Re: [Server-devel] XS procurement recommendations (new hardware - Nosy Komba, Madagascar)
On Apr 18, 2012, at 12:11 PM, John Watlington wrote: Just a quick reminder that we have XO-1.75 production units available for people who want to work on XS on ARM. Just fill out the form at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors_program/Project_proposal_form and list XS on ARM XO as the project. If you have any problems getting one this way, drop me a note. I had applied for one for just this purpose back in mid February and only got an automated RT email and nothing else. I will send you a separate email with the RT id. Cheers, wad On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:52 PM, George Hunt wrote: Hi Kevin, As far as I can tell, the system programmers in Boston are very occupied with getting 1.75 and 3.0 out the door. I think there's interest in seeing an ARM XS, but not immediately, with the resources available to them. There's a volunteer in San Francisco, who's email is rihoward, who has played with a number of ARM boxes. He's already given me some really useful advice. I don't have the background to be very productive in getting the XS onto ARM, but to me it seems strategic. I am spending a few hours every day, trying to learn about cross compiling fc17 onto the ARM arch. But I'm no expert. Maybe we could join forces. As I go along, one of my goals it to document the steps at schoolserver.wordpress.com. George On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Mitchell Seaton msea...@ekindling.org wrote: I might sum up here from recent additions (replies) on this mailing list regarding current low-power server options (x86/32bit) for XS: 1) FitPC2i - Dual Ethernet, fanless, poss heat-issue (heat sink), PhoenixBIOS (no Wake-on-LAN), 12W draw (poss ~5W idle) http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/ 2) SolidLogic - (VIA C7, 25W draw) current sys in use not available for purchase, EU options in links below http://www.logicsupply.eu/systems/intel-atom/ http://www.logicsupply.eu/systems/fanless/ deployment sites: Jamaica 3) MSi WindBox - '10 Atom D510, 4GB DDR2 - ~35W, drawback single Ethernet NIC (USB WiFi adapter) http://fr.msi.com/models/Wind%20Box%20DC500 deployment sites: Nepal, Haiti, Philippines 4) EPC-AT270 - Dual Ethernet (Wake on LAN), fanless, drawback '08 model Atom N270 (2GB DDR2) - http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/EPC-AT270.cfm deployment sites: PNG, Oceania? These solutions generally haven't changed in the last two years, in Q2, 2012 now these are the current stable options for low-power x86? If that's the reality, I assume we can make a decision around these options, taking site specific considerations into account, and plan for possible involvement (replacement) down the line (1-2+ years) with any future server development for ARM/plug/etc and what suitable working model is devised around it. Regards, Mitch Hi there, I am new in this list but involved in OLPC-France. Could someone point me to the XS ARM port status? I don't know yet what software the XS is composed of, but since I have the Alex's dreamplug here in Paris I could try to move things forward. (Won't probably make it before May but costs nothing to read about it). I also have a FitPC(2?), but the power supply is lost somewhere in my bedroom… Yeah, it is way too hot IMHO -- Kévin Raymond (shaiton) GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2 ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] XS procurement recommendations (new hardware - Nosy Komba, Madagascar)
Just a quick reminder that we have XO-1.75 production units available for people who want to work on XS on ARM. Just fill out the form at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors_program/Project_proposal_form and list XS on ARM XO as the project. If you have any problems getting one this way, drop me a note. Cheers, wad On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:52 PM, George Hunt wrote: Hi Kevin, As far as I can tell, the system programmers in Boston are very occupied with getting 1.75 and 3.0 out the door. I think there's interest in seeing an ARM XS, but not immediately, with the resources available to them. There's a volunteer in San Francisco, who's email is rihoward, who has played with a number of ARM boxes. He's already given me some really useful advice. I don't have the background to be very productive in getting the XS onto ARM, but to me it seems strategic. I am spending a few hours every day, trying to learn about cross compiling fc17 onto the ARM arch. But I'm no expert. Maybe we could join forces. As I go along, one of my goals it to document the steps at schoolserver.wordpress.com. George On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Mitchell Seaton msea...