Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-31 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
On 31/10/2007, Binand Sethumadhavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is unlocking a mobile phone illegal in India? I don't think it is in Europe - there are several stores that do it for a small fee. And I remember reading that the DMCA specifically excludes unlocking mobile phones from its ambit.

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-31 Thread Badri Natarajan
I don't know if it is illegal, but it's common, very, very common, in Madras. Students who go to the US, software types, business folks all bring back a nice phone, and get it unlocked. There's a place called Ritchie's street here which is like a wholesale+grey market for electronics and

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-31 Thread Gautam John
On 10/31/07, Badri Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see how the DMCA would apply - it prevents circumvention of technological measures intended to protect copyright. What copyright is protected by a locked phone? (I don't know of a specific DMCA exemption for phones, but it might

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-31 Thread ashok _
On 10/31/07, Gautam John wrote: The provision likely to be of most interest to consumers is the one allowing cell phones to be unlocked and used on other networks. The Copyright Office allowed this exception because the software that prohibits users from accessing their phone's firmware has

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-31 Thread Gautam John
On 10/31/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know in some countries its illegal to sell region-free DVD players... wouldnt the same legal interpretation apply for DVD players ? I'm not entirely sure but the illegality there might be in terms of a breach of the licensing terms with the DVD

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-31 Thread Binand Sethumadhavan
On 31/10/2007, Badri Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see how the DMCA would apply - it prevents circumvention of technological measures intended to protect copyright. What copyright is protected by a locked phone? (I don't know of a specific DMCA exemption for phones, but it might

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-31 Thread shiv sastry
On Wednesday 31 Oct 2007 11:35 am, Binand Sethumadhavan wrote: On 31/10/2007, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact I believe that in India and in countries where the rule of law is a gleam in some reformer's eye, large corporations such as Citibank actually employ small time crooks

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread Venky TV
On 10/29/07, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the iPhone wave will hit India as powerfully as it invaded the US. Indian carriers unlike their US counterparts probably won't bend over backwards to accomodate the iPhone. This seems like a remarkably low-key launch, but I

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread Venky TV
On 10/30/07, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2007 5:44 PM, Venky TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] http://www.deals4all.net/citinew/apple%20i%20phone.html Took me quite by surprise. I was not expecting it here until mid-2008. Interesting, the ones in my workplace

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread Venky TV
On 10/30/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you look at the wording on the pamphlet carefully please? I recall seeing a weasel word/phrase. Something such as get ready for the iPhone or some such.. Doesn't seem to be the case here. I called them up yesterday. They are taking

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread Neha Viswanathan
Doesn't seem to be the case here. I called them up yesterday. They are taking orders for it right now and promising to deliver in 15 days! Something does seem rotten here. Can't figure out what. You can apparently also buy the iphone on Rediff Shopping.

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread Venky TV
On 10/30/07, Neha Viswanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can apparently also buy the iphone on Rediff Shopping. http://shop.rediff.com/shop/searchv3_gall.jsp?shop=AllQuery=iphoneSearch=Search Ah, ok! This clarifies matter somewhat. A bunch of small time operators selling hacked iPhones.

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
You can apparently also buy the iphone on Rediff Shopping. http://shop.rediff.com/shop/searchv3_gall.jsp?shop=AllQuery=iphoneSea rch=Search Somebody want to call Citibank (someone senior in Citibank) verify whether the offer is genuine?

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread shiv sastry
On Monday 29 Oct 2007 11:49 am, Gautam John wrote: If only they'd enable EDGE or some such. What's EDGE? I am presuming that it has nothing to do with the sharp end of a Motorazr. shiv

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 30 Oct 2007 6:51 pm, Venky TV wrote: Ah, ok!  This clarifies matter somewhat.  A bunch of small time operators selling hacked iPhones.  This is bound to be illegal.  Still amazed that something like this made it into Citibank's offers to its cardmembers! Is there a presumption here

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread Udhay Shankar N
shiv sastry wrote: [ on 09:22 PM 10/30/2007 ] What's EDGE? http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/edge/index.shtml -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread Udhay Shankar N
shiv sastry wrote: [ on 09:23 PM 10/30/2007 ] operators selling hacked iPhones. This is bound to be illegal. Still amazed that something like this made it into Citibank's offers to its cardmembers! Is there a presumption here that Citibank's activities are all above board? The

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread Venky TV
On 10/30/07, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shiv sastry wrote: [ on 09:23 PM 10/30/2007 ] operators selling hacked iPhones. This is bound to be illegal. Still amazed that something like this made it into Citibank's offers to its cardmembers! Is there a presumption here

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread shiv sastry
In fact I believe that in India and in countries where the rule of law is a gleam in some reformer's eye, large corporations such as Citibank actually employ small time crooks to implement at least some of their policies and help ensure that their bottom-lines stay healthy and their meter keeps

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread Venky TV
On 10/31/07, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact I believe that in India and in countries where the rule of law is a gleam in some reformer's eye, large corporations such as Citibank actually employ small time crooks to implement at least some of their policies and help ensure that

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread Binand Sethumadhavan
On 30/10/2007, Venky TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, ok! This clarifies matter somewhat. A bunch of small time operators selling hacked iPhones. This is bound to be illegal. Still Is unlocking a mobile phone illegal in India? I don't think it is in Europe - there are several stores that do

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-30 Thread Binand Sethumadhavan
On 31/10/2007, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact I believe that in India and in countries where the rule of law is a gleam in some reformer's eye, large corporations such as Citibank actually employ small time crooks to implement at least some of their policies and help ensure that

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-29 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On 29-Oct-07, at 12:33 PM, Gautam John wrote: And if the Hutch network is EDGE enabled, then the speeds are even worse than I imagined. I get between 0.50 kB/s to a (rare) max of 5.3 kB/s... It's not much better on Airtel EDGE. 1.5 - 3.0 kB/s is the norm. The network and handset are

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-29 Thread Gautam John
On 10/29/07, Kiran Jonnalagadda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure I understand. Airtel has EDGE coverage nearly* everywhere, and I suspect Hutch does too. The networks are already there. Of what I understand from Hutch, which is what I use, EDGE is enabled only when using their TV service or

Re: [silk] A Wireless Revolution in India

2007-10-29 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On 10/29/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/29/07, Kiran Jonnalagadda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not much better on Airtel EDGE. 1.5 - 3.0 kB/s is the norm. The network and handset are technically capable (EDGE multislot class 10) of over 10 kB/s. Oh. In which case, why?