Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: [IIAB] getting the archive
We don't currently have a download site. Would it make any sense to seed a torrent for the content? - -braddock -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTi52uAAoJEHWLR/DQzlZu1PQIAJmKu2Zj/Opg3NdavKlguoxN L4edFe434II3VaV+XuCngkvhdrZ/bTz7RtH5Z11JZ6/UygxhxcGurgUyr0/xdslr K26DpbqcymsiEVTZvbcx1aDlWXq46/bOabmVDwMkjFTTQWoeoIShgYDdanvA094v NIZIha9y4Xx72UN7eBVxhak4Q/ASKmC035n9kQEkE/janV5GndtX9oMpneAUFaCg zRA60UzxkQm1Y/voFk3I5p1tn33aSxrzspoLN3sVPnlmyYNB03GaZkjQ1ts/8zpC ZusvacsI8fY3oszQdK6Fzfay61OOLQv9jK0FlmlQDjeb0CHj6HZo4VrQMydpO1Y= =ICjq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] XSCE usage analysis: Malaysia Deployment
swap.state is used by squid to rebuild the cache on reboot. The machine should be setup to have that rotated like a log once a day. That will keep it under control. I think the squid directive is squid -k or something similar. Sorry I am not at my computer, can give a more complete answer later. -Jon On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:53 AM, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: Below is what we found on the XSCE on followup 7 weeks later in the wild. Hope that will help in future installations... -- Dear T. K., Here's a detailed explanation of what happened that day. We found that the /library/cache/swap.state is sized 47G, which occupies the whole partition of /. I know by default during the installation the fedora will part the whole harddisk into two parts, for root (/) 50G, and for /home the remaining. However, in XSCE's setting, the main content is put into /library which belongs to / partition. The reason why swap.state is so large is unknow. However, we removed the file and restart the squid service, it becomes normal now. To prevent future event from happening, we also _bind_ mount the /library/cache to home directory. Best regards, Weida -Original Message- From: Tim Moody [mailto:t...@timmoody.com] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 01:10 PM To: xsce-de...@googlegroups.com, tkk...@nurturingasia.com, Server-Devel@Lists. Org Subject: RE: [Server-devel] [XSCE] XSCE usage analysis: Malaysia Deployment what do things like df and mount show Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:41:32 +0545 From: mar...@gnu.org To: tkk...@nurturingasia.com; xsce-de...@googlegroups.com; server-devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] XSCE usage analysis: Malaysia Deployment On 23.4.2014 16:49, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: Thanks for the instructions. Let see if we could get that going. Let me know if you run into any issues with the installation, T.K.. Because of the default Fedora 18 partition limited space was reserved for the /library in our XSCE. This lead to error :-)and also ejabberd crash. How much space is available? Can the partition be enlarged? Cheers, Martin ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: Nepal Focus: Thursday's XS(CE) 10AM NYC Time weekly call
Sorry guys forgot that the US switched to daylight savings time. The rest of the world doesn't change until the 30th so the time difference is an hour shorter. I will catch the meeting next week -Jon On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Adam Holt h...@laptop.org wrote: See you in 1 hour! On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Adam Holt h...@laptop.org wrote: Great that Tony Anderson and others have committed to being there to keep the focus on actual educators' needs around XS 0.7 and XSCE 5.1. Perfect given a number of experienced Veteran Volunteers will be visiting http://oleNepal.org in April and May, keeping our global repertoire of EduTech tricks from being lost one country to the next. Thursday we'd like ask ourselves how http://internet-in-a-box.org + XS(CE) is delivering in each of our deployments, examining the real world case of how IIAB is evolving in Nepal with Tony's distribution known as BERNIE (beautiful educ resources needed for innov education?!) In particular we'd like to ask what OLE Nepal XS lessons can be derived for each of our own very pressing needs in Haiti, Africa, etc. But plz also add your own http://schoolserver.org Agenda for Thur March 13th here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o6QtzLb6e58YKWqMf_junux2XyBRLFm31un8YLcYslg Meeting time is always 10AM NYC Time Thursdays, just don't forget NYC advanced its clocks by an hour early yesterday, and send me yr Skype username or phone number in advance, Thanks :) ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] cubox wifi
George, I agree, but the device-tree cookbook description is not as simple as the legacy way of setting up a new kernel. There are lots of variables that need to be taken into account depending on the kernel version, board version, u-boot version OS etc. Writing a proper cookbook is time I just don't have. Hopefully one of the other contributors will step up and get it done. -Jon On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:43 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Jon, In the long run, (my opinion), a cookbook description (similar to the solidrun link) of the process would be more needed than a tarball. Your time, and our education, has real value. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com wrote: George, Things have actually changed a bit as the new kernel is using the new device-tree based configuration. I will build you guys a testing kernel tarball and u-boot in a little bit. -Jon On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:18 AM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jon, Is it correct that I can follow the directions at: http://imx.solid-run.com/wiki/index.php?title=Building_the_kernel_and_u-boot_for_the_CuBox-i_and_the_HummingBoard with a clone from the github link you provided at https://github.com/linux4kix/linux-linaro-stable-mx6? Are there any gotchas? Recommendations? I forget the details from one month/day to the next. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com wrote: Finally out and ready for use. https://github.com/linux4kix/linux-linaro-stable-mx6 All the hardware is functional at this point. The wifi driver is a bit chatty and needs a bit more love for AP mode. Everything else from crypto to esata should be good to go. -Jon On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com wrote: It was probably a UHS capable card. We found some hardware design problems that will need to be rectified to support UHS speeds for the sdcard. For now we will be limiting the card-slot to standard SD high speed modes of 50Mhz which equates to around 20MB/s On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: sounds great. one thing I noticed in Haiti was that I could not get a 16G sd card to be recognized. is this expected or was it my card? Tim -Original Message- From: Jon Nettleton Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 11:03 AM To: xsce-devel Cc: server-devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [XSCE] cubox wifi Tim, Actually the 3.10 kernel is done. The wifi driver is a little chatty and I will work on sorting that out but it is functional. I am just cleaning up the last few patches and will be pushing the kernel for initial testing in a few hours. -Jon On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: Jon, Can you (or anyone else) tell me where to find the drivers for the cubox wifi adapter you mentioned on the call on Tue. Thanks, Tim ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] cubox wifi
