Re: [silk] In praise of slowness
This post touched a nerve. Here's my experience - I used to be an investment banker and corporate strategy (or stragedy, if you like) person. Pursuant to a showdown with the boss, I took a break in late 2011. Here's how I spent my time (or, as Terry Pratchett once wrote, "What I did in my holidays") 1. Worked with an interior decorator, 3 teams of carpenters, 2 teams of painters, masons, plumbers and sundry vendors to get my new home ready. Project completed within budget in 4 months from start to finish (including my better half exercising her veto right). 2. Studied piano. Played 3 piano concerts (as part of a group of pianists) at St. Andrews Auditorium in Mumbai (with a proper audience, before you ask). Also played a father-son concert with my older son. 3. Learnt how to read and write music. Used that to transcribe specific songs that I've always liked - this led to interesting experiments in arranging alternative approaches to songs, such as different tempi, bass lines, flourishes at various places in the score... Also ended up composing a few pieces for piano. 4. Built out book and music collection - both of which now stand at numbers that have my father speculating about my needing a bigger home...(shades of Chief Brody from Jaws here) 5. Improved my skills in the kitchen to the extent that my boys like to compare restaurant fare (particularly Indian Italian or Indian Chinese) with what I dish out at home once a week. 6. Contributed questions to quizzes being conducted around India. If nothing else, this had the salutary effect of "reactivating disused neural pathways". It also considerably expanded my circle of friends, as investment banking was not the kind of profession that put me in touch with the people I was happy knowing. Also caught up on movie watching with a vengeance - I really miss TNT, but found a parlor near my home that could get me classic DVD's with enough notice. Now I just try looking for them online. While all of this was happening, I co-founded a startup and joined another as employee number 1 (after the founders). I found that I could manage my time a whole lot better since I was boss-junior combined. But there was a whole lot more to be done, which of course had to be done pretty much solo. I ended up getting rather jaded with the whole startup exercise, as we ended up pushing all our internal accruals into the business and took just enough salary to cover our mortgages. Finally, late last year, I got out of both companies, and got back into a mature corporate job (yes, I got back into investment banking). On the minus side, I've lost 5 years in my career. Logic suggests that this should not be such a drag, given that I now have a life outside work that has plenty to occupy my time. However, I do admit to feeling a sense of loss when I look at my former colleagues, many of whom are considerably advanced and senior in their career paths. This, I keep telling myself, is an all-too-human reaction. Quite a few executive search professionals I met looked rather pityingly at me during my recent job-searching days. I don't think Indian companies like people who take breaks like these, writing them off as has-beens. My advise to my new team-mates, all of whom are at least 10 years junior to me, has been to get some hobbies outside work to occupy their minds. They obviously look at me as if I'm not quite right in the head. I'm not sure I went through a slowdown in the sense you describe it. I think it was more a different path, with new skills learnt. My parents say I'm better off having taken it. As I talk to colleagues and potential clients to share my experiences, I see them look at me with something bordering puzzlement. On the other hand, I am bum chums with my sons, aged 11 and 9. My wife was able to get back to corporate life and a full-time job, as a result of my break, She says she didn't quite enjoy being the dominant wage earner of the family for the last 5 years. Interestingly, now that the pressure is off her, she shows little sign of taking her foot off the gas. Which, I think, may be more to do with her fear that I might be a colossal ass again :-) Rajeev On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Venkatesh Hariharanwrote: > I am going through a transition into a slower pace of life. Knowing the > eclectic nature of this list, I wanted to hear from others who have "been > there, done that." After years in the corporate world, I decided to quit > the fast paced life anf become a consultant. My goal was to have more > control over my time, but somehow I found myself living an equally busy > life. > > I am now thinking of cutting down my consulting assignments and decisively > slowing down my life, to stop hopping from one task to the other like a > maniac, and to relish reading books and watching plays, and the company of > friends. To those who are ahead of me in this ambitious path, my question > is, "What do you.love the most about living a