@ekindling.org wrote: I might sum up here from recent additions (replies) on this mailing list regarding current low-power server options (x86/32bit) for XS: 1) FitPC2i - Dual Ethernet, fanless, poss heat-issue (heat sink), PhoenixBIOS (no Wake-on-LAN), 12W draw (poss ~5W idle) http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/ 2) SolidLogic - (VIA C7, 25W draw) current sys in use not available for purchase, EU options in links below http://www.logicsupply.eu/systems/intel-atom/ http://www.logicsupply.eu/systems/fanless/ deployment sites: Jamaica 3) MSi WindBox - '10 Atom D510, 4GB DDR2 - ~35W, drawback single Ethernet NIC (USB WiFi adapter) http://fr.msi.com/models/Wind%20Box%20DC500 deployment sites: Nepal, Haiti, Philippines 4) EPC-AT270 - Dual Ethernet (Wake on LAN), fanless, drawback '08 model Atom N270 (2GB DDR2) - http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/EPC-AT270.cfm deployment sites: PNG, Oceania? These solutions generally haven't changed in the last two years, in Q2, 2012 now these are the current stable options for low-power x86? If that's the reality, I assume we can make a decision around these options, taking site specific considerations into account, and plan for possible involvement (replacement) down the line (1-2+ years) with any future server development for ARM/plug/etc and what suitable working model is devised around it. Regards, Mitch Hi there, I am new in this list but involved in OLPC-France. Could someone point me to the XS ARM port status? I don't know yet what software the XS is composed of, but since I have the Alex's dreamplug here in Paris I could try to move things forward. (Won't probably make it before May but costs nothing to read about it). I also have a FitPC(2?), but the power supply is lost somewhere in my bedroom… Yeah, it is way too hot IMHO -- Kévin Raymond (shaiton) GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2 ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] XS procurement recommendations (new hardware - Nosy Komba, Madagascar)
I might sum up here from recent additions (replies) on this mailing list regarding current low-power server options (x86/32bit) for XS: 1) FitPC2i - Dual Ethernet, fanless, poss heat-issue (heat sink), PhoenixBIOS (no Wake-on-LAN), 12W draw (poss ~5W idle) http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/ 2) SolidLogic - (VIA C7, 25W draw) current sys in use not available for purchase, EU options in links below http://www.logicsupply.eu/systems/intel-atom/ http://www.logicsupply.eu/systems/fanless/ deployment sites: Jamaica 3) MSi WindBox - '10 Atom D510, 4GB DDR2 - ~35W, drawback single Ethernet NIC (USB WiFi adapter) http://fr.msi.com/models/Wind%20Box%20DC500 deployment sites: Nepal, Haiti, Philippines 4) EPC-AT270 - Dual Ethernet (Wake on LAN), fanless, drawback '08 model Atom N270 (2GB DDR2) - http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/EPC-AT270.cfm deployment sites: PNG, Oceania? These solutions generally haven't changed in the last two years, in Q2, 2012 now these are the current stable options for low-power x86? If that's the reality, I assume we can make a decision around these options, taking site specific considerations into account, and plan for possible involvement (replacement) down the line (1-2+ years) with any future server development for ARM/plug/etc and what suitable working model is devised around it. Regards, Mitch On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:07 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: I like the Fitpc2i, which has two ethernet ports. I recently purchased one and would be happy to do whatever testing makes sense. (haven't yet purchased the sata drive though). I can atest to the 5 watts, idle. The blurb that came with it says it's capable of 2 watts standby, but we'd need to see if it can do wake on lan. George On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Mitchell Seaton msea...@ekindling.org wrote: Dear all XS Server devel's, The OLPC France team is looking to provide a new XS server machine for their deployment in Nosy Komba. The current XS is not functional due to a current failed disk (cause to be discovered). Myself, and Adam Holt are planning work with Xavier (OLPC France), to help support the installation and final configuration of this new machine during June this year. We thought it's important to consult the community here ahead of this purchase decision. Firstly, we'd like to seek some clear hardware suggestion(s) for a potential new XS. Solar/batteries are current powering method at the deployment site. XO volume to be currently supported is 160, and should allow room for additional deployments. I believe, the investment should be positioned for min. 5yrs lifespan, and to cope in local heat, humidity, salt, dust, conditions. We're aware of some hardware that has been working in the field - I've particular noted MSi (WindBox) machine has been working successfully in Nepal, Haiti and Philippines (George's donation). This is also a follow-up, in some ways, on George's previous thread although more for deployment than testing/dev. We're not looking at any XO-1.5/XO-1.75 for form-factor, or ARM as a platform (know this will come and be more stable in future releases to come). Low-power is a priority, this will help conserve more power supply for XO charging. I assume we are still looking at 32-bit x86 arch and potentially preferring Atom processors (unless otherwise advised). Any current models in the marketplace for recommendation? Purchase of requirement machine looks to be possible from France/EU for deliver to Madagascar by the deployment/volunteer team (end of May). It's crucial to identify the hardware choice relatively soon (during next month period). The machine will likely be pre-configured by Xavier prior to deliver. Look forward to your comments here. -- Mitchell Seaton eKindling Technology Support msea...