Re: [Server-devel] Reschedule XS meeting for Friday Aug 15 - or 10 PM Aug 14 EST ---- was (Re: not up for Friday meeting about the XS)
great see you guys tomorrow! On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 18:30 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: So, we are all set. In about 18hs we'll be having another meeting. The wikipage with the info is here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Conf_08_AUG_07_Meeting I've put there a draft agenda from Bryan (feel free to add/correct!) and myself. cheers, m -- Bryan W. Berry Systems Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Reschedule XS meeting for Friday Aug 15 - or 10 PM Aug 14 EST ---- was (Re: not up for Friday meeting about the XS)
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: feeling better now, antibiotics really work :) Great news. Please let me draw up a base agenda - I do want to outline where we stand with the XS and what the plans challenges and timeframes going forward are. I see the key purpose of this meeting is to let you folks what additional functionality we are working on for Nepal's XS If we are having a regular XS meeting, I also have to consider what we are doing targetting all our other deployments, some of them with thousands of servers :-) and to make sure that our additions don't conflict w/ future changes to the underlying XS. That's a tricky one. What you guys are doing is not particularly recommended unless you have just a small number of server plus deep linux expertise on tap long term. I've been trying to give David sensible advise around what things to avoid... Here is the additional stuff we are looking to build into the XS over the next 6 months: 1) Customized Nepali version of Moodle 2) Mail server using Squirrel Mail* 3) Setting up a local version of Nepal's E-Library on the XS, a copy of Nepal's current E-Library http://pustakalaya.olenepal.org which uses the open-source fedora-commons repository software. 4) and more stuff that I can't remember at the moment. 5) Connecting schools through ejabberd I'll be very interested in 1, 3 and 5, wanting to see how we can make those efforts reusable elsewhere :-) -- WRT 3 one thing that would be great is an exporter from the fedora repo to a static representation, or to something we can search serve easily, so we don't have to carry the fedora sw itself on the XS. I've worked a bit with it, and while usually the repos hosted in it have content that is _gold_, I don't think the sw itself adds any value on the XS. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Reschedule XS meeting for Friday Aug 15 - or 10 PM Aug 14 EST ---- was (Re: not up for Friday meeting about the XS)
On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 18:52 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: If we are having a regular XS meeting, I also have to consider what we are doing targetting all our other deployments, some of them with thousands of servers :-) Absolutely. We may be a small deployment but our work can benefit much larger deployments. I'll be very interested in 1, 3 and 5, wanting to see how we can make those efforts reusable elsewhere :-) -- I really hope so. WRT 3 one thing that would be great is an exporter from the fedora repo to a static representation, or to something we can search serve easily, so we don't have to carry the fedora sw itself on the XS. I've worked a bit with it, and while usually the repos hosted in it have content that is _gold_, I don't think the sw itself adds any value on the XS. The great thing about the fedora-commons software is the search functionality. Could we actually use search on a static representation of the fedora-commons repository? Ultimately, we want to put a lot of Nepali art and music on the XS. A searchable repository will be key to accessing those resources. In case David hasn't explained earlier, here is why hosting a mail server on the XS is important to us. The teachers aren't using their XO's as much as we would like them too. We are looking for applications that will appeal directly to them and compel them to use their XO's more frequently. We think e-mail is one such application. The Internet connection to our schools is not very reliable and we can only afford 64K per school due to our budget constraints and the high cost of Internet access in Nepal. E-mail is much better suited to this low-bandwidth environment. While it may not be right for every OLPC deployment, it's a good choice for us in Nepal. -- Bryan W. Berry Systems Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Reschedule XS meeting for Friday Aug 15 - or 10 PM Aug 14 EST ---- was (Re: not up for Friday meeting about the XS)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 18:52 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: If we are having a regular XS meeting, I also have to consider what we are doing targetting all our other deployments, some of them with thousands of servers :-) Absolutely. We may be a small deployment but our work can benefit much larger deployments. Small deployment *and* your expert hands