I am not 100% sure what is enabled and what isn't but I believe wifi/esata/bluetooth are all working. https://github.com/jmontleon/fedora-20-cubox-i4pro https://github.com/jmontleon/fedora-20-cubox-i4pro-binary Should be a good start. That is a mainline kernel not my patched 3.10 kernel so there are some things that aren't supported but those are mostly multimedia/graphics related. -Jon On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com wrote: George, I agree, but the device-tree cookbook description is not as simple as the legacy way of setting up a new kernel. There are lots of variables that need to be taken into account depending on the kernel version, board version, u-boot version OS etc. Writing a proper cookbook is time I just don't have. Hopefully one of the other contributors will step up and get it done. -Jon On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:43 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Jon, In the long run, (my opinion), a cookbook description (similar to the solidrun link) of the process would be more needed than a tarball. Your time, and our education, has real value. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com wrote: George, Things have actually changed a bit as the new kernel is using the new device-tree based configuration. I will build you guys a testing kernel tarball and u-boot in a little bit. -Jon On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:18 AM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jon, Is it correct that I can follow the directions at: http://imx.solid-run.com/wiki/index.php?title=Building_the_kernel_and_u-boot_for_the_CuBox-i_and_the_HummingBoard with a clone from the github link you provided at https://github.com/linux4kix/linux-linaro-stable-mx6? Are there any gotchas? Recommendations? I forget the details from one month/day to the next. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com wrote: Finally out and ready for use. https://github.com/linux4kix/linux-linaro-stable-mx6 All the hardware is functional at this point. The wifi driver is a bit chatty and needs a bit more love for AP mode. Everything else from crypto to esata should be good to go. -Jon On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com wrote: It was probably a UHS capable card. We found some hardware design problems that will need to be rectified to support UHS speeds for the sdcard. For now we will be limiting the card-slot to standard SD high speed modes of 50Mhz which equates to around 20MB/s On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: sounds great. one thing I noticed in Haiti was that I could not get a 16G sd card to be recognized. is this expected or was it my card? Tim -Original Message- From: Jon Nettleton Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 11:03 AM To: xsce-devel Cc: server-devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [XSCE] cubox wifi Tim, Actually the 3.10 kernel is done. The wifi driver is a little chatty and I will work on sorting that out but it is functional. I am just cleaning up the last few patches and will be pushing the kernel for initial testing in a few hours. -Jon On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: Jon, Can you (or anyone else) tell me where to find the drivers for the cubox wifi adapter you mentioned on the call on Tue. Thanks, Tim ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] cubox wifi
George, Things have actually changed a bit as the new kernel is using the new device-tree based configuration. I will build you guys a testing kernel tarball and u-boot in a little bit. -Jon On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:18 AM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jon, Is it correct that I can follow the directions at: http://imx.solid-run.com/wiki/index.php?title=Building_the_kernel_and_u-boot_for_the_CuBox-i_and_the_HummingBoard with a clone from the github link you provided at https://github.com/linux4kix/linux-linaro-stable-mx6? Are there any gotchas? Recommendations? I forget the details from one month/day to the next. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com wrote: Finally out and ready for use. https://github.com/linux4kix/linux-linaro-stable-mx6 All the hardware is functional at this point. The wifi driver is a bit chatty and needs a bit more love for AP mode. Everything else from crypto to esata should be good to go. -Jon On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com wrote: It was probably a UHS capable card. We found some hardware design problems that will need to be rectified to support UHS speeds for the sdcard. For now we will be limiting the card-slot to standard SD high speed modes of 50Mhz which equates to around 20MB/s On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: sounds great. one thing I noticed in Haiti was that I could not get a 16G sd card to be recognized. is this expected or was it my card? Tim -Original Message- From: Jon Nettleton Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 11:03 AM To: xsce-devel Cc: server-devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [XSCE] cubox wifi Tim, Actually the 3.10 kernel is done. The wifi driver is a little chatty and I will work on sorting that out but it is functional. I am just cleaning up the last few patches and will be pushing the kernel for initial testing in a few hours. -Jon On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: Jon, Can you (or anyone else) tell me where to find the drivers for the cubox wifi adapter you mentioned on the call on Tue. Thanks, Tim ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] cubox wifi
Tim, Actually the 3.10 kernel is done. The wifi driver is a little chatty and I will work on sorting that out but it is functional. I am just cleaning up the last few patches and will be pushing the kernel for initial testing in a few hours. -Jon On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: Jon, Can you (or anyone else) tell me where to find the drivers for the cubox wifi adapter you mentioned on the call on Tue. Thanks, Tim ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] cubox wifi
It was probably a UHS capable card. We found some hardware design problems that will need to be rectified to support UHS speeds for the sdcard. For now we will be limiting the card-slot to standard SD high speed modes of 50Mhz which equates to around 20MB/s On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: sounds great. one thing I noticed in Haiti was that I could not get a 16G sd card to be recognized. is this expected or was it my card? Tim -Original Message- From: Jon Nettleton Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 11:03 AM To: xsce-devel Cc: server-devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: [XSCE] cubox wifi Tim, Actually the 3.10 kernel is done. The wifi driver is a little chatty and I will work on sorting that out but it is functional. I am just cleaning up the last few patches and will be pushing the kernel for initial testing in a few hours. -Jon On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: Jon, Can you (or anyone else) tell me where to find the drivers for the cubox wifi adapter you mentioned on the call on Tue. Thanks, Tim ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] XO-1 wireless tests
*snip* So I think the answer is yes to 1) and yes to 2), especially if you are unlucky enough to have your target AP and the active mesh on the same channel. Does the mesh get disabled or moved when you connect to an AP on a different channel? The XO's only have a single radio so can only communicate efficiently on a single channel at a time. If we are trying to keep the mesh active on one channel and connect to an AP on another that is certainly going to cause problems. -Jon ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [UKids] XO-1 classrooms don't reliably connect to many/most Wifi AP's
