Re: [Server-devel] [Sugar-devel] Gadget on XS

2009-04-01 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mercredi 01 avril 2009 à 14:14 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
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 On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:50:52AM +0100, Guillaume Desmottes wrote:
 Le mercredi 01 avril 2009 à 12:45 +0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit :
  On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Guillaume Desmottes
   Basically you have to install the gadget service, launch it (it's a 
   separated process), modify your ejabberd.cfg as explained in the 
   Gadget README and then restart your ejabberd.
  
  I suspect he's done that already...
  
   You can see if Gadget is working by looking at the XMPP traffic 
   exchanged between clients and the server.
  
  And as an end-user, what things work better / differently?
 
 If you're using a recent Sugar it should request a view containing 
 random activities and buddies. So you should see people/activities in 
 your roster even if the shared roster is not configured.
 
  As an
  end-user-administrator, does it expose any info, stats, knobs, etc?
 
 You can redirect Gadget log to a file. The Debian package write logs
 to /var/log/gadget.log iirc; don't know for the RPM.
 
 What Debian package? Gadget does not seem to be in Debian Sid. I'd be 
 happy to help maintain it officially for Debian if there is already a 
 Gadget package floating around unofficially.

See http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/gadget/log/?h=debian


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Re: [Server-devel] [Sugar-devel] Gadget on XS

2009-04-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:18:37AM -0500, David Farning wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 03:22:12PM +0100, Guillaume Desmottes wrote:
Le mercredi 01 avril 2009 à 14:14 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
 On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:50:52AM +0100, Guillaume Desmottes 
 wrote:
 The Debian package write logs to /var/log/gadget.log iirc;

 What Debian package? Gadget does not seem to be in Debian Sid. I'd 
 be happy to help maintain it officially for Debian if there is 
 already a Gadget package floating around unofficially.

See http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/gadget/log/?h=debian

 Above URL does not clarify if it is in Debian officially.

 If my questions are too silly to respond to with human words (as 
 opposed to just URLs), then I shall not bother you anymore with them.

Please try to stay polite.

Hi Guillaume (and everyone else),

Sorry for being rude.

You mention a Debian package, and I wonder:

  1. Is it a Debian package of Gadget, ejabberd or something else?

  2. If it is a Gadget package, is it targeted for Debian officially?

  3. If yes, are you interested in help maintaining such package?

  4. If no, are you interested in helping maintain it officially?


Your brief response above seems to indicate that indeed it is a Gadget 
package.

I am still interested in clarification about questions 2, 3 and 4.

If you answer with a URL, then I would appreciate that you also write 
some human words too, as I believe (contrary to David, possibly) that it 
can help avoid misunderstandings.


Kind regards,

  - Jonas

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Re: [Server-devel] [Sugar-devel] Gadget on XS

2009-04-01 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mercredi 01 avril 2009 à 17:37 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
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 On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:18:37AM -0500, David Farning wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 03:22:12PM +0100, Guillaume Desmottes wrote:
 Le mercredi 01 avril 2009 à 14:14 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
  On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:50:52AM +0100, Guillaume Desmottes 
  wrote:
  The Debian package write logs to /var/log/gadget.log iirc;
 
  What Debian package? Gadget does not seem to be in Debian Sid. I'd 
  be happy to help maintain it officially for Debian if there is 
  already a Gadget package floating around unofficially.
 
 See http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/gadget/log/?h=debian
 
  Above URL does not clarify if it is in Debian officially.
 
  If my questions are too silly to respond to with human words (as 
  opposed to just URLs), then I shall not bother you anymore with them.
 
 Please try to stay polite.
 
 Hi Guillaume (and everyone else),

Hi

(CCing Daf who is the author of this Debian package).

 Sorry for being rude.
 
 You mention a Debian package, and I wonder:
 
   1. Is it a Debian package of Gadget, ejabberd or something else?

The link I pasted you is a git branch of Gadget containing a 'debian'
directory used for the packaging.
These files are
http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/gadget/tree/debian?h=debian


   2. If it is a Gadget package, is it targeted for Debian officially?

It could but has not been proposed to Debian yet.