Re: [silk] In praise of slowness
I slowed down on 31 March 2011. I used to work for an FM Radio station in Mumbai (having been transfered there from the Bangalore station) and I had swiftly moved up the organizational hierarchy from being an on-air presenter (or RJ) to being creative supervisor, assistant program director to finally program director. Between getting John Abraham's tuna sandwich from the Hyatt, to planning station specials, gate keeping commercial integrations into programming, and keeping abreast of Bollywood, I had very little time. And that wasn't going to be enough for the kind of father i wanted to be. So, within 3 months of knowing about the impending arrival of my first child (a boy, I would discover later) I quit, took a 20% pay cut and started working from home for a large IT company. Not having a 3 hour commute everyday, working in a team with a culture of trust and collaboration, and not possessing a tv, means that I have time for a lot of things like working out, cooking, free play with my children, arbitrarily taking a 2 hour (one way) bus journey to a neighboring state because my son's 5 year old brain felt like doing that one day, and just existing very mindfully at a relaxed pace. On the topic of removing clutter in an effort to work intensely but impactfully, I would highly recommend Deep Work, by Cal Newport. It's a superb resource for anyone wanting to 'slow down' in a less-headless-chicken-work way rather than a three-beers-everyday-by-noon way. PS - Really appreciate everyone's thoughts on this. It's given me a few new directions to think in...
Re: [silk] In praise of slowness
"Slowing down" - the phase in life when making money is not the priority anymore and there is the intention to expand to other interests that have been at best side projects, so that they get focus. It seems that the more i read the viewpoints, unless and if there is a) a significant windfall that money isnt a big concern anymore or b) you make the financial planning so that there is an insurance of sorts so that something doesnt take you unaware - worse put your dependents ar risk, this is a hard one to pull off. I often mind myself going back to a bookmarked linked of self-sustainable farms. An acre or two of land, grow what you want and get away from the race of making your monthly commitments, seems like a dream. BUT... 1. Any self sufficient farm thingerie is a lot of upfront capital - to cure the land, and setup things needed for substanence - food, water, electricity. 2. Given the scenario with the government where the apt definition is "revolutionary governance", and what holds value, suddenly goes out of it and land reform policies might be on the horizon, i wonder if any of the planning we do would be free of risks. 3. All said and done, to keep up with inflation we need an asset that goes up in value and creates liquidity over time, as agri for eg will never be a commercially successful enterprise (atleast at that scale). And building assets right now, take a lifetime in India. Vijay On Jan 24, 2017 10:54 AM, "Venkatesh H R"wrote: > It is a terrific experience reading all your thoughts. To me, it appears > that > most people, when talking about slowing down, are just referring to > removing > clutter from their lives. It doesn't mean they are actually slowing down. > Indeed, in some respects they might be working harder on a few aspects of > their > life than ever before! Of course, there is a good chance I'm mistaken in > this > assumption. > For what it's worth, I too am slowing down in my own way. 2012 was the > last time > we had TV at home. And this year, I'm planning to cut down significantly on > Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and LinkedIn. There is a dynamic tension to > this, > because I depend on social media to distribute my work and listen to > others. So > I will still use these - but not on my mobile phone. For me, this is > equivalent > to slowing down. I've just been reading Deep Work by Cal Newport, the > Georgetown > Uni Computer Science Professor. And he is in praise of some radical > retooling of > our calendars and priorities. > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 12:16 AM, Venkatesh Hariharan ven...