Re: [SIESTA-L] Fwd: [SIESTA-L] net charge calculation

2007-04-23 Thread Oleksandr Voznyy
I cannot agree that observing the relative change in Mulliken charges instead of absolute values would be correct. I had experience that DZP showed transfer of charge from surface to molecule, while TZP showed the opposite (though the charge transfer itself was very smal - about 0.1e) Was

Re: [SIESTA-L] Fwd: [SIESTA-L] net charge calculation

2007-04-20 Thread Miguel Pruneda
Oleksandr Voznyy wrote: There is an implementation for Bader analysis which can be used with SIESTA: http://theory.cm.utexas.edu/bader/ Some minor additional coding is needed for SIESTA, I did it and can share. Though, it's very rough, since I discontinued to work with it since Bader analysis

Re: [SIESTA-L] Fwd: [SIESTA-L] net charge calculation

2007-04-20 Thread Oleksandr Voznyy
There is an implementation for Bader analysis which can be used with SIESTA: http://theory.cm.utexas.edu/bader/ Some minor additional coding is needed for SIESTA, I did it and can share. Though, it's very rough, since I discontinued to work with it since Bader analysis gave me very similar

Re: [SIESTA-L] Fwd: [SIESTA-L] net charge calculation

2007-04-19 Thread Andrei Postnikov
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Yurko Natanzon wrote: | Dear Adam Gali, Andrei Postnikov, | thank you for explanation. Actually, I'm not interested in particular | numbers, but want to observe changes in ionic charges of atoms, | neighboring to dopant and the dependence of such changes on a dopant |

Re: [SIESTA-L] net charge calculation

2007-04-19 Thread Yurko Natanzon
ok, there some papers which use Mulliken population with SIESTA. For example, this one: http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0008340 The authors say that differences (of net charges and BOP-s) are less sensitive to the choice of basis sets, so they can be meaningful. Can anybody confirm this? On

[SIESTA-L] Fwd: [SIESTA-L] net charge calculation

2007-04-19 Thread Yurko Natanzon
Dear Adam Gali, Andrei Postnikov, thank you for explanation. Actually, I'm not interested in particular numbers, but want to observe changes in ionic charges of atoms, neighboring to dopant and the dependence of such changes on a dopant concentration (comparabale to undoped system). Is it

Re: [SIESTA-L] net charge calculation

2007-04-19 Thread Adam Gali
Dear Yurko Natanzon, take care! Mulliken-charges could be meaningless by using diffusing orbitals. Draw the net charge density around the atoms (you can do it by SIESTA and utility programs provided with) and you can see that O is negatively polarized while Si is positively polarized

Re: [SIESTA-L] net charge calculation

2007-04-19 Thread Andrei Postnikov
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Yurko Natanzon wrote: | Well, this works for TiO2, but when I tried to do it with SiO2, I've got: | | then oxygen has positive ionic charge (6-5.987), and silicon has | negative (4-4.026). Does it make any sense?? Dear Yurko: they have no more sense than ionic charge in

Re: [SIESTA-L] net charge calculation

2007-04-19 Thread Yurko Natanzon
Well, this works for TiO2, but when I tried to do it with SiO2, I've got: mulliken: Atomic and Orbital Populations: Species: Si Atom Qatom Qorb 3s 3s 3py 3pz 3px 3py 3pz 3px 3Pdxy 3Pdyz 3Pdz2 3Pdxz 3Pdx2-y2 1 4.026 0.404

[SIESTA-L] net charge calculation

2007-04-19 Thread Yurko Natanzon
Dear SIESTers, I wonder how to calculate net ionic charge with SIESTA. For example, I have TiO2 anatase supercell with 12 atoms. Pseudopotential for Ti has valence electrons in 3s2 3p6 3d2 4s2 (12 electrons), O has 2s2 2p4 (6 electrons). Then i set WriteMullikenPop 2 and obtain 10.972 for each Ti