   3. If yes, are you interested in help maintaining such package?
 
   4. If no, are you interested in helping maintain it officially?

Sure. Any help is welcome.

 Your brief response above seems to indicate that indeed it is a Gadget 
 package.
 
 I am still interested in clarification about questions 2, 3 and 4.
 
 If you answer with a URL, then I would appreciate that you also write 
 some human words too, as I believe (contrary to David, possibly) that it 
 can help avoid misunderstandings.

Sorry, I was quite busy when I replied to your mail.

Hope it's clearer now.


G.


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Re: [Server-devel] [Sugar-devel] Gadget on XS

2009-04-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Guillaume Desmottes
guillaume.desmot...@collabora.co.uk wrote:
 (CCing Daf who is the author of this Debian package).

I suspect it's a small misunderstanding. It's a 'deb' package, (the
collabora team is very good in making sure their software is available
as .deb. and rpm) but not a 'Debian' package in the sense that it's
not in the  Debian archive.

That's all. Jonas, I am sure you've seen this situation before :-)

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Re: [Server-devel] [Sugar-devel] Gadget on XS

2009-04-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 04:49:33PM +0100, Guillaume Desmottes wrote:
Le mercredi 01 avril 2009 à 17:37 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :

   1. Is it a Debian package of Gadget, ejabberd or something else?

The link I pasted you is a git branch of Gadget containing a 'debian'
directory used for the packaging.
These files are
http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/gadget/tree/debian?h=debian


   2. If it is a Gadget package, is it targeted for Debian officially?

It could but has not been proposed to Debian yet.

   3. If yes, are you interested in help maintaining such package?
 
   4. If no, are you interested in helping maintain it officially?

Sure. Any help is welcome.

Ah, I see now that Dafydd is participating in that packaging, and that 
he is an active Debian maintainer already maintaining Telepathy and 
Farsight officially for Debian.

I suspect you have no need for my help here.  I would personally use a 
different packaging style (Wrap debhelper with CDBS and extend with more 
CDBS wrappers, host the packaging Git at Alioth collab-maint area to 
ease collaboration with other Debian developers, etc.).  But all that is 
really just nice to have, not need to have.  And such changes could 
demotivate Dafydd or others from collaborating - not everyone fancy same 
packaging styles.

If you are still interested in my help, then tell me! I will then 
happily repackage using CDBS at Alioth and release officially for 
Debian.  And I will help provide write access to that new Git to you and 
other non-Debian folks possibly interested in participating directly 
(Dafydd have write access already).

Else I will just lean back and wait for Dafydd to eventually release the 
package himself in his own pace officially to Debian.

(actually no, I will not just lean back: I will move on to other 
packages needing help - e.g. Abiword which I am working on at the 
moment, to get the Write activity to Debian)


Sorry, I was quite busy when I replied to your mail.

Ah, makes sense.


Hope it's clearer now.

I understand it now, yes. Thanks :-)


  - Jonas

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Re: [Server-devel] [Sugar-devel] Gadget on XS

2009-04-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 09:11:46PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Guillaume Desmottes
guillaume.desmot...@collabora.co.uk wrote:
 (CCing Daf who is the author of this Debian package).

I suspect it's a small misunderstanding. It's a 'deb' package, (the
collabora team is very good in making sure their software is available
as .deb. and rpm) but not a 'Debian' package in the sense that it's
not in the  Debian archive.

That's all. Jonas, I am sure you've seen this situation before :-)

No misunderstanding there: I understood Debian package as 
Debian-compatible package - which technically means a DPKG package that 
in its binary form has a .deb extension.

My questions was (partly) about whether or not that Debian package was 
targeted Debian officially or not.


  - Jonas


P.S.

It seems Dafydd was _not_ cc'ed this thread, despite the note about it.

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