> On Aug 31, 2023, at 22:26, Noah <n...@neo.co.tz> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 31 Aug 2023, 07:29 Sanjeev Gupta, <sanj...@dcs1.biz > <mailto:sanj...@dcs1.biz>> wrote: >> >> >> > If the leasing of addresses is authorized, contrary to the original >> spirit of the policies and the very existence of the RIRs, the link >> between connectivity and addresses disappears, which also poses security >> problems, since, in the absence of connectivity, the resource holder who >> has received the license to use the addresses does not have immediate >> physical control to manage/filter them, which can cause damage to the >> entire community. >> >> Wait, so NIRs can no longer hand out addresses unless they provide >> connectivity? > > > Connectivity means addresses being put to proper use...
This is a new definition of the term that I’ve never seen anywhere and does not match the plain English meaning of the word. Can you please provide a written source for this definition? Most importantly, could you provide a reference for the definition of “proper use”? > >> I believe > > > So, you are not sure? I am certain… His belief is correct. > >> they assign/allocate IR without providing connectivity. > > > How and why would they do that? An NIR is a National Internet Registry (e.g. JPNIC). They act much like an RIR, which also assigns/allocates IR without providing connectivity. Any assignment or allocation which is revocable, especially when provided for a time period governed by the payment of a fee could be considered a lease. Therefore, arguably, RIRs and NIRs lease addresses without connectivity (by any standard English definition of the term connectivity). It gets a lot muddier if we adopt your definition of the term connectivity, but if we do that, then an entity leasing to an end user who actually uses the addresses for legitimate purpose is also perfectly fine and this policy’s stated intent would be turned completely on its head as the repeatedly stated intent from the policy authors is to prohibit leasing not associated with connectivity services. Of course, one could argue that connectivity services can be achieved by something as simple as a heavily prepended bop announcement in front of a GRE tunnel, but that’s a whole other argument. Owen
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