at work. Fantastic WRT 3 one thing that would be great is an exporter from the fedora repo to a static representation, or to something we can search serve easily, so we don't have to carry the fedora sw itself on the XS. I've worked a bit with it, and while usually the repos hosted in it have content that is _gold_, I don't think the sw itself adds any value on the XS. The great thing about the fedora-commons software is the search functionality. Could we actually use search on a static representation of the fedora-commons repository? Well, that's exactly my thought. If we can get a static export from it, I'm sure we can feed it into a lightweight search system. Bringing in all the dependencies for Fedora, and agreeing to the memory and cpu footprint is not in my list of things to do. The teachers aren't using their XO's as much as we would like them too. We are looking for applications that will appeal directly to them and compel them to use their XO's more frequently. We think e-mail is one such application. It's a reasonable thing to want, I was worried about kids + email. Doing it without future upgrade conflicts on the XS will be a bit of a challenge. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
[Server-devel] Reschedule XS meeting for Friday Aug 15 - or 10 PM Aug 14 EST ---- was (Re: not up for Friday meeting about the XS)
feeling better now, antibiotics really work :) How about same time this upcoming Friday? Will work on an agenda w/ David on Monday. I see the key purpose of this meeting is to let you folks what additional functionality we are working on for Nepal's XS and to make sure that our additions don't conflict w/ future changes to the underlying XS. Here is the additional stuff we are looking to build into the XS over the next 6 months: 1) Customized Nepali version of Moodle 2) Mail server using Squirrel Mail* 3) Setting up a local version of Nepal's E-Library on the XS, a copy of Nepal's current E-Library http://pustakalaya.olenepal.org which uses the open-source fedora-commons repository software. 4) and more stuff that I can't remember at the moment. 5) Connecting schools through ejabberd * Some of these changes are targeted more at the teachers than the kids. We are concerned that the teachers are using the XO's much less than the kids and thus less familiar w/ them. We think e-mail is a relatively easy way to get them to use the XO to the amount of effort to get it running consistently. VoIP would be more effective but would require much more effort. On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 20:01 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 08:48 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm OK with reschedule. How about next week at the same time? Hope you feel better soon. Same here. Postpone 7 days? Can Jim make it too next week? I think so. - Jim -- Bryan W. Berry Systems Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Reschedule XS meeting for Friday Aug 15 - or 10 PM Aug 14 EST ---- was (Re: not up for Friday meeting about the XS)
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 12:11:56PM +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: VoIP would be more effective but would require much more effort. Fedora recently set up its own VOIP system, so there may be experts lurking nearby who could be tempted into assisting you. Michael ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel I'm no VoIP expert, but I played with it for a bit on different distros. Trixbox (http://www.trixbox.org/) is CentOS based and is very featureful. On the other hand, Astlinux (http://www.astlinux.org/) is very interesting in that it has a very small footprint. Astlinux runs off a CF card (64MB if I remember correctly). You can also run it off a bootable CD. All the config is browser-based, and all the config files live on a separate USB key (or any other partition). I suspect we will need something in between. Also along the lines of VoIP clients, I've been looking at IAX2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Asterisk_eXchange) clients instead of SIP. iaxcomm (http://iaxclient.sourceforge.net/iaxcomm/) is a simple IAX2 client. On Ubuntu its current, but I haven't found any active RPMs. IAX routes quite nicely as compared to SIP. I'd be interested in seeing a sugarized iaxcomm on the XO. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Reschedule XS meeting for Friday Aug 15 - or 10 PM Aug 14 EST ---- was (Re: not up for Friday meeting about the XS)
thanks Michael, After we get our top priorities working consistently I will definitely take a closer look at voip and try to look up the folks at fedora. On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 10:47 -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 12:11:56PM +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: VoIP would be more effective but would require much more effort. Fedora recently set up its own VOIP system, so there may be experts lurking nearby who could be tempted into assisting you. Michael -- Bryan W. Berry Systems Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
