So how can the supermarket possibly sell a pair of
these synthetic cream-filled pseudocakes for less than a bunch of
roots?
For the answer, you need look no farther than the
farm bill.
this makes no sense at all. farm subsidies are distorting, but the
reason it's cheaper to sell
Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote [at 01:22 PM 4/25/2007] :
this is also why a fresh carrot is more expensive than a frozen one,
which is more expensive than a canned one;
This is not my experience, in any vegetable market I've seen.
Udhay
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In my experience, the other problem is also due to the fact that the
processed food industry essentially competes with human consumption
for the same raw material. Given this, processed fruit and vegetables
will always be more expensive than fresh. India also does not have
much of a processable
but wait... isn't Pollan's argument that without subsidies that
entire real transaction of Twinkies could be brought into a more
realistically market-driven line with that of carrots? Or, rather,
that if we subsidized vegetable growers instead (or no one at all) we
could produce market
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 08:25:56AM -0500, Christopher M. Kelty wrote:
Also, my understanding, though very limited of EU subsidies is that
they are primarily focused on small and medium size farms, not the
megafarms of the US... but that may be propaganda?
most definitely not; EU subsidies go
Fair enough: what you are arguing is that one standard method of cost
accounting explains why twinkies are cheaper. Other (non-standard?
economically suspect?) methods, like focusing only on production
costs, or including opportunity costs (all those carrots that were not
produced and sold
While agro subsidies in the US lead to
overproduction of corn and soy which in turn
leads to processed food based on the same, the
connection between relatively cheap processed
food and the obesity epidemic is tenuous.
First, processed food does not necessarily
decrease the cost of food overall.
But are Twinkies really cheaper when you factor in the cost to
society of poor health? There's a book making the rounds here in San
Francisco just now called GRUB written by the daughter of the Frances
Moore Lappe (who taught us in the 70s that vegetarianism is actually
better
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 08:55:13AM -0700, Danese Cooper wrote:
But are Twinkies really cheaper when you factor in the cost to
society of poor health?
ok, it depends on what you mean by cheaper :-)
i meant the retail price (which typically does _not_ include costs to society).
and when the
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 03:24:31PM +, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote:
the evil in current US and EU agricultural subsidies, as with most subsidies,
is that they favour industrialised agriculture and products that can come out
of industrialised agriculture. these happen to be cereal crops (or
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 01:31:03PM -0500, Christopher M. Kelty wrote:
easier to get where I live). I.e., if it is cheaper to make twinkies
than carrots it is because the ingredients for twinkies are all but
free today, and people spend their lives thinking up new ways to
twinkify everything,
On 4/25/07, Danese Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And to the earlier comment about raw carrots costing more than canned
or frozen...ABSOLUTELY this happens in rich countries where careful
farming methods (organic, biodynamic) produce pedigreed produce that
people are willing to pay more to
Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote: [ on 12:17 AM 4/26/2007 ]
which reminds me... the wonders of food processing technology mean
that most dried fruits are actually cranberries.
apparently they are very cheap to produce in bulk, last forever,
have a chewy dried-fruit texture and can be cheaply
Apple juice concentrate and grape juice concentrate are very commonly
used natural sweeteners. And legally speaking, jams with such
sweeteners are free to declare that they have no added sugar because
they haven't added any sugar as such.
Welcome to the weird world of food processing. You don't
On 24-Apr-07, at 10:35 AM, Abhishek Hazra wrote:
even his website is designed by spicy mangoes.
http://www.spicymango.com/index1.html
complete brand integration?
The filmstrip on that site is wonky -- it runs in the direction
opposite to what one would expect when mousing over -- and then
The filmstrip on that site is wonky
yeah. that site is nothing great.
by the way, have you seen your namesake's site?
http://www.geocities.com/antikiran/
deadpan, old, no frills design but stashed with goodies.
for example, the spinoza short story
http://www.geocities.com/antikiran/spinoza.htm
Michael Pollan [1] is back on his favourite
hobbyhorse [2]. Long, but well worth reflecting upon.
Udhay
[1] http://www.michaelpollan.com/
[2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silk-list/message/18961
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/magazine/22wwlnlede.t.html
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