@ekindling.org www.ekindling.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel We use a SolidLogic box (OLPCorps box) in Jamaica at both locations. Its no longer sold (not sure why?) but uses a VIA C7 processor and is fanless. Draws 25W at the AC end of the power brick (DC 19V). Here's a list of what they offer. http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/fanless_systems A FitPC2 should work as well. It pulls 15W at the AC end of the power brick (DC 12V). The only concern I had with a FitPC2 was the heat. They do sell an after market heat sink that helps. If you wall-mount the box, you could fashion a chimney on the heatsink to create a continuous draft of air (hot air rises and will create an air column that pulls in cool air from the outside) to pull the heat away from the sink. We tested a FitPC2 (See appendix
Re: [Server-devel] XS procurement recommendations (new hardware - Nosy Komba, Madagascar)
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Mitchell Seaton msea...@ekindling.org wrote: I might sum up here from recent additions (replies) on this mailing list regarding current low-power server options (x86/32bit) for XS: 1) FitPC2i - Dual Ethernet, fanless, poss heat-issue (heat sink), PhoenixBIOS (no Wake-on-LAN), 12W draw (poss ~5W idle) http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/ 2) SolidLogic - (VIA C7, 25W draw) current sys in use not available for purchase, EU options in links below http://www.logicsupply.eu/systems/intel-atom/ http://www.logicsupply.eu/systems/fanless/ deployment sites: Jamaica 3) MSi WindBox - '10 Atom D510, 4GB DDR2 - ~35W, drawback single Ethernet NIC (USB WiFi adapter) http://fr.msi.com/models/Wind%20Box%20DC500 deployment sites: Nepal, Haiti, Philippines 4) EPC-AT270 - Dual Ethernet (Wake on LAN), fanless, drawback '08 model Atom N270 (2GB DDR2) - http://www.avalue.com.tw/products/EPC-AT270.cfm deployment sites: PNG, Oceania? These solutions generally haven't changed in the last two years, in Q2, 2012 now these are the current stable options for low-power x86? If that's the reality, I assume we can make a decision around these options, taking site specific considerations into account, and plan for possible involvement (replacement) down the line (1-2+ years) with any future server development for ARM/plug/etc and what suitable working model is devised around it. Regards, Mitch Hi there, I am new in this list but involved in OLPC-France. Could someone point me to the XS ARM port status? I don't know yet what software the XS is composed of, but since I have the Alex's dreamplug here in Paris I could try to move things forward. (Won't probably make it before May but costs nothing to read about it). I also have a FitPC(2?), but the power supply is lost somewhere in my bedroom… Yeah, it is way too hot IMHO -- Kévin Raymond (shaiton) GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2 ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
[Server-devel] XS procurement recommendations (new hardware - Nosy Komba, Madagascar)
Dear all XS Server devel's, The OLPC France http://www.olpcfrance.org/ team is looking to provide a new XS server machine for their deployment in Nosy Kombahttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/Nosy_Komba. The current XS is not functional due to a current failed disk (cause to be discovered). Myself, and Adam Holt are planning work with Xavier (OLPC France), to help support the installation and final configuration of this new machine during June this year. We thought it's important to consult the community here ahead of this purchase decision. Firstly, we'd like to seek some clear hardware suggestion(s) for a potential new XS. Solar/batteries are current powering method at the deployment site. XO volume to be currently supported is 160, and should allow room for additional deployments. I believe, the investment should be positioned for min. 5yrs lifespan, and to cope in local heat, humidity, salt, dust, conditions. We're aware of some hardware that has been working in the field - I've particular noted MSi (WindBox) machine has been working successfully in Nepal, Haiti and Philippines (George's donation). This is also a follow-up, in some ways, on George's previous thread although more for deployment than testing/dev. We're not looking at any XO-1.5/XO-1.75 for form-factor, or ARM as a platform (know this will come and be more stable in future releases to come). Low-power is a priority, this will help conserve more power supply for XO charging. I assume we are still looking at 32-bit x86 arch and potentially preferring Atom processors (unless otherwise advised). Any current models in the marketplace for recommendation? Purchase of requirement machine looks to be possible from France/EU for deliver to Madagascar by the deployment/volunteer team (end of May). It's crucial to identify the hardware choice relatively soon (during next month period). The machine will likely be pre-configured by Xavier prior to deliver. Look forward to your comments here. -- Mitchell Seaton eKindling Technology Support msea...@ekindling.org www.ekindling.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] XS procurement recommendations (new hardware - Nosy Komba, Madagascar)