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:08 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:31:39AM +1100, James Cameron wrote: On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 07:18:49PM -0500, Kevin Gordon Gmail wrote: Tp link set as 3g router mode, with usb Sierra wireless usb modem, set to channel 11, 80211g only, wpa2 pal security. Running stock f/w. Terry found that channel 1 was the most afflicted. I suspect, but I haven't checked, that the idle mesh only uses channel 1, but it also use whatever channel the laptop is associated with. Tim's results from Open Firmware show that the idle mesh switches to whatever channel is being used for association with an access point. This has to be the case because there is only one radio, so both 802.11s and 802.11b/g have to be configured for the same channel. So while we would normally see an operating mesh on 1, 6 and 11, it can be seen on other channels as well. The underlying fault was somewhat channel specific ... because the scans are done in sets; (1,2,3,4), (5,6,7,8), (9,10,11,12). If a mesh was heard on channel 1 then the scan results for channels 2, 3 and 4 will have been lost. If a mesh was heard on channel 9, then the scan results for channels 10, 11 and 12 will have been lost. I think really what we need to do is have a better workflow for detecting connectivity, not much different from how we are handling ad-hoc on the later model XO's I think on initial boot, or waking from suspend and the previous wifi state was not connected, we need to disable the mesh interface and scan for infrastructure AP's. Then if this fails we can either scan for ad-hoc or bring up the mesh interface and look for a mesh network to connect to. I think besides driver bugs we have a general problem of trying to do too much at the same time with a single radio. any takers on this workflow for network discovery? -Jon ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging
I figured we just put the cubox at the back of the case for now and loop the esata cable back around into the box to hook up the drive. Is there any reason to even worry about making the hdmi cable available? In the back of my head I do have a dream where the XSCE could sit attached to a monitor/projector for teaching materials, but that seems far enough out not to worry about it. What does everyone else think? You guys obviously have more in the field experience than myself. Those sorts of cases just seemed like a relatively cheap solution to a problem that was brought up. I did talk with Rabeeh about the cooling for the i4pro and he said the external case didn't need any sort of special cooling it just radiates as is and should be fine completely enclosed. There is actually a team that is building an i4pro into their RC surveillance plane :-) My i4pro should be here this coming week and I can box it up, stress test it, and monitor thermals from the on-board sensor as well as my IR thermometer to make sure things look reasonable. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 3:48 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: What's the best strategy long term? The cubox has all its connectors on one face. Most of these need to be available to the outside. We can open the cubox and solder a esata connector that comes out the back. Picture is at http://imx.solid-run.com/wiki/index.php?title=CuBox-i_Hardware. Or we can try to project the essential stuff from the cubox mounted internally, and not really accessible from the outside. The second item ending in 231 looks like it has pigtails to project the usb to the outside. We'd need to do the same for the internal ethernet adapter. This approach still leaves the hdmi, and console usb that might need to be available occasionally. So maybe in the long run, we need something intermediate between the two Jon has suggested, so that when it is necessary, we can get a hand into the box to make insert the hdmi or console cables. I'm in favor with going with number ..231 this time around. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.comwrote: Well from taking some basic measurements I was thinking we could pack a 2.5 sata drive and connector along with the cubox into a 5.25 external case like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817145090 That with a few dremel modifications and some soldering I think it would make a nice compact holder. Given the time constraints that is probably not happening. I did look around and found this which is more than enough space to do whatever is needed without much more cost, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163231 It also has excellent ventilation. Of course these are just suggestions to help create a more self-contained product right now. ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging
As for the connectors, I don't think an esata connector is either less or more vulnerable than a cat5 connector, which we will have two of, one via usb, or any other connector. Yes they are possible failure points, but as long as we make sure the esata cables have the locking connectors things should be fine. The new beta kernel is making progress. I spent more time than I had wanted debugging some problems with another user that had a Cubox-i in regards to u-boot, device-tree, and the 3.10 kernel. I have one last intermittent bug that I think is fixed and then it should be ready for testing. If everything runs fine overnight it will be ready tomorrow morning. -Jon On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 4:44 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: My experience tells me that connectors are the weak link in most systems. So I'm not excited about a connector that is part of the essential data path, exiting the enclosure and exposed to being bumped/damaged. Jon, I'd really like to start working on your kernel, and getting it to play nicely with the XSCE. Is that possible? soon? On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.comwrote: I figured we just put the cubox at the back of the case for now and loop the esata cable back around into the box to hook up the drive. Is there any reason to even worry about making the hdmi cable available? In the back of my head I do have a dream where the XSCE could sit attached to a monitor/projector for teaching materials, but that seems far enough out not to worry about it. What does everyone else think? You guys obviously have more in the field experience than myself. Those sorts of cases just seemed like a relatively cheap solution to a problem that was brought up. I did talk with Rabeeh about the cooling for the i4pro and he said the external case didn't need any sort of special cooling it just radiates as is and should be fine completely enclosed. There is actually a team that is building an i4pro into their RC surveillance plane :-) My i4pro should be here this coming week and I can box it up, stress test it, and monitor thermals from the on-board sensor as well as my IR thermometer to make sure things look reasonable. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 3:48 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.comwrote: What's the best strategy long term? The cubox has all its connectors on one face. Most of these need to be available to the outside. We can open the cubox and solder a esata connector that comes out the back. Picture is at http://imx.solid-run.com/wiki/index.php?title=CuBox-i_Hardware. Or we can try to project the essential stuff from the cubox mounted internally, and not really accessible from the outside. The second item ending in 231 looks like it has pigtails to project the usb to the outside. We'd need to do the same for the internal ethernet adapter. This approach still leaves the hdmi, and console usb that might need to be available occasionally. So maybe in the long run, we need something intermediate between the two Jon has suggested, so that when it is necessary, we can get a hand into the box to make insert the hdmi or console cables. I'm in favor with going with number ..231 this time around. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.comwrote: Well from taking some basic measurements I was thinking we could pack a 2.5 sata drive and connector along with the cubox into a 5.25 external case like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817145090 That with a few dremel modifications and some soldering I think it would make a nice compact holder. Given the time constraints that is probably not happening. I did look around and found this which is more than enough space to do whatever is needed without much more cost, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163231 It also has excellent ventilation. Of course these are just suggestions to help create a more self-contained product right now. ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging
All we need is 5volt DC in, preferably 2amps minimum. If the drives aren't too power hungry then they should be able to be powered by the eSATAp connector, although I haven't tested that. I will actually ask Rabeeh if he has tested it. I know he has tested eSATA just don't know if it was self powered. If we can't get eSATA to power the drive for whatever reason then a USB port should be possible. A lot of older eSATA cases would require a usb plug for power, if they didn't support eSATAp. Most of this depends on the draw of the drives. If we want a battery backup solution then we probably want the larger case I posted a link to earlier and then a battery solution that provides two 5volt 2amp outputs. I am pretty sure I saw one on Amazon. Do you guys have the models of drives you plan on using for storage? Time to run some numbers. ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging
A quick look on NewEgg and this looks just about perfect. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0ZA-0007-7 1 5volt 2.1 amp output for the cubox-i and then a second 1amp 5volt output for the drive. Or for super large http://www.amazon.com/15000mAh-Portable-Ultra-High-Capacity-External/dp/B00D5T3QK4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1388855388sr=8-1keywords=anker+astro That is a 15000mAh battery. That means that we can run at 2 amps for about 7.5 hours on battery. Not too bad. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.comwrote: All we need is 5volt DC in, preferably 2amps minimum. If the drives aren't too power hungry then they should be able to be powered by the eSATAp connector, although I haven't tested that. I will actually ask Rabeeh if he has tested it. I know he has tested eSATA just don't know if it was self powered. If we can't get eSATA to power the drive for whatever reason then a USB port should be possible. A lot of older eSATA cases would require a usb plug for power, if they didn't support eSATAp. Most of this depends on the draw of the drives. If we want a battery backup solution then we probably want the larger case I posted a link to earlier and then a battery solution that provides two 5volt 2amp outputs. I am pretty sure I saw one on Amazon. Do you guys have the models of drives you plan on using for storage? Time to run some numbers. ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging
Those and some sheet metal screws or pop rivets look about perfect to me. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: http://www.markertek.com/Connectors-Adapters/Data-Connectors-Adapters/RJ45-CAT5-and-CAT6-Connectors/Switchcraft-Corporation/EHRJ45P5E.xhtmlor someplace else to find a cat5e case mountable receptacle. Tim *From:* Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:50 AM *To:* George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com ; Jon Nettletonjon.nettle...@gmail.com *Cc:* XS Devel server-devel@lists.laptop.org ; xsce-develxsce-de...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [XSCE] Re: Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging My first question is are we trying to run off AC or 12V DC. If the latter, do we need a 12V connector and wires to split for the cubox and the drive? I was also assuming we would use a conventional 2.5” sata drive with a sata to esata connector cable. My custom case at home brings motherboard usb to an external connector and I’m guessing that ..231 does the same. It would be nice if there were an rj45 connector on the chassis that could pass through the ethernet from the cubox. Tim *From:* George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 10:44 AM *To:* Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com *Cc:* Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com ; XS Develserver-devel@lists.laptop.org; xsce-devel xsce-de...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging My experience tells me that connectors are the weak link in most systems. So I'm not excited about a connector that is part of the essential data path, exiting the enclosure and exposed to being bumped/damaged. Jon, I'd really like to start working on your kernel, and getting it to play nicely with the XSCE. Is that possible? soon? On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.comwrote: I figured we just put the cubox at the back of the case for now and loop the esata cable back around into the box to hook up the drive. Is there any reason to even worry about making the hdmi cable available? In the back of my head I do have a dream where the XSCE could sit attached to a monitor/projector for teaching materials, but that seems far enough out not to worry about it. What does everyone else think? You guys obviously have more in the field experience than myself. Those sorts of cases just seemed like a relatively cheap solution to a problem that was brought up. I did talk with Rabeeh about the cooling for the i4pro and he said the external case didn't need any sort of special cooling it just radiates as is and should be fine completely enclosed. There is actually a team that is building an i4pro into their RC surveillance plane :-) My i4pro should be here this coming week and I can box it up, stress test it, and monitor thermals from the on-board sensor as well as my IR thermometer to make sure things look reasonable. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 3:48 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.comwrote: What's the best strategy long term? The cubox has all its connectors on one face. Most of these need to be available to the outside. We can open the cubox and solder a esata connector that comes out the back. Picture is at http://imx.solid-run.com/wiki/index.php?title=CuBox-i_Hardware. Or we can try to project the essential stuff from the cubox mounted internally, and not really accessible from the outside. The second item ending in 231 looks like it has pigtails to project the usb to the outside. We'd need to do the same for the internal ethernet adapter. This approach still leaves the hdmi, and console usb that might need to be available occasionally. So maybe in the long run, we need something intermediate between the two Jon has suggested, so that when it is necessary, we can get a hand into the box to make insert the hdmi or console cables. I'm in favor with going with number ..231 this time around. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.comwrote: Well from taking some basic measurements I was thinking we could pack a 2.5 sata drive and connector along with the cubox into a 5.25 external case like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817145090 That with a few dremel modifications and some soldering I think it would make a nice compact holder. Given the time constraints that is probably not happening. I did look around and found this which is more than enough space to do whatever is needed without much more cost, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163231 It also has excellent ventilation. Of course these are just suggestions to help create a more self-contained product right now. ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging
