucks) I know some Fedora folks who used a meeting bot (based on supybot). You give a command like 'start meeting' and 'end meeting', it logs the meeting and sends it as an email or something and you can add bullet points. -k On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Anna [1]ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I know the policy for #schoolserver is that logs aren't kept, but in the interest of transparency, perhaps we could log official #schoolserver meetings. One of the nice things about meeting on IRC vs. Skype is that IRC meetings axiomatically have transcripts. Anna On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Anish Mangal [2] an...@activitycentral.com wrote: Hi, For some time now, people (including me) have been mulling the idea of having XSCE development meetings on IRC in complement to the weekly skype calls. Conversation on the #schoolserver channel has gradually been growing too. I would like to propose that we start holding weekly regular planning and scrum meetings to discuss plans and ideas around XSCE development. I don't have any structure in mind yet, so we can largely go off where the community wants it to. I don't what's the best time for anybody who might be interested, so I created this: [3]http://whenisgood.net/q72f3wf Thoughts? Best, Anish -- Anish | [4]an...@sugarlabs.org References Visible links 1. mailto:ascho...@gmail.com 2. mailto:an...@activitycentral.com 3. http://whenisgood.net/q72f3wf 4. mailto:an...@sugarlabs.org -- Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org ! ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