@gmail.com > wrote: > John, thanks for your hones answers. It's been enlightening to read all the > > answers. Charles, I hope to be as disciplined as you, one day. > > > > > One of the biggest tensions in my life has been between the activist in me, > > who wants to change the world, and the recluse in me, who wants to run away > > from the world. Currently, I work with a non profit working on financial > > inclusion (www.ispirt.in & www.productnation.in). I have other consulting > > gigs but the iSPIRT one has been most intense and has pretty much taken > > over my calendar. I like the fact that this work contributes to a good > > cause, but there are moments when I crave intense solitude. I never liked > > multi-tasking and doing too many things at the same time. I stopped > > watching TV many, many years ago... try not to spend too much time on > > Twitter and Facebook... and thoroughly hate the always-on online lifestyle. > > With age, I have realized that time is not money. Time is precious and we > > choose to exchange it for those things that we value the most, whether > > that be taking care of our health, a walk in the park, meeting loved ones, > > or reading a book. I find that there is great joy in doing things slowly, > > meditatively... However, my working life has all been about cramming as > > much as possible into every minute available, and doing a hundred things at > > once... not complaining, but just making an observation... after all, it is > > those jobs that gave me a degree of financial independence. For a change, I > > want my life to be not always about efficiency, but also about beauty and > > the joy of each moment. Let's see how this works out :-) > > > > > Venky > > > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Radhika, Y. wrote: > > > > > > Thank you so much for your honesty John. Other accounts for slowing down > > > always sound like they come from wherever lotuses grow (supposedly that > is > > > where Vancouverites live!). > > > > > > best wishes. > > > Radhika > > > > > > > > > > H R VenkateshTow-Knight Fellow 2016, New YorkCo-ordinator, Hacks/Hackers > New > Delhi > Ph: +1 646-874-9924Twitter: @hrvenkatesh >
Re: [silk] In praise of slowness
It is a terrific experience reading all your thoughts. To me, it appears that most people, when talking about slowing down, are just referring to removing clutter from their lives. It doesn't mean they are actually slowing down. Indeed, in some respects they might be working harder on a few aspects of their life than ever before! Of course, there is a good chance I'm mistaken in this assumption. For what it's worth, I too am slowing down in my own way. 2012 was the last time we had TV at home. And this year, I'm planning to cut down significantly on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and LinkedIn. There is a dynamic tension to this, because I depend on social media to distribute my work and listen to others. So I will still use these - but not on my mobile phone. For me, this is equivalent to slowing down. I've just been reading Deep Work by Cal Newport, the Georgetown Uni Computer Science Professor. And he is in praise of some radical retooling of our calendars and priorities. On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 12:16 AM, Venkatesh Hariharan ven...@gmail.com wrote: John, thanks for your hones answers. It's been enlightening to read all the answers. Charles, I hope to be as disciplined as you, one day. One of the biggest tensions in my life has been between the activist in me, who wants to change the world, and the recluse in me, who wants to run away from the world. Currently, I work with a non profit working on financial inclusion (www.ispirt.in & www.productnation.in). I have other consulting gigs but the iSPIRT one has been most intense and has pretty much taken over my calendar. I like the fact that this work contributes to a good cause, but there are moments when I crave intense solitude. I never liked multi-tasking and doing too many things at the same time. I stopped watching TV many, many years ago... try not to spend too much time on Twitter and Facebook... and thoroughly hate the always-on online lifestyle. With age, I have realized that time is not money. Time is precious and we choose to exchange it for those things that we value the most, whether that be taking care of our health, a walk in the park, meeting loved ones, or reading a book. I find that there is great joy in doing things slowly, meditatively... However, my working life has all been about cramming as much as possible into every minute available, and doing a hundred things at once... not complaining, but just making an observation... after all, it is those jobs that gave me a degree of financial independence. For a change, I want my life to be not always about efficiency, but also about beauty and the joy of each moment. Let's see how this works out :-) Venky On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Radhika, Y.wrote: > Thank you so much for your honesty John. Other accounts for slowing down > always sound like they come from wherever lotuses grow (supposedly that is > where Vancouverites live!). > > best wishes. > Radhika > H R VenkateshTow-Knight Fellow 2016, New YorkCo-ordinator, Hacks/Hackers New Delhi Ph: +1 646-874-9924Twitter: @hrvenkatesh
Re: [silk] On popular protests, jallikattu and twitter revolutions
