Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread ashok _
On Dec 10, 2007 8:39 AM, Gautam John wrote: I'm currently working with a non-profit and as part of our work we run ~400 libraries across Bangalore and many more across the state. We are hopeful, if we find sponsors, of putting a computer in each library both to manage the library and as a tool

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
One fat (comparatively fat at least) box running xp, and multiple thin clients running citrix winframe or similar. Or hell, wyse terminals running X windows. srs

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread Gautam John
Thank you, all, for the suggestions. As it stands, we will install one computer per library and if BSNL get their act together, each one will have an Internet connection. However, the latter is not a given. Amongst the suggestions, a common thread, barring Eugen, is ways and methods to 'secure'

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
Gautam John said the following on 10/12/2007 12:35: their act together, each one will have an Internet connection. However, the latter is not a given. ... suppose, freedom of choice would mean giving the end user the ability to use XP or Ubuntu. Though I'm not sure we have the resources to

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On 10-Dec-07, at 2:05 PM, Gautam John wrote: Amongst the suggestions, a common thread, barring Eugen, is ways and methods to 'secure' XP. Surely Ubuntu would be a better bet? I was rather hoping for arguments that I could use in favour of that. But, I suppose, freedom of choice would mean

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread Gautam John
On Dec 10, 2007 2:16 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If internet access is not a given, what are the computers going to be used for? Do you have any apps in mind? Edubuntu comes bundled with several apps - XP does not. Would that itself be a deciding factor? A primary

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
A primary purpose is to maintain a roster of books and track what's being read etc. Assuming internet access, we'd like to collate this data centrally. As an aside, we're currently looking for an open source library management package. The idea is also to load 'educational titles', thus far

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread Gautam John
On Dec 10, 2007 2:17 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the arguments against non-Windows setups? I'd say the choice between Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu would be a fair one. That it isn't Windows. Though I'd be happy if I could find a study that showed that it doesn't

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
Suresh Ramasubramanian said the following on 10/12/2007 12:52: data centrally. As an aside, we're currently looking for an open source library management package. Edubuntu + koha is just fine for that. Yes, but Koha's a pain to setup. I tried it some time ago and gave up. Ram

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 1:08 pm, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: By carrying that statement to its logical end, I'd say Hindus are not alone - the Muslims fear being dubbed hardcore radicals if they wear traditional Islamic attire, and the Christians fear being termed as proselytizing missionaries

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 1:10 pm, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote: I'm an atheist, sometimes militantly so, and I have several friends who are openly religiously Hindu. No one, to my knowledge, has ever suggested that they are right-wing Hindus. Your friends are lucky, because they would be dubbed

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Perhaps I am taking the analogy too far (but maybe I am not) but in India the criticism faced by a Hindu is practically the same whether he kills a Collective guilt? Well, I don't know. Nothing short of public apathy - and a latent hatred of muslims - would have made conditions ripe for

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread Gautam John
On Dec 10, 2007 2:37 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but Koha's a pain to setup. I tried it some time ago and gave up. What did you end up using?

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Valsa Williams
Congratulations ! I wish I was there. Cheers ! Valsa On Dec 9, 2007 8:34 PM, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first message on Silklist [1] was sent on 19 December 1997. Next Wednesday, it'll be 10 years since that happened. Many generations in internet time, or even in dog

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread ashok _
On Dec 10, 2007 12:07 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote: data centrally. As an aside, we're currently looking for an open source library management package. Edubuntu + koha is just fine for that. Yes, but Koha's a pain to setup. I tried it some time ago and gave up. Yeah, koha has a

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread Valsa Williams
An organisation called L2C2 in Kolkatta contributes and implements Koha. The lead person's name is Indranil Das Gupta email id : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gautam, do contact him. On Dec 10, 2007 3:11 PM, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 2:37 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
An organisation called L2C2 in Kolkatta contributes and implements Koha. The lead person's name is Indranil Das Gupta email id : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gautam, do contact him. Indranil is a good guy - I know him from his ilug-cal days srs

Re: [silk] Open Source Evangalism

2007-12-10 Thread Gautam John
On Dec 10, 2007 3:22 PM, Valsa Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An organisation called L2C2 in Kolkatta contributes and implements Koha. The lead person's name is Indranil Das Gupta email id : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gautam, do contact him. Thanks Valsa!