Correction on that OLPC France link: http://olpc-france.org/ my bad. On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Mitchell Seaton msea...@ekindling.orgwrote: Dear all XS Server devel's, The OLPC France http://www.olpcfrance.org/ team is looking to provide a new XS server machine for their deployment in Nosy Kombahttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/Nosy_Komba. The current XS is not functional due to a current failed disk (cause to be discovered). Myself, and Adam Holt are planning work with Xavier (OLPC France), to help support the installation and final configuration of this new machine during June this year. We thought it's important to consult the community here ahead of this purchase decision. Firstly, we'd like to seek some clear hardware suggestion(s) for a potential new XS. Solar/batteries are current powering method at the deployment site. XO volume to be currently supported is 160, and should allow room for additional deployments. I believe, the investment should be positioned for min. 5yrs lifespan, and to cope in local heat, humidity, salt, dust, conditions. We're aware of some hardware that has been working in the field - I've particular noted MSi (WindBox) machine has been working successfully in Nepal, Haiti and Philippines (George's donation). This is also a follow-up, in some ways, on George's previous thread although more for deployment than testing/dev. We're not looking at any XO-1.5/XO-1.75 for form-factor, or ARM as a platform (know this will come and be more stable in future releases to come). Low-power is a priority, this will help conserve more power supply for XO charging. I assume we are still looking at 32-bit x86 arch and potentially preferring Atom processors (unless otherwise advised). Any current models in the marketplace for recommendation? Purchase of requirement machine looks to be possible from France/EU for deliver to Madagascar by the deployment/volunteer team (end of May). It's crucial to identify the hardware choice relatively soon (during next month period). The machine will likely be pre-configured by Xavier prior to deliver. Look forward to your comments here. -- Mitchell Seaton eKindling Technology Support msea...@ekindling.org www.ekindling.org -- Mitchell Seaton eKindling Technology Support msea...@ekindling.org www.ekindling.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] XS procurement recommendations (new hardware - Nosy Komba, Madagascar)
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Mitchell Seaton msea...@ekindling.org wrote: Dear all XS Server devel's, The OLPC France team is looking to provide a new XS server machine for their deployment in Nosy Komba. The current XS is not functional due to a current failed disk (cause to be discovered). Myself, and Adam Holt are planning work with Xavier (OLPC France), to help support the installation and final configuration of this new machine during June this year. We thought it's important to consult the community here ahead of this purchase decision. Firstly, we'd like to seek some clear hardware suggestion(s) for a potential new XS. Solar/batteries are current powering method at the deployment site. XO volume to be currently supported is 160, and should allow room for additional deployments. I believe, the investment should be positioned for min. 5yrs lifespan, and to cope in local heat, humidity, salt, dust, conditions. We're aware of some hardware that has been working in the field - I've particular noted MSi (WindBox) machine has been working successfully in Nepal, Haiti and Philippines (George's donation). This is also a follow-up, in some ways, on George's previous thread although more for deployment than testing/dev. We're not looking at any XO-1.5/XO-1.75 for form-factor, or ARM as a platform (know this will come and be more stable in future releases to come). Low-power is a priority, this will help conserve more power supply for XO charging. I assume we are still looking at 32-bit x86 arch and potentially preferring Atom processors (unless otherwise advised). Any current models in the marketplace for recommendation? Purchase of requirement machine looks to be possible from France/EU for deliver to Madagascar by the deployment/volunteer team (end of May). It's crucial to identify the hardware choice relatively soon (during next month period). The machine will likely be pre-configured by Xavier prior to deliver. Look forward to your comments here. -- Mitchell Seaton eKindling Technology Support msea...@ekindling.org www.ekindling.