According the their website it is 1.5A max http://www.ianker.com/support-c1-g228.html which would put us at 10 hours for a full recharge, without draw on it. Again this isn't a tradition UPS, but something that we can put to use because of the low draw of our server :-) I am sure the 5volts can be provided by either an AC - 5volt DC coverter or a 12 volt to 5 volt DC converter. I have a 12volt to 5volt 3amp converter in my car that can charge two modern cell phones. Those electronics are pretty cheap thanks to smart phones. Until I know what drives we are using most of this is speculation. The IMX6 SOC has very intricate control over the power states of the hardware. If we know we are in a battery use situation we can limit the number of cores powered on and various other things. Out of the box we are doing dynamic frequency scaling and various cpu idle states to minimize power usage. I don't believe there is anything out of the box that will tell us we are on battery power. However the cubox-i does have an IR input. Perhaps replacing the LED notification lights on the battery pack with an IR emitter could work for us? I am not sure what the Cubox-i has inside for GPIO, I don't think much. That is why switching to custom boards in the future would give us a bit more flexibility. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: this is a nice idea. the input says 5V 1A max and we want to supply 5V 2A for 7.5 hours. does this mean we need another 15 hrs for charging? how do we supply the 5V input, from AC or 12V. of course it would be nice if we could sense the charge level in the charger device and shutdown when it is low. I know that is one of George’s pet projects. are there low power states we can put the drive (spin down) and the cubox (sleep) into? Tim *From:* Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:14 PM *To:* Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com *Cc:* George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com ; XS Develserver-devel@lists.laptop.org; xsce-devel xsce-de...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [XSCE] Re: Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging A quick look on NewEgg and this looks just about perfect. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0ZA-0007-7 1 5volt 2.1 amp output for the cubox-i and then a second 1amp 5volt output for the drive. Or for super large http://www.amazon.com/15000mAh-Portable-Ultra-High-Capacity-External/dp/B00D5T3QK4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1388855388sr=8-1keywords=anker+astro That is a 15000mAh battery. That means that we can run at 2 amps for about 7.5 hours on battery. Not too bad. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.comwrote: All we need is 5volt DC in, preferably 2amps minimum. If the drives aren't too power hungry then they should be able to be powered by the eSATAp connector, although I haven't tested that. I will actually ask Rabeeh if he has tested it. I know he has tested eSATA just don't know if it was self powered. If we can't get eSATA to power the drive for whatever reason then a USB port should be possible. A lot of older eSATA cases would require a usb plug for power, if they didn't support eSATAp. Most of this depends on the draw of the drives. If we want a battery backup solution then we probably want the larger case I posted a link to earlier and then a battery solution that provides two 5volt 2amp outputs. I am pretty sure I saw one on Amazon. Do you guys have the models of drives you plan on using for storage? Time to run some numbers. ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging
Okay looking at some reviews that drive has been measured to pull 3 watts at peak power. That is .6 amps which should be able to be powered by a single USB port, unless we go the battery route and then the 1 amp port on either of those battery options is more than sufficient. On Jan 4, 2014 6:52 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: for a drive I am looking at http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8511357CatId=139 I assume we want 5400 rpm for less power. Tim *From:* Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:05 PM *To:* Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com *Cc:* George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com ; XS Develserver-devel@lists.laptop.org; xsce-devel xsce-de...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [XSCE] Re: Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging All we need is 5volt DC in, preferably 2amps minimum. If the drives aren't too power hungry then they should be able to be powered by the eSATAp connector, although I haven't tested that. I will actually ask Rabeeh if he has tested it. I know he has tested eSATA just don't know if it was self powered. If we can't get eSATA to power the drive for whatever reason then a USB port should be possible. A lot of older eSATA cases would require a usb plug for power, if they didn't support eSATAp. Most of this depends on the draw of the drives. If we want a battery backup solution then we probably want the larger case I posted a link to earlier and then a battery solution that provides two 5volt 2amp outputs. I am pretty sure I saw one on Amazon. Do you guys have the models of drives you plan on using for storage? Time to run some numbers. ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging
I poked around a bit more on the web to see if there are better battery solutions. This seems to be the most powerful/fast charging. http://www.amazon.com/External-Battery-Pack-Limeade-L156X/dp/B00BZDK3XK/ref=sr_1_1?s=wirelessie=UTF8qid=1388904862sr=1-1keywords=Limefuel+Blast+L156X It can take a 2amp input for charging/pass through and autodetects both ports with a max output of 4.2 amps. This guy does have a larger battery at a cheaper price but it is less specific with operation details. http://www.amazon.com/EC-TECHNOLOGY-Ultra-high-Thunderbolt-Incredible/dp/B00FDK2G2C/ref=pd_sim_cps_5#productDetails If this is a route we think we would like to go down. I could contact both companies and see what they think about continuous use of their products in pass through mode. Some charging circuits are designed better than others. If we want to power the XSCE from a 12 volt source we would also need something like http://www.amazon.com/KEEDOX%C2%AE-Converter-Power-Supply-Module/dp/B00A71CMDU/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1388905619sr=1-1keywords=dc+12v+to+5v which we then solder the appropriate ends onto. For costing we are looking at around $100 cubox $90 drive $35 case $50 battery $10 dc/dc converter $30-50 cables and connectors. Right around $300 USD. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: the rj45 passthrough connectors referenced in the immediately preceding email. Tim *From:* George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 8:06 PM *To:* xsce-devel xsce-de...@googlegroups.com *Cc:* XS Devel server-devel@lists.laptop.org *Subject:* Re: [XSCE] Re: Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: I ordered 3 of these and some passthrough usb 2.0 connectors for good measure. This thread has talked about enclosures, disks, batteries. Which did you buy 3 of? Tim *From:* Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:15 PM *To:* xsce-devel xsce-de...@googlegroups.com *Cc:* George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com ; XS Develserver-devel@lists.laptop.org *Subject:* Re: [XSCE] Re: Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging Those and some sheet metal screws or pop rivets look about perfect to me. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com wrote: http://www.markertek.com/Connectors-Adapters/Data-Connectors-Adapters/RJ45-CAT5-and-CAT6-Connectors/Switchcraft-Corporation/EHRJ45P5E.xhtmlor someplace else to find a cat5e case mountable receptacle. Tim *From:* Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:50 AM *To:* George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com ; Jon Nettletonjon.nettle...