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread ashok _
On Dec 10, 2007 12:28 PM, shiv sastry wrote: A far larger percentage of Hindus and Christians in the West are likely to behave secular and deny religious belief than Muslims. Where do you get such information? i know very many expatriate / people-of- indian origin muslims / hindus who behave

[silk] FoU Camp V3 Pictures

2007-12-10 Thread Ramakrishna Reddy
Hey Silkers Moods and Dudes at the FoUCamp V3. These are a few pictures through my lens http://flickr.com/photos/ramkrsna/sets/72157603413659484/ My favorite picture is the Coconut and the Vodka. regards -- Ramakrishna Reddy GPG Key ID:31FF0090

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 3:06 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Nothing short of public apathy - and a latent hatred of muslims - would have made conditions ripe for someone like Modi. It is public ignorance rather than public apathy Do you know that it is easily possible to justify the massacre

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread Venky TV
On Dec 10, 2007 4:09 PM, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the the entire right wing are blamed for the latter, how is it wrong for the right wing to blame all Muslims for the former? Tit for tat group blame and group punishment after all. If you can blame the entire right wing, you

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 3:32 pm, ashok _ wrote: A far larger percentage of Hindus and Christians in the West are likely to behave secular and deny religious belief than Muslims. Where do you get such information?  i know very many expatriate / people-of- indian origin muslims / hindus who

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
I am not talking of private behavior. In public count the percentage of Hindu women wearing bindis or mangalsutras versus Muslim women wearing hijabs in say the UK. Er. Count the number of hindu women wearing a madisar 9 yard saree v/s the hejab.

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Deepa Mohan
On 12/9/07, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first message on Silklist [1] was sent on 19 December 1997. Next Wednesday, it'll be 10 years since that happened. Many generations in internet time, or even in dog years. Anybody wants to do a meetup where lots of beer is comsumed, and

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread ashok _
On Dec 10, 2007 2:55 PM, shiv sastry wrote: I am not talking of private behavior. In public count the percentage of Hindu women wearing bindis or mangalsutras versus Muslim women wearing hijabs in say the UK. how would such a count be attempted... ? You speak as if you already conducted such a

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 6:44 pm, ashok _ wrote: how would such a count be attempted... ? You speak as if you already conducted such a count er yes shiv

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 5:01 pm, Venky TV wrote: Not really.  By that line of reasoning, all right wing Muslims would need to blamed -- the ones who explicitly or implicitly support terrorism -- not all Muslims. Bingo!. If we split hairs this is spot on. So when did you last hear anyone blaming

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread shiv sastry
Wednesday is a bad day. Therefore it may be a good day to meet. I don't like beer but it will do if the place does not have conversation-killingly loud music. shiv On Sunday 09 Dec 2007 8:34 pm, Udhay Shankar N wrote: The first message on Silklist [1] was sent on 19 December 1997. Next

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Udhay Shankar N
shiv sastry wrote: [ on 06:59 PM 12/10/2007 ] Wednesday is a bad day. Therefore it may be a good day to meet. I don't like beer but it will do if the place does not have conversation-killingly loud music. How about your house? :-) Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com))

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread Venky TV
On Dec 10, 2007 6:55 PM, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So when did you last hear anyone blaming any Muslims, right wing or any wing for any bomb blasts? I only hear that terrorists have no religion but, on the other hand, Muslims get killed by right wing Hindus. I *have* encountered

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread ashok _
On Dec 10, 2007 4:21 PM, shiv sastry wrote: er yes shiv maybe you counted the same women twice or thrice over... since its hard to differentiate at a glance between two women wearing a hijab :)

Re: [silk] FoU Camp V3 Pictures

2007-12-10 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Ramakrishna Reddy wrote: [ on 04:08 PM 12/10/2007 ] Hey Silkers Moods and Dudes at the FoUCamp V3. These are a few pictures through my lens http://flickr.com/photos/ramkrsna/sets/72157603413659484/ My favorite picture is the Coconut and the Vodka. Yes, me too. What about Vinit /

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Bharath Chari
If we can shift the date to the 15th, it could be at my house. Penance for having sent the first message! Most likely won't be in town between the 17th and 24th. Bharath ps : Shiv, as I remember, is the reason the 1st message got numbered as the 3rd message. His computer clock was off. Udhay

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Bharath Chari wrote: [ on 07:32 PM 12/10/2007 ] If we can shift the date to the 15th, it could be at my house. Penance for having sent the first message! Most likely won't be in town between the 17th and 24th. I am not in town this weekend. So 15th is out for me. Can we have it on some

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Bharath Chari
I think I can manage to be in town on the 17th. That's Monday. Does it work for everyone? Bharath Udhay Shankar N wrote: Bharath Chari wrote: [ on 07:32 PM 12/10/2007 ] If we can shift the date to the 15th, it could be at my house. Penance for having sent the first message! Most likely

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On 10-Dec-07, at 7:22 PM, ashok _ wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 4:21 PM, shiv sastry wrote: er yes shiv maybe you counted the same women twice or thrice over... since its hard to differentiate at a glance between two women wearing a hijab :) Or counted Indian Christian women as Hindus without