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel We use a SolidLogic box (OLPCorps box) in Jamaica at both locations. Its no longer sold (not sure why?) but uses a VIA C7 processor and is fanless. Draws 25W at the AC end of the power brick (DC 19V). Here's a list of what they offer. http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/fanless_systems A FitPC2 should work as well. It pulls 15W at the AC end of the power brick (DC 12V). The only concern I had with a FitPC2 was the heat. They do sell an after market heat sink that helps. If you wall-mount the box, you could fashion a chimney on the heatsink to create a continuous draft of air (hot air rises and will create an air column that pulls in cool air from the outside) to pull the heat away from the sink. We tested a FitPC2 (See appendix http://wiki.laptop.org/images/4/46/Testing_the_OLPC_School_Server_Benjamin_Tran_SFSU.pdf) and while the tests were aggressive (all 160 XOs will hit the server in 60 seconds!), the FitPC2 should be ok. http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2-models/ http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/accessories/ cheers, Sameer -- Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Professor, Information Systems San Francisco State University http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://commons.sfsu.edu/ http://olpcsf.org/ http://olpcjamaica.org.jm/ ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] XS procurement recommendations (new hardware - Nosy Komba, Madagascar)
I like the Fitpc2i, which has two ethernet ports. I recently purchased one and would be happy to do whatever testing makes sense. (haven't yet purchased the sata drive though). I can atest to the 5 watts, idle. The blurb that came with it says it's capable of 2 watts standby, but we'd need to see if it can do wake on lan. George On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Mitchell Seaton msea...@ekindling.org wrote: Dear all XS Server devel's, The OLPC France team is looking to provide a new XS server machine for their deployment in Nosy Komba. The current XS is not functional due to a current failed disk (cause to be discovered). Myself, and Adam Holt are planning work with Xavier (OLPC France), to help support the installation and final configuration of this new machine during June this year. We thought it's important to consult the community here ahead of this purchase decision. Firstly, we'd like to seek some clear hardware suggestion(s) for a potential new XS. Solar/batteries are current powering method at the deployment site. XO volume to be currently supported is 160, and should allow room for additional deployments. I believe, the investment should be positioned for min. 5yrs lifespan, and to cope in local heat, humidity, salt, dust, conditions. We're aware of some hardware that has been working in the field - I've particular noted MSi (WindBox) machine has been working successfully in Nepal, Haiti and Philippines (George's donation). This is also a follow-up, in some ways, on George's previous thread although more for deployment than testing/dev. We're not looking at any XO-1.5/XO-1.75 for form-factor, or ARM as a platform (know this will come and be more stable in future releases to come). Low-power is a priority, this will help conserve more power supply for XO charging. I assume we are still looking at 32-bit x86 arch and potentially preferring Atom processors (unless otherwise advised). Any current models in the marketplace for recommendation? Purchase of requirement machine looks to be possible from France/EU for deliver to Madagascar by the deployment/volunteer team (end of May). It's crucial to identify the hardware choice relatively soon (during next month period). The machine will likely be pre-configured by Xavier prior to deliver. Look forward to your comments here. -- Mitchell Seaton eKindling Technology Support msea...@ekindling.org www.ekindling.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel We use a SolidLogic box (OLPCorps box) in Jamaica at both locations. Its no longer sold (not sure why?) but uses a VIA C7 processor and is fanless. Draws 25W at the AC end of the power brick (DC 19V). Here's a list of what they offer. http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/fanless_systems A FitPC2 should work as well. It pulls 15W at the AC end of the power brick (DC 12V). The only concern I had with a FitPC2 was the heat. They do sell an after market heat sink that helps. If you wall-mount the box, you could fashion a chimney on the heatsink to create a continuous draft of air (hot air rises and will create an air column that pulls in cool air from the outside) to pull the heat away from the sink. We tested a FitPC2 (See appendix http://wiki.laptop.org/images/4/46/Testing_the_OLPC_School_Server_Benjamin_Tran_SFSU.pdf ) and while the tests were aggressive (all 160 XOs will hit the server in 60 seconds!), the FitPC2 should be ok. http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2-models/ http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/accessories/ cheers, Sameer -- Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Professor, Information Systems San Francisco State University http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://commons.sfsu.edu/ http://olpcsf.org/ http://olpcjamaica.org.jm/ ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