The government had the right idea at the end of the day, bringing a high court judge over to explain the ordinance which had already been brought and how it actually was as close to the "permanent solution" the crowd was asking for as was feasible. They should have brought him in much earlier in the day. --srs > On 24-Jan-2017, at 8:04 AM, Srini RamaKrishnanwrote: > > First some background to what happened: Jallikattu is a popular rural sport > in Tamil Nadu that involves young men chasing fearsome bulls with sharpened > horns through narrow allies and mounting them bare handed. It's an > exciting, yet brutal (on the player more than the animal usually) sport for > the rural youth. Since the last 10 days or so there has been a growing > state wide youth protest fuelled almost entirely by social media, over the > recent Supreme court's decision to ban Jallikattu on grounds of animal > cruelty. It was popularly seen as an attack on Tamil culture - it is no > secret xenophobia, racism and tribal identity gather crowds like nothing > else. > > Yesterday the protests turned violent and there were several incidents of > violence reported that ended in police resorting to firing their guns. It's > unclear who started the violence but there are certainly several social > media videos of professional political goons and most surprisingly to many, > the police in uniform indulging in vandalism and wanton violence. > > Search #ShameonTNPolice and / or #JallikattuForever on twitter for the > videos and reports. > > There has been a lot of soul searching and confusion over how a protest > that won much praise for its democratic and peaceful nature could turn > violent so quickly. There's also been some chest thumping on the power of > social media - which reminded me of the last time I saw it, during Arab > Spring when I was still with Google, when everyone was toasting to a new > possibility. We all know how Arab spring turned out. > > I have never believed in popular revolutions alone bringing change - if the > sense of injustice that powers revolutions are like seeds, they can't do > much to grow justice without the sunshine, fertile soil and water, i.e. > journalism + courts, the political climate and economic climate > respectively. > > None of what I am about to say excuses the actions of the police yesterday, > or the inept manner in which the TN government and bureaucracy handled the > protests. > > We can't change human nature, or the greed of politicians and opportunists, > or the natural human tendency of many to turn angry and violent when > there's injustice. A seasoned government would have taken this into account > and stepped in on day one and dispersed the agitators, amid accusations of > being undemocratic, and at the same time followed up with Delhi and > delivered results that pleased the crowd. Instead, the incumbent government > allowed a fringe problem (jallikattu is a sport most haven't witnessed, > including a huge majority of those protesting) to grow into a mass > movement. Like a dumpster fire people began throwing everything that burned > - every problem, grouse and injustice was attached to it. In India there is > no shortage of such complaints. > > As a result the crowd had become emotionally invested over disparate > reasons not even remotely connected to the conduct of jalllikattu like > ending corruption, poverty, and crime, and a visceral hatred of > politicians, MNCs and distrust of every power centre and ruling clas, > including hidden hands. > > Consequently most of the crowd wouldn't disperse even when a political and > legal solution to lift the ban on jallikattu had been reached. The end of > the ban wasn't good enough for the vast majority who still saw injustice > everywhere. > > Regardless of the undeniable possibility of incitement of violence by > opposition goons, and police, sadly, the rest that followed is pretty > predictable. > > Present day Indian police are trained in the same Orwellian manner that the > British Raj used to train its police. During riots police are trained to > cause property damage even before controlling the crowds, in order to show > proof that they were justified in resorting to violence. The courts won't > grant firing permission, or allow lathi charges unless the police can prove > the situation had got out of hand and turned into a life threatening > situation. Further, anyone they jail can be punished or intimidated > severely only if the property damage is in the lakhs and crores. > > It is no secret that we have a poor democracy in India that borders on > fascism, and this is for the same reason that we still sell cars in this > country without airbags - it'd be unaffordably expensive otherwise. > > Safety and security isn't cheap. Justice, courts and police aren't free. > > In a poor country there are always more problems than solutions. When > unfairness is plentiful and fairness rare, maintaining
[silk] On popular protests, jallikattu and twitter revolutions