@gmail.com *Cc:* XS Devel server-devel@lists.laptop.org ; xsce-develxsce-de...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [XSCE] Re: Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging My first question is are we trying to run off AC or 12V DC. If the latter, do we need a 12V connector and wires to split for the cubox and the drive? I was also assuming we would use a conventional 2.5” sata drive with a sata to esata connector cable. My custom case at home brings motherboard usb to an external connector and I’m guessing that ..231 does the same. It would be nice if there were an rj45 connector on the chassis that could pass through the ethernet from the cubox. Tim *From:* George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 10:44 AM *To:* Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com *Cc:* Tim Moody t...@timmoody.com ; XS Develserver-devel@lists.laptop.org; xsce-devel xsce-de...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Cubox Solidrun Prototype Packaging My experience tells me that connectors are the weak link in most systems. So I'm not excited about a connector that is part of the essential data path, exiting the enclosure and exposed to being bumped/damaged. Jon, I'd really like to start working on your kernel, and getting it to play nicely with the XSCE. Is that possible? soon? On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.comwrote: I figured we just put the cubox at the back of the case for now and loop the esata cable back around into the box to hook up the drive. Is there any reason to even worry about making the hdmi cable available? In the back of my head I do have a dream where the XSCE could sit attached to a monitor/projector for teaching materials, but that seems far enough out not to worry about it. What does everyone else think? You guys obviously have more in the field experience than myself. Those sorts of cases just seemed like a relatively cheap solution to a problem that was brought up. I did talk with Rabeeh about the cooling for the i4pro and he said the external case didn't need any sort of special cooling it just radiates as is and should be fine completely enclosed. There is actually a team that is building an i4pro into their RC surveillance
Re: [Server-devel] a kernel for our solidrun protos?
George, Start out running the u-boot and kernel that Rabeeh has provided, that is based on the current stable kernel sources provided by Freescale. I have a 3.10 based kernel that is more performant but I have not run it on the i4 hardware yet. Getting a baseline on the standard we can then better diagnose bugs or performance issues one way or the other with the new kernel. For the second partition feel free to untar the F18 armhfp base image. Changing the kernel command line can be done using a uEnv.txt file on the first partition of the SDHC port. If we need anything more advanced I can write a u-boot boot script, or custom u-boot to handle loading things. We may want a fallback kernel or something similar. Let me know if you have any questions or problems. Jon ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: $400 computer for Haiti
Here is a great reference for choosing hard drivers. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2013-mobile-hdd-charts/benchmarks,136.html If you scroll down you will see power draw during idle, video playback, database. Looks like we should easily do an entire system with drive for 3 watts -Jon On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Looking at the pdf certification/specification documentation for the Dell 660s, I find the idle power is 51 watts, peaking to 100 watts under heavy use. The idle power continues to be my concern (Anna talks about heat. But it amounts to the same concern). For comparison purposes, Tony's MSI Atom bases machine measured 28 Watts, and the XO4 is about 8 Watts with external hard disk. For the higher wattages, the fan becomes the weak link. In my fantasy world, we could find the sweet spot between just the correct amount of cpu for our server application, nestled into RAM and hard disk, that minimized the cost of all the components. But googling Zotac fan replacement, I came up with the deciding factor, for me. Zotac fans are not ball bearing, and apparently wear out within a year time frame. They are not available from Zotac, and are not available in replacement after-market form factor. I have experience with Dell parts replacement. So I'm inclined to go with Dell the $399.99 Inspiron 660s i3-DualCore-3.4GHz-3MB cache, 4GB RAM, 1TB 7200rpm, 2X USB 3.0? http://dell.com/us/p/inspiron-660s/pd The Dell fan replacement instructions on page 59 of ftp://ftp.dell.com/Manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_inspiron_desktop/inspiron-660s_Owner's%20Manual_en-us.pdfmake me much more confident that the hardware can live on for years. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Adam Holt h...@laptop.org wrote: What about the $399.99 Inspiron 660s i3-DualCore-3.4GHz-3MB cache, 4GB RAM, 1TB 7200rpm, 2X USB 3.0? http://dell.com/us/p/inspiron-660s/pd Or the $499.99 Inspiron 660s i5-QuadCore-3.3GHz-8MB cache, 8GB RAM, 1TB 7200 rpm, 2X USB 3.0? http://dealnews.com/Dell-Inspiron-660-s-Ivy-Core-i5-Quad-2.8-GHz-Desktop-PC-for-500-free-shipping/935700.html http://www.logicbuy.com/deals/dell-inspiron-660s-deal/40218.aspx If we trust 7200rpm and Dell for reliability?? If so both appear to offer free shipping if ordered by Dec 20 11am EST. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Anna ascho...@gmail.com wrote: What's the climate control situation at the site in Haiti? I live in a 100 year old house in Birmingham, Alabama, without central AC. In the summer, I have to physically relocate equipment to my server room (a well insulated room where I keep a window unit on full blast). Otherwise, fans sound like jet planes taking off and everything gets really hot and stressed. Anyway, heat related failure would be one of my main concerns in Haiti. Anna On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 4:58 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, The Haiti deployment we are preparing for, made $400 available for a server, and power is available. What hardware has been the question. Tony had lots of experience with Atom processors, and suggested nettop boxes. My research has led me to the following: $193 Zortec celeron processor http://www.amazon.com/Zotac-Dual-Core-Celeron-Barebone-ZBOXNANO-ID61-U/dp/B008OHRFE0/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1387490390sr=1-7keywords=zotac+barebone $75 8GB Memory -- http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-1x8GB-Laptop-Memory-CMSO8GX3M1A1333C9/dp/B005T63BEM/ref=pd_sim_pc_1 $86 WD blue 1TB drive -- http://www.amazon.com/WD-Blue-Mobile-Hard-Drive/dp/B005DVJJWQ/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8qid=1387491567sr=8-4keywords=wd+2.5+1+tb+blue Total $354 + tax Per Tim Moody's suggestion, I consulted http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php The Atom processor d535 has a passmark score of 693 The celeron, for about the same price, selected in this proposal, has passmark score of 1215 The i3 version of the Zortac box is $130 more and its passmark score is 3833 Of course, cpu benchmarks are not the only issue. I think it has been suggested more money should be put into memory, when trying to serve many clients. Soliciting inputs . . . George ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel -- http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-develhttp://unleashkids.org ! ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] a kernel for our solidrun protos?