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:20 pm, Venky TV wrote: I *have* encountered the phrase terrorists have no religion but definitely not as often as the term Islamic fundamentalists or Muslim extremists.  Most bomb blast reports in India routinely blame Muslim militants anyway[1][2]. Venky. [1]

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:18 pm, Udhay Shankar N wrote: how about your house? :-):-) My place is fine - but Thu being a working day for everyone at home we'll have to close up shop by 10-30 PM at the latest. Some beer will be needed, and no dinner is planned :) Will get chips and stuff. shiv

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:43 pm, Bharath Chari wrote: I think I can manage to be in town on the 17th. That's Monday. Does it work for everyone? Whoops - just saw this. 17th is no good because Shashi is planning something on 18th morning and I can't mess up her plans for the 18th Let's look at

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Udhay Shankar N
shiv sastry wrote: [ on 08:26 PM 12/10/2007 ] My place is fine - but Thu being a working day for everyone at home we'll have to close up shop by 10-30 PM at the latest. Some beer will be needed, and no dinner is planned :) Will get chips and stuff. Let's just do it on a weekend. 21st or

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Bharath Chari
Shiv, Come on - I am sure we will let you go back home before the 18th or thereabouts. This was planned at my place on the 17th :-) Bharath shiv sastry wrote: On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:43 pm, Bharath Chari wrote: I think I can manage to be in town on the 17th. That's Monday. Does it work for

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Bharath Chari
Nope. Definitely not in town on 21st and 22nd. Bharath Udhay Shankar N wrote: shiv sastry wrote: [ on 08:26 PM 12/10/2007 ] My place is fine - but Thu being a working day for everyone at home we'll have to close up shop by 10-30 PM at the latest. Some beer will be needed, and no dinner

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Josey John
Hey: I'm one of the editors with Mint, a financial newspaper of the Hindustan Times group. I'd like to come for this sit-down if not to talk to all of you for a potential column or story, for the beer. :) Am likely in Bangalore 17-19 (Mon-Wed) Dec. Let me know if it happens. Thanks,

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Bharath Chari wrote: Shiv, Come on - I am sure we will let you go back home before the 18th or thereabouts. This was planned at my place on the 17th :-) OK, I give. Let's do it on the 17th at your place. Who else is in? Udhay

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Bharath Chari
If no one else is game, then we will have 2/3rd of the (statistically invalid) original eyeballs. On par for an Internet business, what say? Bharath Udhay Shankar N wrote: Bharath Chari wrote: Shiv, Come on - I am sure we will let you go back home before the 18th or thereabouts. This was

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 9:12 pm, Udhay Shankar N wrote: OK, I give. Let's do it on the 17th at your place. Who else is in? Udhay You'll have to show me Bharath's place shiv

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Udhay Shankar N wrote: OK, I give. Let's do it on the 17th at your place. Who else is in? I'm in for the 17th. Where is Bharath's place?

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Gautam John
I'm in as well for the 17th.

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Bharath Chari
http://chari.arachnis.com. Click on Location. Bharath Gautam John wrote: I'm in as well for the 17th.

Re: [silk] Dec 12, 13, 14: Technology, Governance, Citizenship meet, Bangalore

2007-12-10 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Dinesh, Thanks for letting us know. I will probably attend on the 14th. I assume quite a bit of Open Source is being used and will be used going forward in governance. Venkat Dinesh, Servelots wrote: Technology, Governance and Citizenship 12th, 13th and 14th December, 2007 Indian Institute

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:52 pm, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: Or counted Indian Christian women as Hindus without bindis... since   it's hard to tell them apart by face alone. Indian Christians are few and far between but but wearing a bindi is not a problem for Indian Christian women. In fact

Re: [silk] Wikipedia

2007-12-10 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On 11-Dec-07, at 9:49 AM, shiv sastry wrote: A survey of that variability would probably throw up some interesting results. but hey it doesn't pay to be a sociologist in India. So you're saying that you're too cheap to get a real survey done, but expect to be taken seriously on facts you

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Ramakrishna Reddy
On Dec 10, 2007 9:12 PM, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bharath Chari wrote: Shiv, Come on - I am sure we will let you go back home before the 18th or thereabouts. This was planned at my place on the 17th :-) OK, I give. Let's do it on the 17th at your place. Who else is in?

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

2007-12-10 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Dec 11, 2007 1:08 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm In, if its on the 17th, I'll be leaving to Pune on the 18th morning. So 17th is confirmed right ? Looks like it - I spoke to Bharath, our host, and he seems to be on. :) Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com))