First some background to what happened: Jallikattu is a popular rural sport in Tamil Nadu that involves young men chasing fearsome bulls with sharpened horns through narrow allies and mounting them bare handed. It's an exciting, yet brutal (on the player more than the animal usually) sport for the rural youth. Since the last 10 days or so there has been a growing state wide youth protest fuelled almost entirely by social media, over the recent Supreme court's decision to ban Jallikattu on grounds of animal cruelty. It was popularly seen as an attack on Tamil culture - it is no secret xenophobia, racism and tribal identity gather crowds like nothing else. Yesterday the protests turned violent and there were several incidents of violence reported that ended in police resorting to firing their guns. It's unclear who started the violence but there are certainly several social media videos of professional political goons and most surprisingly to many, the police in uniform indulging in vandalism and wanton violence. Search #ShameonTNPolice and / or #JallikattuForever on twitter for the videos and reports. There has been a lot of soul searching and confusion over how a protest that won much praise for its democratic and peaceful nature could turn violent so quickly. There's also been some chest thumping on the power of social media - which reminded me of the last time I saw it, during Arab Spring when I was still with Google, when everyone was toasting to a new possibility. We all know how Arab spring turned out. I have never believed in popular revolutions alone bringing change - if the sense of injustice that powers revolutions are like seeds, they can't do much to grow justice without the sunshine, fertile soil and water, i.e. journalism + courts, the political climate and economic climate respectively. None of what I am about to say excuses the actions of the police yesterday, or the inept manner in which the TN government and bureaucracy handled the protests. We can't change human nature, or the greed of politicians and opportunists, or the natural human tendency of many to turn angry and violent when there's injustice. A seasoned government would have taken this into account and stepped in on day one and dispersed the agitators, amid accusations of being undemocratic, and at the same time followed up with Delhi and delivered results that pleased the crowd. Instead, the incumbent government allowed a fringe problem (jallikattu is a sport most haven't witnessed, including a huge majority of those protesting) to grow into a mass movement. Like a dumpster fire people began throwing everything that burned - every problem, grouse and injustice was attached to it. In India there is no shortage of such complaints. As a result the crowd had become emotionally invested over disparate reasons not even remotely connected to the conduct of jalllikattu like ending corruption, poverty, and crime, and a visceral hatred of politicians, MNCs and distrust of every power centre and ruling clas, including hidden hands. Consequently most of the crowd wouldn't disperse even when a political and legal solution to lift the ban on jallikattu had been reached. The end of the ban wasn't good enough for the vast majority who still saw injustice everywhere. Regardless of the undeniable possibility of incitement of violence by opposition goons, and police, sadly, the rest that followed is pretty predictable. Present day Indian police are trained in the same Orwellian manner that the British Raj used to train its police. During riots police are trained to cause property damage even before controlling the crowds, in order to show proof that they were justified in resorting to violence. The courts won't grant firing permission, or allow lathi charges unless the police can prove the situation had got out of hand and turned into a life threatening situation. Further, anyone they jail can be punished or intimidated severely only if the property damage is in the lakhs and crores. It is no secret that we have a poor democracy in India that borders on fascism, and this is for the same reason that we still sell cars in this country without airbags - it'd be unaffordably expensive otherwise. Safety and security isn't cheap. Justice, courts and police aren't free. In a poor country there are always more problems than solutions. When unfairness is plentiful and fairness rare, maintaining law and order is achieved almost always through questionable tactics, because the police, courts and the system will have no answer to a majority of legitimate demands raised in the letter and spirit of the law. A takeway from Foucault's "Discipline and Punish" is its examination of how punishment in Europe evolved from physical torture like drawing and quatering, where the victim is pulled by his 4 limbs in 4 directions by 4-8 horses to "civilized" mental torture like incarceration only when the European rulers had the wealth to afford large prisons
Re: [silk] In praise of slowness
