Re: [Server-devel] [Dextrose] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Server project initiation announce
-Original Message- From: Martin Langhoff [mailto:martin.langh...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 11:46 PM To: David Farning Cc: Aleksey Lim; server-devel@lists.laptop.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; olpc...@lists.laptop.org; dextr...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Dextrose] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Server project initiation announce On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:44 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: You are 100% correct in these criticisms and concerns about Activity Central. We are a new company working in a new market. Failures and mistakes are inevitable. If you have been hurt by those mistakes, I apologize and accept full responsibility for them. Hi David! Look -- thanks for being so frank and open. Past it the past, and I've made mistakes aplenty myself. What I was trying to say was: you seem to be doing the same thing again. Like now. I mean -- today. How 'bout taking a slightly different tack? You just posted last week about cookie licking, which if you think about it... that perhaps applies to those big Ubuntu announcements last year for example. Perhaps could apply to this server thing -- we don't know yet. As I said, I frankly hope I am wrong. Anyway -- of course there may be business reasons for your forking. Happens. It's just that on the working with the existing project, the score isn't looking too good. I mean -- Aleksey subscribed to the xs-devel list, and his first message there was the opener of this thread. Classic. Based on Aleksey's past history of making good technical decisions, producing good implementations based on his designs, and his ability to work effectively with the existing community, I believe that what he produces will be a net gain for the Sugar/olpc ecosystem. As such, AC has given him the freedom to spend the next 6 months working on the server project. The technical decisions of how Aleksey solves the problem are separate from the business decisions of where Activity Central allocates its developer resources david ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [Dextrose] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Server project initiation announce
-Original Message- From: dextrose-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:dextrose- boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Martin Langhoff Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 1:09 PM To: Aleksey Lim Cc: server-devel@lists.laptop.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; olpc- a...@lists.laptop.org; dextr...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Dextrose] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Server project initiation announce On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@activitycentral.org wrote: In fact, the project started three weeks ago but for now some of its core purposes became more clear, i.e., ready for announcing. You guys are *weird*. And you fork after a long track record of promises -- in private and in public - - of working on the XS. Promises that were never followed up -- plenty of cookie licking if you want. Did anything ever happen with the plans announced at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sugarteam/2010- October/002451.html You are 100% correct in these criticisms and concerns about Activity Central. We are a new company working in a new market. Failures and mistakes are inevitable. If you have been hurt by those mistakes, I apologize and accept full responsibility for them. As a company and as a member of the ecosystem we are going to make mistakes. In a proprietary company these failures happen safely behind closed doors in the RD department. In a company that participates openly in an community project these failures will happen publicly -- often painfully so. That is just the nature of the business. There is a very good chance that for each Dextrose there will be 10 Ubuntu Sugar Remixes. david ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [Dextrose] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Server project initiation announce
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:44 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: You are 100% correct in these criticisms and concerns about Activity Central. We are a new company working in a new market. Failures and mistakes are inevitable. If you have been hurt by those mistakes, I apologize and accept full responsibility for them. Hi David! Look -- thanks for being so frank and open. Past it the past, and I've made mistakes aplenty myself. What I was trying to say was: you seem to be doing the same thing again. Like now. I mean -- today. How 'bout taking a slightly different tack? You just posted last week about cookie licking, which if you think about it... that perhaps applies to those big Ubuntu announcements last year for example. Perhaps could apply to this server thing -- we don't know yet. As I said, I frankly hope I am wrong. Anyway -- of course there may be business reasons for your forking. Happens. It's just that on the working with the existing project, the score isn't looking too good. I mean -- Aleksey subscribed to the xs-devel list, and his first message there was the opener of this thread. Classic. m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with big announcements - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