I am working on that kernel a bit today so can whip up some images. uboot needs to be dd'd onto the microsdhc card. I will point you to the wiki and my binaries. -Jon On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:23 AM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: I've used xzimages, and zimages, on trimslice, and it was easy enough. Is uboot already on the board? Occasionally, I've needed to mess with ubootparameters, and I get lost very quickly in hex load addresses etc. Raspberry Pi starts off with a zimage and is trivial. But an image, and a short recipe would be good for me. I guess I was assuming that after getting the kernel, and a few basics, like yum, we could point to FC18 repos, and get to the base fedora 18 system, which we then augment with ansible to make it into a School Server. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.comwrote: Do you guys need rpms or is a base zImage okay to get started? I started getting together rpms but got buried in work. Just compiling a zImage and .dtb file that you can drop in /boot would be easiest if you can work with that for starters. -Jon On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:00 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: sani, What would you recommend? On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Jon, I'm beginning to want to do something with the solidrun proto. It looks like I can use the fedora 18 image at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cubie_Board, and drop in a kernel that works with the new board. Is that the case? Is there a kernel that I should be using? Or what do you suggest? George ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] a kernel for our solidrun protos?
Do you guys need rpms or is a base zImage okay to get started? I started getting together rpms but got buried in work. Just compiling a zImage and .dtb file that you can drop in /boot would be easiest if you can work with that for starters. -Jon On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:00 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: sani, What would you recommend? On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Jon, I'm beginning to want to do something with the solidrun proto. It looks like I can use the fedora 18 image at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cubie_Board, and drop in a kernel that works with the new board. Is that the case? Is there a kernel that I should be using? Or what do you suggest? George ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: XSCE weekly voice call, 2PM NYC Time Thursday
Unfortunately I can't make it tonight guys. I will review the minutes/call notes and make it to the next one. If there are questions on the call that you need my input on try IRC. I will kind of be online but can't be on a voice call as I will be on another one. -Jon On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Adam Holt h...@unleashkids.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Adam Holt h...@laptop.org wrote: Some of us will join from Malaysia next week (1AM) but obviously some will not ;) Correction: 3AM Malaysia Time! In any case, 2PM NYC Time every Thursday. Agenda/Minutes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o6QtzLb6e58YKWqMf_junux2XyBRLFm31un8YLcYslg George is back and 0.5 is coming down to the wire! Thanks again for sending yr Skype username or phone number in advance if you can join in just under 5 hrs from now (2PM NYC Time). -- Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org ! ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: Weekly log rotation
Had to take a look at my server to evaluate. The problem is that in
/etc/logrotate.d/ there is a symlink '*' pointing to /usr/share/xs
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Anna ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Jon Nettleton
jon.nettle...@gmail.comwrote:
Does it work if you run /etc/cron.daily/logrotate by hand as root?
Nope:
[root@schoolserver] ~ cd /etc/cron.daily/
[root@schoolserver] cron.daily ./logrotate
error: failed to open config file *: No such file or directory
error: found error in file *, skipping
So this is weird to see this in there:
[root@schoolserver] ~ ls /etc/cron.daily/
etckeeper logrotate man-db.cron mlocate.cron
[root@schoolserver] cron.daily cat logrotate
#!/bin/sh
/usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf
EXITVALUE=$?
if [ $EXITVALUE != 0 ]; then
/usr/bin/logger -t logrotate ALERT exited abnormally with
[$EXITVALUE]
fi
exit 0
[root@schoolserver] cron.daily whereis logger
logger: /bin/logger /usr/bin/logger /usr/share/man/man1p/logger.1p.gz
And there's nothing here:
[root@schoolserver] ~ ls /etc/cron.weekly/
[root@schoolserver] ~
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Anna ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com
wrote:
What does your /etc/logrotate.conf look like? One option for logrotate
is to only rotate if the logs have reached a certain size.
My understanding was it was supposed to rotate weekly no matter what.