John, thanks for your hones answers. It's been enlightening to read all the answers. Charles, I hope to be as disciplined as you, one day. One of the biggest tensions in my life has been between the activist in me, who wants to change the world, and the recluse in me, who wants to run away from the world. Currently, I work with a non profit working on financial inclusion (www.ispirt.in & www.productnation.in). I have other consulting gigs but the iSPIRT one has been most intense and has pretty much taken over my calendar. I like the fact that this work contributes to a good cause, but there are moments when I crave intense solitude. I never liked multi-tasking and doing too many things at the same time. I stopped watching TV many, many years ago... try not to spend too much time on Twitter and Facebook... and thoroughly hate the always-on online lifestyle. With age, I have realized that time is not money. Time is precious and we choose to exchange it for those things that we value the most, whether that be taking care of our health, a walk in the park, meeting loved ones, or reading a book. I find that there is great joy in doing things slowly, meditatively... However, my working life has all been about cramming as much as possible into every minute available, and doing a hundred things at once... not complaining, but just making an observation... after all, it is those jobs that gave me a degree of financial independence. For a change, I want my life to be not always about efficiency, but also about beauty and the joy of each moment. Let's see how this works out :-) Venky On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Radhika, Y.wrote: > Thank you so much for your honesty John. Other accounts for slowing down > always sound like they come from wherever lotuses grow (supposedly that is > where Vancouverites live!). > > best wishes. > Radhika >
Re: [silk] In praise of slowness
Thank you so much for your honesty John. Other accounts for slowing down always sound like they come from wherever lotuses grow (supposedly that is where Vancouverites live!). best wishes. Radhika
Re: [silk] In praise of slowness
Your goals sound similar to mine, I too stopped working as a full time salaried employee and became a consultant. That does give you control over your time, and allows you to slow down your life, but only if you commit yourself to that. It's all too easy to let clients soak up all of your time. I've found I have to set firm boundaries both in my own mind, and explicitly with my clients. As an example, for the last few years I've not worked Mondays. I make it clear to myself and my clients that Mondays are for doing those things I wouldn't have time for otherwise - reading books, watching plays, visiting with friends (or in my case, working on little hardware projects that bring me joy but aren't for a client.) The hardest thing for me was becoming more comfortable in enforcing that limit, and saying "no" to clients. "I'm sorry I can't come to that meeting, I don't work Mondays." I've learned you don't have to give an explanation, just "I don't work Mondays." Smile, and if they ask why I just say "I only work four days a week." And I keep strict "work hours" as well. I set aside time for reading, for cooking, for doing ceramics, the things I know give me pleasure and energize me. The best part of slowing down is making more space in my life for the things I love most. Stepping back and taking a clear-eyed look at those things and those people that I actually enjoy, and not paying so much attention to the things I think I'm *supposed* to enjoy. Mostly what slowing down has allowed me to do is to *stop* doing things. Things that don't give back joy or energy in proportion to the time they take. So I just spent three weeks in Tasmania, in a campervan. Each morning we'd decide where we wanted to go (within at most 2 hours of driving) and then go there. Set up camp, and just be wherever we were. It was glorious. Tasmania is incredibly beautiful, and it can feel almost uninhabited. -- Charles On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 at 16:32 Venkatwrote: > > > On 23/01/17 10:49 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Venkatesh Hariharan > > wrote: > > > > "What do you.love the most about living a slower life?" > > > > > > To be able to do things on the spur of the moment. This is more a goal > > than an achievement at this point, but still. > > > > Oh, and naps. One of the great pleasures of life and a criminally > > underrated productivity enhancer. > And travel. Although I would not call mine a slow life, I took off for > Kabini on a whim last Tuesday and spent a few days there. But I am > gainfully employed with some freedom. > > -- > > Cheers, > Venkat > > >
Re: [silk] Gaurav Vaz - Introduction
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 8:39 AM Ramakrishna Reddywrote: > On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Gaurav Vaz wrote: > > > Hi Everyone! > > > > I finally managed to join this amazing group after years of hearing and > > reading about it. Thanks a lot Udhay for the invitation :) > > > > Welcome to Silk, Unlurking myself. Proud to have known you buddy, > right from the chaddi days in vyalikaval. > > > Welcome! For some reason, I thought you were already here. Cheers! Aanjhan