[root@schoolserver] ~ cat /etc/logrotate.conf
# see man logrotate for details
# rotate log files weekly
weekly
# keep 4 weeks worth of backlogs
rotate 4
# create new (empty) log files after rotating old ones
create
# use date as a suffix of the rotated file
dateext
# uncomment this if you want your log files compressed
#compress
# RPM packages drop log rotation information into this directory
include /etc/logrotate.d
# no packages own wtmp and btmp -- we'll rotate them here
/var/log/wtmp {
monthly
create 0664 root utmp
minsize 1M
rotate 1
}
/var/log/btmp {
missingok
monthly
create 0600 root utmp
rotate 1
}
# system-specific logs may be also be configured here.
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Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: Weekly log rotation
sorry cramped typing space. There is a symlink of '*' pointing to
/usr/share/xs-config/cfg/etc/logrotate.d/* This must be an error in the
image generation script.
-Jon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.comwrote:
Had to take a look at my server to evaluate. The problem is that in
/etc/logrotate.d/ there is a symlink '*' pointing to /usr/share/xs
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Anna ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Jon Nettleton
jon.nettle...@gmail.comwrote:
Does it work if you run /etc/cron.daily/logrotate by hand as root?
Nope:
[root@schoolserver] ~ cd /etc/cron.daily/
[root@schoolserver] cron.daily ./logrotate
error: failed to open config file *: No such file or directory
error: found error in file *, skipping
So this is weird to see this in there:
[root@schoolserver] ~ ls /etc/cron.daily/
etckeeper logrotate man-db.cron mlocate.cron
[root@schoolserver] cron.daily cat logrotate
#!/bin/sh
/usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf
EXITVALUE=$?
if [ $EXITVALUE != 0 ]; then
/usr/bin/logger -t logrotate ALERT exited abnormally with
[$EXITVALUE]
fi
exit 0
[root@schoolserver] cron.daily whereis logger
logger: /bin/logger /usr/bin/logger /usr/share/man/man1p/logger.1p.gz
And there's nothing here:
[root@schoolserver] ~ ls /etc/cron.weekly/
[root@schoolserver] ~
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Anna ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Jon Nettleton
jon.nettle...@gmail.com wrote:
What does your /etc/logrotate.conf look like? One option for
logrotate is to only rotate if the logs have reached a certain size.
My understanding was it was supposed to rotate weekly no matter what.
[root@schoolserver] ~ cat /etc/logrotate.conf
# see man logrotate for details
# rotate log files weekly
weekly
# keep 4 weeks worth of backlogs
rotate 4
# create new (empty) log files after rotating old ones
create
# use date as a suffix of the rotated file
dateext
# uncomment this if you want your log files compressed
#compress
# RPM packages drop log rotation information into this directory
include /etc/logrotate.d
# no packages own wtmp and btmp -- we'll rotate them here
/var/log/wtmp {
monthly
create 0664 root utmp
minsize 1M
rotate 1
}
/var/log/btmp {
missingok
monthly
create 0600 root utmp
rotate 1
}
# system-specific logs may be also be configured here.
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Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: Weekly log rotation
What does your /etc/logrotate.conf look like? One option for logrotate is
to only rotate if the logs have reached a certain size.
-Jon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Anna ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:50 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
Things to check:
- is crond running? (it isn't present by default on OLPC OS)
[root@schoolserver] ~ systemctl status crond.service
crond.service - Command Scheduler
Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/crond.service; enabled)
Active: active (running) since Wed 2013-09-11 00:20:49 GMT; 1 weeks 1
days ago
Main PID: 513 (crond)
CGroup: name=systemd:/system/crond.service
└─513 /usr/sbin/crond -n
Warning: Journal has been rotated since unit was started. Log output is
incomplete or unavailable.
- is logrotate installed?
[root@schoolserver] ~ whereis logrotate
logrotate: /sbin/logrotate /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf
/etc/logrotate.d
- is /etc/cron.daily/logrotate present?
[root@schoolserver] ~ cat /etc/cron.daily/logrotate
#!/bin/sh
/usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf
EXITVALUE=$?
if [ $EXITVALUE != 0 ]; then
/usr/bin/logger -t logrotate ALERT exited abnormally with
[$EXITVALUE]
fi
exit 0
- is /etc/logrotate.d/syslog present?
[root@schoolserver] ~ cat /etc/logrotate.d/syslog
/var/log/cron
/var/log/maillog
/var/log/messages
/var/log/secure
/var/log/spooler
{
sharedscripts
postrotate
/bin/kill -HUP `cat /var/run/syslogd.pid 2 /dev/null` 2 /dev/null || true
endscript
}
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:10:39PM -0500, Anna wrote:
Oops, forgot to copy server-devel
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Anna ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
Was weekly log rotation supposed to be a thing? I thought we
talked about
it.
Here's the XSCE on an XO 1.5, running like a champ for this uptime
on
xs-config-0.8.4.260.g5388399-1.noarch
[root@schoolserver] ~ uptime
03:43:11 up 8 days, 3:22, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.24,
0.27
[root@schoolserver] ~ ls /var/log
btmp httpd monit.log ppp
spooler user.logyum.log
cron lastlog moodle puppet
squidwpa_supplicant.log
dansguardian maillog moodle-instupg.log
pwr-SHC0050085F-130911_002052.csv sugar-stats wtmp
ejabberd messages powerd.tracesecure
tallylog xs-setup.log
I've poked into dirs in /var/log and don't see any log rotation.
But
secure should be rotating, if log rotation is working.
Anna
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Re: [Server-devel] Hidden SSID and Proxy settings
This wouldn't happen to be in NYC, would it? I remember reading a long time ago that the schools there have a policy that SSIDs can't be broadcast. You might deter my Grandma with that, but it's almost pointless as a security measure. http://olpcnyc.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/connecting-to-hidden-wifi-networks/ That workaround is likely deprecated now, though. If this is a newer image, one based on F11 then you should be able to use nmcli to connect. Take a look at this page. http://blog.nixpanic.net/2011/01/connect-automatically-and-immediately.html Hope that helps. My grandma would still hack it in 2 seconds though :-) Jon ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
